Questions & Mysteries Would Luffy still have the best of all 3 hakis in te crew by eos (final war)....
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Luffy and Zoro have filled out different CoA skill trees. Luffy maxed out the internal destruction tree whilst Zoro maxed out the weapon coating tree.
Zoro demonstrates greater control over his CoA, being able to intricately adjust its output whereas Luffy's CoA just seems like it's on or off. Luffy has a wider variety of techniques, e.g - I doubt Zoro could replicate the exploding neck brace feat.
Ultimately, due to his ability to control his output, Zoro can increase the potency of his CoA at will - so much so that his swords start smoking when on high release. This is different to Luffy who mostly just controls how much CoA he releases at once; for example, G4 doesn't increase the potency of Luffy's CoA, just its rate of use. Effectively, Luffy mainly increases volume whilst Zoro increases density.
Due to this, Zoro's CoA on max release is likely already stronger than Luffy's.
Zoro demonstrates greater control over his CoA, being able to intricately adjust its output whereas Luffy's CoA just seems like it's on or off. Luffy has a wider variety of techniques, e.g - I doubt Zoro could replicate the exploding neck brace feat.
Ultimately, due to his ability to control his output, Zoro can increase the potency of his CoA at will - so much so that his swords start smoking when on high release. This is different to Luffy who mostly just controls how much CoA he releases at once; for example, G4 doesn't increase the potency of Luffy's CoA, just its rate of use. Effectively, Luffy mainly increases volume whilst Zoro increases density.
Due to this, Zoro's CoA on max release is likely already stronger than Luffy's.
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Firstly , Making sword black blade is very rare event in one piece. Think about only just two people made this among so many great haki users. Zoro black blade event make me think zoro is the greater coa user.
Secondly , The most peak point for CoO will be mind reading at short time . Just a prediction. Even if you have FS , if your oppenent break the fs wall with speed , you cannot give reaction. We will see this reality between luffy and kaido battle. I think sanji can read mind in short time and it make sanji coo expert. Also , why did oda use for luffy this sentence : I need to learn so many things about CoO even though Luffy is greater coo user.
Firstly , Making sword black blade is very rare event in one piece. Think about only just two people made this among so many great haki users. Zoro black blade event make me think zoro is the greater coa user.
Secondly , The most peak point for CoO will be mind reading at short time . Just a prediction. Even if you have FS , if your oppenent break the fs wall with speed , you cannot give reaction. We will see this reality between luffy and kaido battle. I think sanji can read mind in short time and it make sanji coo expert. Also , why did oda use for luffy this sentence : I need to learn so many things about CoO even though Luffy is greater coo user.
Saying Zoro's just coating his weapon is like saying Luffy's just coating his fist. Luffy has internal destruction Haki, but Zoro's done things with CoA that neither Luffy nor Hyogoro for that matter have ever shown the ability to replicate.
Zoro created a CoA barrier large enough to divert Hakai. He can coat his swords in so much CoA that they begin steaming. There is nothing suggesting Luffy would be capable of doing either of these two, despite having internal destruction Haki. Nothing also suggests Luffy's CoA has gotten any stronger since round 1 on the rooftop, and there we have direct comparisons between Luffy and Zoro's CoA.
Luffy with Internal Destruction Haki + G4 was hitting Kaido with attacks left right and centre, BM never said a thing. Zoro with CoA that wasn't even on max release yet attacked Kaido and BM was screaming to dodge. Common sense dictates Zoro's attack was stronger than anything Luffy had used up until that point (Flying Dragon Blaze). Again, Zoro's CoA was not even on max release yet and bro was only using a single sword.
Therefore it's pretty obvious that Luffy isn't touching Zoro's CoA on max release. Zoro's CoA is outright stronger than Luffy's and has been for some time. Zoro is able to vastly increase the density of the CoA he outputs whereas Luffy can't to the same extent. For the most part, Luffy only increases his rate of use (G4). The difference b/w KOH and G4 steam is that G4 CoA is the same strength CoA Luffy always uses, he's just using up a shit ton at once. Meanwhile Zoro's max release CoA significantly increases his attack stength.
Case in point: A normal Snakeman punch without the G4 ability is the same as any other hardened punch from Luffy outside of G4. Meanwhile, the same slash from Zoro that would cut a tree would now cut a cliff if he uses more CoA - we literally saw this when he first used Enma. The way their CoA works is completely different and Zoro's is stronger because of it.
Zoro created a CoA barrier large enough to divert Hakai. He can coat his swords in so much CoA that they begin steaming. There is nothing suggesting Luffy would be capable of doing either of these two, despite having internal destruction Haki. Nothing also suggests Luffy's CoA has gotten any stronger since round 1 on the rooftop, and there we have direct comparisons between Luffy and Zoro's CoA.
Luffy with Internal Destruction Haki + G4 was hitting Kaido with attacks left right and centre, BM never said a thing. Zoro with CoA that wasn't even on max release yet attacked Kaido and BM was screaming to dodge. Common sense dictates Zoro's attack was stronger than anything Luffy had used up until that point (Flying Dragon Blaze). Again, Zoro's CoA was not even on max release yet and bro was only using a single sword.
Therefore it's pretty obvious that Luffy isn't touching Zoro's CoA on max release. Zoro's CoA is outright stronger than Luffy's and has been for some time. Zoro is able to vastly increase the density of the CoA he outputs whereas Luffy can't to the same extent. For the most part, Luffy only increases his rate of use (G4). The difference b/w KOH and G4 steam is that G4 CoA is the same strength CoA Luffy always uses, he's just using up a shit ton at once. Meanwhile Zoro's max release CoA significantly increases his attack stength.
