Speculations Would Kuzan have been a good Fleet Admiral ?
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imo, he would be the best... i think all of the laziness he showed was because he didn't want to do anything that was against his belief, and if he was the FA, he would do everything to make the marine as the real justice
and i have a theory about kuzan actually won the duel against akainu, but gave akainu the FA title, so he can just be the leader of SWORD
pls share ur opinion bout this too
and i have a theory about kuzan actually won the duel against akainu, but gave akainu the FA title, so he can just be the leader of SWORD
pls share ur opinion bout this too
Does getting to view the gigantic OP world through Luffy's eyes cloud our judgment on how much wreckage pirates actually cause?
Not all are "good" like Luffy. On the other hand, Luffy isn't "good" from the WG's perspective since he's messing, albeit unknowingly, with the world's taboo secrets.
That's why Oda mentioned he'll never have Luffy preach about justice and so forth, since he's presenting multiple equally hypocritical/valid views on sovereignty and hegemony.
If Aokiji's lazy justice is lenient enough on Luffy/Robin like pirates, would it lead to more civilian casualties by not being lenient enough on Blackbeard/Kid like pirates?
Is Akainu's psuedo-theocratic view on Marines/Pirates actually preventing more chaos than Aokiji's philosophy would?
I'm participating with questions of my own since I honestly have no idea how it would play out, I think he'd implement his philosophy to its fullest, I'm just not sure how much "better" or "worse" it'll be given the complex relationships between the world's powers.
Not all are "good" like Luffy. On the other hand, Luffy isn't "good" from the WG's perspective since he's messing, albeit unknowingly, with the world's taboo secrets.
That's why Oda mentioned he'll never have Luffy preach about justice and so forth, since he's presenting multiple equally hypocritical/valid views on sovereignty and hegemony.
If Aokiji's lazy justice is lenient enough on Luffy/Robin like pirates, would it lead to more civilian casualties by not being lenient enough on Blackbeard/Kid like pirates?
Is Akainu's psuedo-theocratic view on Marines/Pirates actually preventing more chaos than Aokiji's philosophy would?
I'm participating with questions of my own since I honestly have no idea how it would play out, I think he'd implement his philosophy to its fullest, I'm just not sure how much "better" or "worse" it'll be given the complex relationships between the world's powers.
I genuinely think he would have been awful
While he would maintain the morality that Sengoku's Marines upheld, Kuzan would be too laissez-faire as a leader. The Marines would probably become a far more passive entity which is certainly not what the world needs
That being said, as a positive there would be a lot less tensions between the Marines and their employers - we saw how contentious Sakazuki is with the Gorosei; this likely damages the infrastructure of the WG fighting force and is certainly something you wouldn't get with the "lazy" justice of Aokiji
That being said, the only person in the Marines I can see being a good Fleet Admiral would be Fujitora. I don't consider Akainu to be an effective leader because he is too hardline. As a result, the Marines in turn seek out conflict rather than being peacekeepers.
Likewise, I dont consider Aokiji to be an effective leader because they may be too relaxed regarding Piracy and Politics
While he would maintain the morality that Sengoku's Marines upheld, Kuzan would be too laissez-faire as a leader. The Marines would probably become a far more passive entity which is certainly not what the world needs
That being said, as a positive there would be a lot less tensions between the Marines and their employers - we saw how contentious Sakazuki is with the Gorosei; this likely damages the infrastructure of the WG fighting force and is certainly something you wouldn't get with the "lazy" justice of Aokiji
That being said, the only person in the Marines I can see being a good Fleet Admiral would be Fujitora. I don't consider Akainu to be an effective leader because he is too hardline. As a result, the Marines in turn seek out conflict rather than being peacekeepers.
Likewise, I dont consider Aokiji to be an effective leader because they may be too relaxed regarding Piracy and Politics
He would have been far better than Akainu. Akainu is a hypocrite dirtbag that is just another example of somebody in power that shouldn’t be bear it. He views civilians and subordinates as stepping stones to justice. The guy is a murdered. Aokiji isn’t like that. He’d be a far better Fleet Admiral, will probably be the Fleet Admiral under Dragon’s new World Government at the end of the series.
