Break Week would Zoro have done things Differently than Sanji if he was in WCI?

[Rivaille]

1. No one on Zou knew how long they’d be separated from Luffy. If you think Zoro would let a bunch of kids in a dojo die just so he can get permission from Luffy or actively start war with BM for his pride, you misunderstand him.

2. No one fell in love with pudding.

3. Sanji did the same until his treasure was held hostage. Would Zoro sacrifice Wado Ichimonji? I don’t think so

4. Zoro believed Helmeppo? You think he won’t believe big mom too?

5. Again you think Zoro would sacrifice Wado Ichimonji or his ambition just not to attack Luffy?

Yall acting like Zoros this heartless dude who’d sacrifice anything to aura farm is insane. Zoros not letting innocent people die willingly cmon now.

1. When the crew was in disarray in W7 what Zoro did ? He jumps forth like a chicken without head or was he the reasonable voice telling Nami and Luffy to wait and see what was really going on? Which led to them trying infiltrate Iceburg’s house?
When they met Bon Clay and understand his power did he panicked and let his feeling took the best of himself or did he invented the « Cross on the forearm » plan ?
When Kuma was threatening Luffy and the crew did he just randomly offer to follow him or did he first attacked him then surrender himself with condition?
When Dofla was wanting to kill everyone with his birdcage did Zoro try to bargain with him or did he rally people to push the birdcage out of sheer confidence onto Luffy’s strenght?
When he saw that the beast pirate fodders were wasting Oshiruko did he just let it slide because he has to infiltrate the party or did he go haywire on their ass?
When he saw Kiku arm fall from the rooftop, did he bargain with Apoo or just f*ck him up?
When he smell blood on the magistrate, even tho he has to keep low profile to protect Kinemon and co, did he seppuku himself or did he kill the magistrate and his followers ?

2. Thus the « »

3.You really think that Zoro will sacrifice his dream for a sword ?

4.It is called character development. Chapter 3 Zoro and post ts Zoro (even Alabasta Zoro) are different character.

5. Zoro will never attack Luffy unprovoked which Sanji did in WCI

The fact that you think that there is no middle ground between « aura farming letting people die » and « let yourself be entrapped in an obvious trap » is telling.
Zoro will not let innocents die but he will act according to his character’s traits which means that he would either:
-Fights his way out of the situation
-Surrender on his own terms without giving his confidence to anyone of the enemy crew.

Zoro and Sanji are not the same character with different design. Zoro will absolutely not deal with this the same way Sanji did.
For example, in W7 Sanji decided to trust Robin even more, Zoro decided to be defiant of her and wait until he can get more informations to take his decisions. The same situation, two ways of dealing with it.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

1. When the crew was in disarray in W7 what Zoro did ? He jumps forth like a chicken without head or was he the reasonable voice telling Nami and Luffy to wait and see what was really going on? Which led to them trying infiltrate Iceburg’s house?
When they met Bon Clay and understand his power did he panicked and let his feeling took the best of himself or did he invented the « Cross on the forearm » plan ?
When Kuma was threatening Luffy and the crew did he just randomly offer to follow him or did he first attacked him then surrender himself with condition?
When Dofla was wanting to kill everyone with his birdcage did Zoro try to bargain with him or did he rally people to push the birdcage out of sheer confidence onto Luffy’s strenght?
When he saw that the beast pirate fodders were wasting Oshiruko did he just let it slide because he has to infiltrate the party or did he go haywire on their ass?
When he saw Kiku arm fall from the rooftop, did he bargain with Apoo or just f*ck him up?
When he smell blood on the magistrate, even tho he has to keep low profile to protect Kinemon and co, did he seppuku himself or did he kill the magistrate and his followers ?

2. Thus the « »

3.You really think that Zoro will sacrifice his dream for a sword ?

4.It is called character development. Chapter 3 Zoro and post ts Zoro (even Alabasta Zoro) are different character.

5. Zoro will never attack Luffy unprovoked which Sanji did in WCI

The fact that you think that there is no middle ground between « aura farming letting people die » and « let yourself be entrapped in an obvious trap » is telling.
Zoro will not let innocents die but he will act according to his character’s traits which means that he would either:
-Fights his way out of the situation
-Surrender on his own terms without giving his confidence to anyone of the enemy crew.

Zoro and Sanji are not the same character with different design. Zoro will absolutely not deal with this the same way Sanji did.
For example, in W7 Sanji decided to trust Robin even more, Zoro decided to be defiant of her and wait until he can get more informations to take his decisions. The same situation, two ways of dealing with it.

