Questions & Mysteries Would Luffy still have the best of all 3 hakis in te crew by eos (final war)....

#21
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Whatever dude, if you are going to sit here and argue that Asura which Zoro put his all into including CoA had no effect on Kaido but a scar and that somehow relates to him having more CoA expertise than the guy whose CoA is explicitly stated without mental gymnastics to be higher than Zoro's then I'll leave you to it.
See I can tell you didn't read my post cos I literally said I'm not talking about Asura at all. Idk where you got this from.

Luffy's CoA was never explicitly stated to be stronger than Zoro's, you're confusing technique with strength.

Jabra could walk around with Tekkai active - his Tekkai technique was the best among CP9. And yet Lucci's Tekkai was still by far the strongest; that's the difference between Luffy and Zoro's CoA.
 
#22
Saying Zoro's just coating his weapon is like saying Luffy's just coating his fist. Luffy has internal destruction Haki, but Zoro's done things with CoA that neither Luffy nor Hyogoro for that matter have ever shown the ability to replicate.

Zoro created a CoA barrier large enough to divert Hakai. He can coat his swords in so much CoA that they begin steaming. There is nothing suggesting Luffy would be capable of doing either of these two, despite having internal destruction Haki. Nothing also suggests Luffy's CoA has gotten any stronger since round 1 on the rooftop, and there we have direct comparisons between Luffy and Zoro's CoA.

Luffy with Internal Destruction Haki + G4 was hitting Kaido with attacks left right and centre, BM never said a thing. Zoro with CoA that wasn't even on max release yet attacked Kaido and BM was screaming to dodge. Common sense dictates Zoro's attack was stronger than anything Luffy had used up until that point (Flying Dragon Blaze). Again, Zoro's CoA was not even on max release yet and bro was only using a single sword.

Therefore it's pretty obvious that Luffy isn't touching Zoro's CoA on max release. Zoro's CoA is outright stronger than Luffy's and has been for some time. Zoro is able to vastly increase the density of the CoA he outputs whereas Luffy can't to the same extent. For the most part, Luffy only increases his rate of use (G4). The difference b/w KOH and G4 steam is that G4 CoA is the same strength CoA Luffy always uses, he's just using up a shit ton at once. Meanwhile Zoro's max release CoA significantly increases his attack stength.

Case in point: A normal Snakeman punch without the G4 ability is the same as any other hardened punch from Luffy outside of G4. Meanwhile, the same slash from Zoro that would cut a tree would now cut a cliff if he uses more CoA - we literally saw this when he first used Enma. The way their CoA works is completely different and Zoro's is stronger because of it.
Don't forget that Zoro tanks point blank explosion from King, which may suggest Full Body Armament, something Luffy hasn't shown.
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Imo Zoro will surely surpass Luffy in CoA. Sanji's CoO...not too sure about that, i hope Sanji does surpass Luffy's FS tho.
At least people can argue that Oda shown Sanji's CoO range is larger than Luffy.
 
#23
Saying Zoro's just coating his weapon is like saying Luffy's just coating his fist. Luffy has internal destruction Haki, but Zoro's done things with CoA that neither Luffy nor Hyogoro for that matter have ever shown the ability to replicate.

Zoro created a CoA barrier large enough to divert Hakai. He can coat his swords in so much CoA that they begin steaming. There is nothing suggesting Luffy would be capable of doing either of these two, despite having internal destruction Haki. Nothing also suggests Luffy's CoA has gotten any stronger since round 1 on the rooftop, and there we have direct comparisons between Luffy and Zoro's CoA.

Luffy with Internal Destruction Haki + G4 was hitting Kaido with attacks left right and centre, BM never said a thing. Zoro with CoA that wasn't even on max release yet attacked Kaido and BM was screaming to dodge. Common sense dictates Zoro's attack was stronger than anything Luffy had used up until that point (Flying Dragon Blaze). Again, Zoro's CoA was not even on max release yet and bro was only using a single sword.

Therefore it's pretty obvious that Luffy isn't touching Zoro's CoA on max release. Zoro's CoA is outright stronger than Luffy's and has been for some time. Zoro is able to vastly increase the density of the CoA he outputs whereas Luffy can't to the same extent. For the most part, Luffy only increases his rate of use (G4). The difference b/w KOH and G4 steam is that G4 CoA is the same strength CoA Luffy always uses, he's just using up a shit ton at once. Meanwhile Zoro's max release CoA significantly increases his attack stength.