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If he was more serious yes and I would expect that he would be more respected than Sakazuki. I mean people work for him but they would most likely prefer to take orders from Kuzan not him. He would also be very problematic for Gorosei I guess because he is the best choice from the OG Admirals when it comes to sparring people's lives and he wouldn't care that much about Fujitora's actions on Dressrosa and talk back to them more than Sakazuki does. Also if he was the FA then I would be 90% sure that SWORD would take over the Marines and try to convince more and more people to oppose the Celestial Dragons ( no they will not start rebellion but change the rules of how the things are done etc ).
we need to remember that he was a burning justice man.
- he was so burn so that he wouldn't let a single rat escape (e.g trace robin)
- he was so tactical to maximize who, where, and how of his every man...
But he got owned by his man personality then let robin.
I think sengoku mean that kuzan will lead by plan so not many sacrifices needed.
He is too lazy to brawl so there is an injury / sacrifice. He wants a lazy worthy plan that executed very well.
- he was so burn so that he wouldn't let a single rat escape (e.g trace robin)
- he was so tactical to maximize who, where, and how of his every man...
But he got owned by his man personality then let robin.
I think sengoku mean that kuzan will lead by plan so not many sacrifices needed.
He is too lazy to brawl so there is an injury / sacrifice. He wants a lazy worthy plan that executed very well.
Right now, there is not enough of a paper trail to believe one would be better than the other.
What exactly has Akainu been responsible for in the last 2 years?
That's one for Akainu (moves HQ to New World), one for Aokiji (gets along with New Admirals better), and the rest cannot be determined in a conclusive manner. Akainu gets the W because I'm not sure what Aokiji and Fujitora having respect for one another actually amounts to. At least Akainu is in a better position to send Admirals and Vice Admirals to check the movements of the Yonko, who are a major threat to the stablization of the world.
By the way, in all this I just assume Akainu disappears from the face of the planet should Aokiji become Fleet Admiral. He might remain a Marine, denying a spot to a good man like Fujitora or Ryokugyu. He might quit and become a Neo-Marine like Zephyr, chasing down pirates through vigilante justice. The world with Fleet Admiral Aokiji is decisively worse with a free Akainu running around not chained to a desk and enacting his justice across the world. So I just decided to ignore what happens to Akainu here to keep it fair.
What exactly has Akainu been responsible for in the last 2 years?
- Akainu moved HQ to the other side of the Red Line facing the New World.
- Akainu recruited Fujitora and Ryokugyu as new Admirals.
- Akainu sent Fujitora to manage the chaos in with Law and Doflamingo in Dressrosa.
- Akainu sent at least one Admiral (Ryokugyu) to be on guard at Reverie. Fujitora tagged along.
- Akainu has not sent any Marines to Wano
- Akainu has send forces to capture the Warlords after the Reverie disbanded the organization.
That's one for Akainu (moves HQ to New World), one for Aokiji (gets along with New Admirals better), and the rest cannot be determined in a conclusive manner. Akainu gets the W because I'm not sure what Aokiji and Fujitora having respect for one another actually amounts to. At least Akainu is in a better position to send Admirals and Vice Admirals to check the movements of the Yonko, who are a major threat to the stablization of the world.
By the way, in all this I just assume Akainu disappears from the face of the planet should Aokiji become Fleet Admiral. He might remain a Marine, denying a spot to a good man like Fujitora or Ryokugyu. He might quit and become a Neo-Marine like Zephyr, chasing down pirates through vigilante justice. The world with Fleet Admiral Aokiji is decisively worse with a free Akainu running around not chained to a desk and enacting his justice across the world. So I just decided to ignore what happens to Akainu here to keep it fair.
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Not necessarily, tho I don’t doubt that Kuzan would do a good job or didn’t want tha position. His main zeal and drive to fight Sakazuki for it. Could very well be cause....well Akainu is a madman and an extremist and is willing to KILL his own men to throw hands wit pirates. I’m not sure if that’s what’s best in a military organization
Under normal circumstances, he'd have been more ideal than Sakazuki. However, in the ever growing era of chaos, the Marines needed an aggressive arm. Someone who would put up a strong front against all the pirates emboldened by Newgate's last words.
We'll ultimately see if Sakazuki was the right choice, but at the time of choosing, he made sense for the government.
We'll ultimately see if Sakazuki was the right choice, but at the time of choosing, he made sense for the government.