1. Luffy was literally there. You think Zoro will just wait for lord knows how long for Luffy to show up and sacrifice a bunch of innocent kids in the meantime? Zoro literally let himself get captured in his introduction to save a kid and actively exposed their existence on Wano to also save a kid. Zoros not this heartless dude.

2. Yes? That sword is the literally personification of his promise with Kuina his canonical best friend. Zoro becoming WSS without it is useless to him because it means nothing to Kuina.

3. Zoro also intuitively trusted Kanjuro. Zoro also is the only one who failed to understand rayleighs plan. Zoro has only gotten less intelligent through the years. He’d absolutely believe big mom just like he believed Helmeppo.

4. If his greatest treasure and his ability to swing a sword was on the line? Of course he would.

Zoro would deal with it the same way Sanji did because it was literally the only option. If Sanji did anything else innocent people would die or Sanji would lose his treasures and ability to cook. The “Zoro would declare war on BM on Zou and let innocent kids in a dojo die” is so counter to Zoros character it’s insane.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Clapped Big Mom with advanced CoA
Luffy got amazed and Zoro became Luffy's CoA mentor on their way to Wano.

 

[SakazOuki]

He’d have gotten Meme pregnant

 

[Rivaille]

1. Luffy was literally there. You think Zoro will just wait for lord knows how long for Luffy to show up and sacrifice a bunch of innocent kids in the meantime? Zoro literally let himself get captured in his introduction to save a kid and actively exposed their existence on Wano to also save a kid. Zoros not this heartless dude.

2. Yes? That sword is the literally personification of his promise with Kuina his canonical best friend. Zoro becoming WSS without it is useless to him because it means nothing to Kuina.

3. Zoro also intuitively trusted Kanjuro. Zoro also is the only one who failed to understand rayleighs plan. Zoro has only gotten less intelligent through the years. He’d absolutely believe big mom just like he believed Helmeppo.

4. If his greatest treasure and his ability to swing a sword was on the line? Of course he would.

Zoro would deal with it the same way Sanji did because it was literally the only option. If Sanji did anything else innocent people would die or Sanji would lose his treasures and ability to cook. The “Zoro would declare war on BM on Zou and let innocent kids in a dojo die” is so counter to Zoros character it’s insane.

1.He let himself capture because, at that time, his death did not impact anyone but him. But throughout the story he grew attached to the crew and does not deal with this kind of threat the same way.
So yeah he might surrender but on his own accord like he did in front of Kuma or in FMI when he let himself be capture.

2. The sword is the personification of Kuina but he can totally become the WSS without it. What make the title useless is not the absence of a sword but his inhability to protect his friends. Which have been highlight in TB and when he swallow his pride in front of Mihawk.

3.Zoro has done mistake he is not perfect but he did not become less intelligent. He is fully capable to assess a situation which have been demonstrated several times after the timeskip. The last one is him checking on Loki’s wound before freeing him.

4.Zoro was willing to cut his legs to free himself form a wax sculpture(Little Garden). Zoro was willing to lose his arm to tame a sword (Sandai Kitetsu). Zoro was willing to lose his life to tame a sword (Enma). Zoro has shown that he he’s not afraid to bet or hurt his limbs or his body to reach his objective. Which is why he said to King that if he had to use his mouth to beat him, he would bite.
If Zoro lose his limbs he would just put his sword in the stump like Shiki.

I did not say that Zoro will declare war on BM, I said that he will fight his way out of this or surrender on his own terms. Sanji could have done things differently, he chose a way but Zoro would have chose another way, that’s all.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

It went that Germa was the one holding hostage Zeff and not Big Mom's pirates, and having "made peace" with Germa there was no risk for zeff anymore.
Did you read the manga or do you skip any chapter where zoro is not present?

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It's like hindsight doesn't exist for this guy, nor context.
Wild.

Wasn't it BM who sends ''the heads of beloved ones'' to the ones who don't respond to her ''invitation'' ?
It is rich to accuse me of not reading when this is what happened and was said canonically !!!!
You could have argued that the trauma of child Sanji played a role which is fair but that's not what you did, you changed the story to fit your headcanon somehow.
Second comment is not necessary and is even richer than the first one

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Wasn't it BM who sends ''the heads of beloved ones'' to the ones who don't respond to her ''invitation'' ?
It is rich to accuse me of not reading when this is what happened and was said canonically !!!!
You could have argues that the trauma of child Sanji played a role which is fair but that's not what you did, you changed the story to fit your headcanon somehow.
Second comment is not necessary and is even richer than the first one

Reiju clarified that the only person who cared about attacking Zeff to get Sanji involved is Judge.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Reiju clarified that the only person who cared about attacking Zeff to get Sanji involved is Judge.