Case in point: A normal Snakeman punch without the G4 ability is the same as any other hardened punch from Luffy outside of G4. Meanwhile, the same slash from Zoro that would cut a tree would now cut a cliff if he uses more CoA - we literally saw this when he first used Enma. The way their CoA works is completely different and Zoro's is stronger because of it.
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Sanji and Zoro will likely surpass Luffys CoO and CoA but Luffys CoC and if there is a haki related to the Will of D will keep the gap pretty substantial.
Sanji already has a better range and sensory observation haki than Luffy
Zoro already has a better flow and likely harder CoA than Luffy.
Luffy just knows how to use better techniques (Future Sight and Internal Destruction)
Sanji already has a better range and sensory observation haki than Luffy
Zoro already has a better flow and likely harder CoA than Luffy.
Luffy just knows how to use better techniques (Future Sight and Internal Destruction)
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Luffy will never be the best at everything unless Oda wants to flex it hard. To me you will be either more refined in using Haki or mastering your Devil Fruit powers.
The most balanced fighters are most likely Admirals.
Zoro and Sanji may surpass Luffy in CoA and CoO respectively. Zoro might bring up his A game with CoC but it is as clear as day that Oda will probably wank Luffy's CoC to the moon.
The most balanced fighters are most likely Admirals.
Zoro and Sanji may surpass Luffy in CoA and CoO respectively. Zoro might bring up his A game with CoC but it is as clear as day that Oda will probably wank Luffy's CoC to the moon.
Luffy will be better than Zoro in everything EOS, ACoC (Luffy's specialty), Advanced Armament (Ryouu) which Zoro will never get and we all know Zoro completely sucks with observation.
Sanji will surpass Luffy's Observation if he gets Future sight, he's already dodging FS users without it and has better sensing ability than Luffy.
Sanji will surpass Luffy's Observation if he gets Future sight, he's already dodging FS users without it and has better sensing ability than Luffy.
What when did Zoro use barrier haki to block hakai. He used his swords to block the attack. Did Jozu use barrier haki to block Mihawks slash at Whitebeard? You can't use your head canon to make Zoro look better. There is no such thing as different CoA skill trees. There is a single skill tree that - within actual manga facts- Zoro is inferior to Luffy in. Also, Big Mom told Kaido to duck because of the strange aura from Enma not because Zoro's haki was above Luffys. Also, Zoro went all out with both CoA and CoC and only managed to scar Kaido, impressive, but like Zoro himself said it couldn't even knock him to the ground. Luffys CoC and CoA was ringing Kaido's head in.
It is absolutely ludicrous to say that Zoro's CoA is better in any facet than Luffy's.
It is absolutely ludicrous to say that Zoro's CoA is better in any facet than Luffy's.
Jozu blocked a vertical slash of a much smaller size... Hakai was an island-level horizontal attack, Zoro jumped in to block and by the end we see the entire attack was diverted upwards - what on earth do you think happened?
Uhh BM literally says in the next page "you really underestimated him", meaning she was clearly acknowledging Zoro's strength as well as the sword within her earlier statement. Why compliment Zoro's strength if she was only worried about the sword? Furthermore, Enma doesn't give you magic powers; it only draws out the CoA you already have. Flying DB was implied to be above Luffy's AP at that time and all Zoro had was less than max release CoA being drawn from a single sword - incomparable to what he's capable of now.
Asura isn't even relevant to this discussion; the sheer fact that it involves CoC invalidates it from comparison with pre-1010 Luffy. So I'm not gonna get into the argument of how Asura compared to G4. All I know is that current Zoro's max release CoA is now levels above the Flying Dragon Blaze which BM was so worried about. Meanwhile, Luffy's CoA hasn't gotten any stronger featwise so it's incredibly clear that Zoro's CoA is stronger.
Uhh BM literally says in the next page "you really underestimated him", meaning she was clearly acknowledging Zoro's strength as well as the sword within her earlier statement. Why compliment Zoro's strength if she was only worried about the sword? Furthermore, Enma doesn't give you magic powers; it only draws out the CoA you already have. Flying DB was implied to be above Luffy's AP at that time and all Zoro had was less than max release CoA being drawn from a single sword - incomparable to what he's capable of now.
Asura isn't even relevant to this discussion; the sheer fact that it involves CoC invalidates it from comparison with pre-1010 Luffy. So I'm not gonna get into the argument of how Asura compared to G4. All I know is that current Zoro's max release CoA is now levels above the Flying Dragon Blaze which BM was so worried about. Meanwhile, Luffy's CoA hasn't gotten any stronger featwise so it's incredibly clear that Zoro's CoA is stronger.
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if balckblade is related to coa then zoro will perform better in armanent
he also has chances of being better in armanent rn cause of his overflowing armanent like @HeroesNZ said above
meanwhile sanji gotta do something with his observation haki
i dont think they will surpass luffy in coc tho , i mean sanji doesnt even have that .
he also has chances of being better in armanent rn cause of his overflowing armanent like @HeroesNZ said above
meanwhile sanji gotta do something with his observation haki
i dont think they will surpass luffy in coc tho , i mean sanji doesnt even have that .
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Whatever dude, if you are going to sit here and argue that Asura which Zoro put his all into including CoA had no effect on Kaido but a scar and that somehow relates to him having more CoA expertise than the guy whose CoA is explicitly stated without mental gymnastics to be higher than Zoro's then I'll leave you to it.
Whatever dude, if you are going to sit here and argue that Asura which Zoro put his all into including CoA had no effect on Kaido but a scar and that somehow relates to him having more CoA expertise than the guy whose CoA is explicitly stated without mental gymnastics to be higher than Zoro's then I'll leave you to it.