Case in point: A normal Snakeman punch without the G4 ability is the same as any other hardened punch from Luffy outside of G4. Meanwhile, the same slash from Zoro that would cut a tree would now cut a cliff if he uses more CoA - we literally saw this when he first used Enma. The way their CoA works is completely different and Zoro's is stronger because of it.
Do not lie, Big Mom was shook when Luffy was usi g kong gattling against Kaido, so was kid.
 
#24
Zoro's already better than Luffy in CoA and CoC, he can cut through anything, he cuts something or someone once and he wins, Asura is willpower, show me Luffy's willpower manifestation. As for CoO, just look at all the times that Zoro saved Luffy in this arc. :cheers:
 
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#25
Zoro already better than Luffy in CoA and CoC, he can cut through anything, he cuts something or someone once and he wins, Asura is willpower, show me Luffy's willpower manifestation. As for CoO, just look at all the times that Zoro saved Luffy in this arc. :cheers:
Every single thing you have said has been wrong and is what toy wish to happen. Unfortunately for for you his feats do not back that up, and Oda ha snot done nor does he want that.

This is why he spend time on trashing Zoro throughout Wano, because of toxic Zoro fans like you.
 
#26
Every single thing you have said has been wrong and is what toy wish to happen. Unfortunately for for you his feats do not back that up, and Oda ha snot done nor does he want that.

This is why he spend time on trashing Zoro throughout Wano, because of toxic Zoro fans like you.
No haki Susanoo? :ronalugh:
 
#28
Do not lie, Big Mom was shook when Luffy was usi g kong gattling against Kaido, so was kid.
My words:
"Common sense dictates Zoro's attack was stronger than anything Luffy had used up until that point (Flying Dragon Blaze)"

Why are you quoting me talking about do not lie - where's the lie? Kong Gatling came after FDB so it's not included in my statement in the first place.

Secondly, FDB is not a high-end attack of Zoro's whilst Kong Gatling was literally Luffy's 2nd strongest attack. You comparing Gatling and FBD only further solidifies my argument.
 
#29
They will never be better than Luffy at anything Luffy has, suggesting otherwise at this point is to suggest that Luffy stagnates completely while they grow exponentially, something that is impossible.
Sanji wins In speed. This is a fact corroborated by a sbs which puts sanji>luffy. Don't speak in absolutes.
 
#30
Luffy and Zoro have filled out different CoA skill trees. Luffy maxed out the internal destruction tree whilst Zoro maxed out the weapon coating tree.

Zoro demonstrates greater control over his CoA, being able to intricately adjust its output whereas Luffy's CoA just seems like it's on or off. Luffy has a wider variety of techniques, e.g - I doubt Zoro could replicate the exploding neck brace feat.

Ultimately, due to his ability to control his output, Zoro can increase the potency of his CoA at will - so much so that his swords start smoking when on high release. This is different to Luffy who mostly just controls how much CoA he releases at once; for example, G4 doesn't increase the potency of Luffy's CoA, just its rate of use. Effectively, Luffy mainly increases volume whilst Zoro increases density.

Due to this, Zoro's CoA on max release is likely already stronger than Luffy's.
This. I'm sure a bunch of dumb people tried arguing with you on this, but they have no explanation as to why Zoro could hurt Kaido I guess 🤷🏿‍♂️
 
#31
Nope as stated Luffy is already above both in each Haki
It's unlikely they can catch him and even more being above him
He already reach the top in CoA and CoO and each fights will improve them
 

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#32
I feel like Oda might lend Zoro the best haki considering he doesn't possess a devil fruit, let alone Nika.

Zoro once claimed he possessed more will than Luffy, it depends on how accurate that was and how it will play out.
 
#37
You've been reading a different manga if you don't think that Oda will make sure that Luffy practically becomes a god that surpasses all once the story ends.
 
#40
luffy will be a master in all 3 hakis but i guess zoro and sanji will be just a little bit above him in their specialisations. maybe it wont be destructive power or FS but something else. for example Sanji could just have a better CoO sense of danger/emotions and zoro could have a stronger haki "flow"
 
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