Reiju ? The one who put the fake cuffs on Sanji and lied about it ?

 

[Bad English]

Zoro gets lost along the way to WCI

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

Reiju ? The one who put the fake cuffs on Sanji and lied about it ?

Just admit you didn't read/pay attention and are making strawman as arguments man

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Reiju ? The one who put the fake cuffs on Sanji and lied about it ?

Judge was there. She’s not capable of disobeying Judges orders. She told Sanji the truth later when Judge wasn’t present.

 

[Gauntlet]

Judge was there. She’s not capable of disobeying Judges orders. She told Sanji the truth later when Judge wasn’t present.

Judge wasn't sticking to either Sanji or Reiju like that. There were moments that Judge was away from them prior to the moment she finally decided to tell him.

I may come back later to further explain why copes like these are nonsensical. Making no promises though...

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Just admit you didn't read/pay attention and are making strawman as arguments man

What ? Isn t this what happened exactly ?

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

What ? Isn t this what happened exactly ?

Wasn't it BM who sends ''the heads of beloved ones'' to the ones who don't respond to her ''invitation'' ?
It is rich to accuse me of not reading when this is what happened and was said canonically !!!!
You could have argued that the trauma of child Sanji played a role which is fair but that's not what you did, you changed the story to fit your headcanon somehow.
Second comment is not necessary and is even richer than the first one

Reiju clarified that the only person who cared about attacking Zeff to get Sanji involved is Judge.

Literally two messages above yours.
You even quoted it.
Can you read?

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Literally two messages above yours.
You even quoted it.
Can you read?

And I answered !!!
Didn't Reiju put the handcuffs on Sanji and then lied about it ? She told him the truth once she was shot by Pudding and thought she was gonna die. (Not blaming Reiju, I like her design a lot and she had a big trauma as a child just like Sanji; I even wanted her to join the crew)
This discussion is over though, you are being ''stubborn'' on purpose or not it is getting old.
It is also out of topic so let's refocus.

 

[Gaimon The Pirate]

And I answered !!!
Didn't Reiju put the handcuffs on Sanji and then lied about it ? She told him the truth once she was shot by Pudding and thought she was gonna die. (Not blaming Reiju, I like her design a lot and she had a big trauma as a child just like Sanji; I even wanted her to join the crew)
This discussion is over though, you are being ''stubborn'' on purpose or not it is getting old.
It is also out of topic so let's refocus.

The fact that reiju is lying doesn't matter since when Sanji was given the information Reiju was not present, characters are not omniscient.

 

[Ven437]

SHs and WCI are annihilated

Hunger pangs BM would have destroyed everyone without Sanji baking that wedding cake. Zoro would try to fight BM on his last stand only to get low-diffed

 

[Gauntlet]

You're just babbling a lot of nonsense dude, i mean i don't blame Zoro fans at all, you don't need to read to be a Zoro fan these days, you just need to like to watch anime fights and thats it.

I mean many that excuse Sanji's actions and WCI's questionable writing like you are just coping, so I thought it was rather fitting to not take comments similar to yours too serious.

First off, you're insisting in "Zoro wouldn't wouldn't cry outside of a 16 yo room", like this was a huge ass problem itself, and not a consequence of Zoro (in this case, Sanji) feeling like there was no way out after he had done so much. Or your sorry ass thinks he would fold Big Mom and everyone, then carry Luffy's ass out of WCI and even replace Nami's role as the navigator if necessary, right? Woro can do anything without help, thats why we had Jimbe carrying him in Egghead and Sanji needing to look down on him for him to do something to Lucci and so on

This is the problem with One Piece as a whole, both the community and the story itself. Crying isn't necessary for either characterization nor character development, and as such someone wanting a character to not cry isn't a problem. It's just the easiest and cheapest way to do so, not that I'm against Zoro crying if it's in line with his character, which would not be outside the window of a 16 year old because his faulty ass plans failed as expected. Also I don't think Zoro would solo WCI as I'm not some Zoro fantard, unlike you are for Sanji.

Come on dude make some effort and be realistic, context matters

And the context is that Sanji's delusional ass took the hardest and stupidest road for no reason when there were obvious alternatives if his head wasn't up his ass. Sorry I don't have sympathy for stupidity.

When Luffy proposed to go to the Navy HQ to rescue Vivi, Zoro disagreed with it because he knows the implications it has. It's not mere fear, its not being too inconsequent when things affect more than your own. Which again falls back to Zoro not even having anyone to care about that much like Sanji had in WCI specifically

And Zoro didn't even needed to be put under such heavy pressure like Sanji was in WCI to have Luffy asking if he is a chicken for not wanting the smoke with the Navy HQ lol.

It was moreso that saving Vivi would severely deviate from Luffy's goal to become Pirate King, and that the Straw Hats would be prematurely acting out of incomplete information, something that Zoro has consistently opposed to doing. Unlike Sanji, Zoro wouldn't act so abruptly with dubious info for the most part.

You don't even realize Zoro didn't want Luffy to go rescue Sanji, just like Sanji didn’t want Luffy to go rescue him as well. Zoro and Sanji would literally agree in almost every single decision if they were put under the same circumstances because they value similar standards for the crew's safety

Zoro and Sanji didn’t want Luffy to follow Sanji for different reasons. Zoro was against it because he thought Sanji broke off from the crew to fulfill familial matter that may be important to Sanji, but weren't urgent to the crew as far as he knew. He didn't have a clue about Zeff's life potentially being on the line. And Sanji was opposed to the idea of Luffy coming because he stupidly thought that Luffy wouldn't come just because he said for him not to, seemingly forgetting that this Luffy we're talking about, and because his arrogant ass thought it would be easy to just tell Big Mom off about the wedding and leave right after to join the Straw Hats like he was wearing the pants in the situation, which was laughably braindead. Safety of the crew is important, but that's not the only reason either Zoro or Sanji act the way they do.

Sanji himself, among other reasons, said he didn’t deserve to go back to the crew after beating Luffy, something him and Zoro agreed about in Water 7, and guess what? Luffy just punched his face, this was Luffy saying "fuck these rules, i need you with me"

And there's a problem with Luffy accepting Sanji back so easily despite how disrespectful he was to Luffy, his dream, Luffy's role as a captain, and the crew. Luffy showed that he doesn't take his role as captain as seriously as it would suggest he would in Enies Lobby, allowing Sanji to come back without any consequences to make up for the way he acted out. If Sanji was serious about making right about his actions against the Straw Hats, he would of prostate himself in front of the whole crew to show how serious he regrets performing the actions he did on WCI.

In this specific moment can you picture what Zoro would do here? Would you enjoy the outcome or would Zoro end up like a clown speaking alone and getting ignored just like Nami was during "Luffy vs Sanji"? Would him show feelings and cry like Sanji "oUtsiDe oF a 16 yO rOoM?" Would he leave the crew because you think he is so manly and edgy that he would refuse to use his brain more than the usual and let Sanji and Luffy solve their things by their own? Zoro is so manly that he can't cry for legitimate reasons even while nobody is watching? Did you forgot he cried after getting clapped by Mihawk in front of Sanji, Luffy and many other people?

Zoro would never besmirch Luffy in anyway unless Luffy has done anything that would make Zoro truly reconsider if Luffy is fit to be taken seriously as a pirate captain. Zoro wouldn't attack Luffy out of the blue because he's made up an assumption that his family or some other entity would want him to do so in his head unlike Sanji, so it wouldn't even get to that point in this scenario.

If Luffy tried to shut Zoro up when it came to taking Sanji's despicable actions seriously like he did to Nami, Zoro would set Luffy's ass straight and threaten to leave once again if Luffy continues to ignore how Sanji blatantantly disrespected Luffy's identity as he did in Water 7, though I thought this was about Zoro in Sanji's shoes, not Nami's.

Zoro definitely wouldn't be crying outside a 16 year old's window because he got manipulated by her and his stupid plans didn't work, unlike Sanji. Then again he wouldn't of attempted to do what Sanji did in the 1st place lmao.

There are many better questions to be made here but i don't expect u guys to think about it, as i said initially, Zoro is a character than you don't need to think about that much these days, and sometimes you guys definitely act accordingly to it.

You claim that me and Zoro fans don't put much thought behind Zoro as a character, yet you and your ilk keep claiming that two different characters that act things out differently like Zoro and Sanji would engage with the WCI dilemma the same exact way, which is utterly ridiculous to say the least. It just sounds like excuses for Sanji and how he acted, claiming he made the only decisions he could when that couldn't be further from the truth.