Powers & Abilities Xebec's crew is "Fake Ultimate" crew, there's better crews than his

[Rocks D. Buggy]

Pretty much the title, the Fanbase overly overrate how strong the Rocks Pirates were imho and will explain, but mainly cause people think somehow Roger's crew, Shanks' crew, Teach's crew, Luffy's crew aren't comparable with Xebec's which's just false


- Xebec's crew the myth and mystique around them is really overrated cause they just get future accomplishments of their members individually which just abusrd concept cause these characters weren't as strong as they became later on like imagine if some1 would say A.S.L is one of the most stacked crew cause it had Flame Emperor Sabo, Sun God Nika Luffy and Fire Fist Ace but in reality thats BS cause they are just kids at that point and Usopp would solo them

- Like Xebec's first mate Newgate aka Young Whitebeard is compared to Edward Weevil, does anyone think Shiryu/Beckman/Zoro/Rayleigh are that far from Weevil ? and does anyone really believe that if given time Zoro/Ray/Beck/Shiryu can't reach what Peak Whitebeard reached ?

Same goes for the top crews, they have as much if not more stacked crews than Xebec :

- Roger had Rayleigh, Gaban and Oden all at their prime when he ended his journey and if we do the same logic as Xebec and give future achievements then he also had Shanks and Shanks is looking like the god king so Roger 100% had more stacked crew than Xebec

- Shanks is this new era Roger ; Beckman/Roux/Yasopp will all surpass Rayleigh/Gaban/Oden, the same way Zoro/Sanji/Jinbei will surpass both


- And finally Teach who doesnt get as much respect even tho he broke lvl 6 prisoner as crew mates for fun and his top 3 looking like Shiryu/Pizzaro/??? will for sure eclipse his previous version Xebec's top 3 of Newgate/Linlin/Shiki


If I had to say right now the most stacked crew is undoubtly Shanks' then Roger's then Teach's then Xebec's then Luffy's then BigMom's then the rest follow

 

[Herrera95]

First of all it needed Roger's crew with marines(Garp mostly) to defeat Xebec's crew and there is the betrayal plot which was probably the most important factor.

I would say that Roger's crew has the potential to match Xebec's but we don't know so far.

Xebec's crew is told to be the strongest to ever exist and 3 members became Yonko to support that while Shiki to me could have being one as well. Teach also hyped another member of Xebec's that he couldn't defeat without Coby's help.

Roger's crew we could imagine at least Rayleigh and Gaban also becoming Yonko's if they kept in piracy and have the desire to be so. We could also consider Oden. Still would be at least 1 or 2 members behind of Xebec's.

Xebec's is told to be the strongest by marines that lived in his time and probably fought with them. Is not a myth.

 

[Steven]

Shanks is this new era Roger

Yeah no

 

[Rocks D. Buggy]

First of all it needed Roger's crew with marines(Garp mostly) to defeat Xebec's crew and there is the betrayal plot which was probably the most important factor.

I would say that Roger's crew has the potential to match Xebec's but we don't know so far.

Xebec's crew is told to be the strongest to ever exist and 3 members became Yonko to support that while Shiki to me could have being one as well. Teach also hyped another member of Xebec's that he couldn't defeat without Coby's help.

Roger's crew we could imagine at least Rayleigh and Gaban also becoming Yonko's if they kept in piracy and have the desire to be so. We could also consider Oden. Still would be at least 1 or 2 members behind of Xebec's.

Xebec's is told to be the strongest by marines that lived in his time and probably fought with them. Is not a myth.

- Thats more Xebec hype than his crew to take Roger+Garp to take him, the rest don't matter and we don't know anything about the event to say anything concrete

- It's never told that Xebec had the strongest crew, it's just the most legendary crew cause again they associated future success of WB/BM/Kaido who went to do stuff on their own after Rocks Pirates

- Roger had Rayleigh Gaban Oden Shanks all Yonko level; and we don't know what the others could've became if they didn't all retire

- And Finally this is not about Xebec himself cause he is hyped as Roger's most fearsome opponent (above Garp) which's a big praise but about his crew and how the stacked element of their crew is overblown


Shanks, Teach, Luffy all have as good if not better crews

 

[MonsterKaido]

--Weevil was compared to young WB only in strength without gura no mi. WB's prime was in 38 around which is pretty close to his rock's timeline

--So no WB in rocks is pretty close to his prime

--Shiki also is close to his prime and was rival of roger and it needed garp + sengoku to beat them

--BB needed coby's help to defeat wang zi

--BM at least should be YC1+ level

--You have to be idiotic to think rock's crew were frauds lol

--Oden was only there for one year under roger's crew that too at the very end

--Roo and yasopp at best can be YC1 and YC2 level. Yasopp was rival to vista

 

[NAMELESS]

Like 3 yonko came out of it.Xebec's crew had the most potential.

 

[Rocks D. Buggy]

--Weevil was compared to young WB only in strength without gura no mi. WB's prime was in 38 around which is pretty close to his rock's timeline

2 years ago Luffy was going high diff vs Don Kreig, today he is laughing while clowning CP0 elite agent Rob Lucci

6 years ago Shanks wasnt an emperor

thats a huge time in OP; Weevil was compared to young WB without gura , sure .. but does anyone have Current Weevil near Rayleigh/Beckman/Zoro/Shiryu ? you will probably have to give Weevil the Gura for him to be competitive with these guys

--Shiki also is close to his prime and was rival of roger and it needed garp + sengoku to beat them

again close doesnt matter as he wasnt; and I'm sure Yasopp will be a rival if he had his own crew too and would take 2 admirals holding back trying to defend their homebase to stop him just like Fuji/Ryu couldnt crush Sabo and few good man cause its their homebase



I never said they are frauds, they are probably a top 5 crew of all time but the fanbase push them to unbelievable amount expectation and act like they had Prime Newgate Prime LinLin Prime Kaido (who wasnt even close to it) etc etc again its the example I gave where if someone would tell you the ASL Pirates are one of the most stacked pirate crews cause they had Fire Fist Ace, Sun God Nika Luffy and Flame Emperor Sabo but in reality thats just their potentiel in future but them are kids would just get solo'd by Usopp

Like 3 yonko came out of it.Xebec's crew had the most potential.

Luffy's subordinates has the same potentiel with Zoro Sanji Momo etc

Shanks's subordinates has that potentiel with Beckman Roux Yasopp

Roger's subordinates had the potentiel with Rayleigh Gaban Oden Shanks

Teach's subordinates had the potentiel with Shiryu Pizzaro Kuzan etc

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Kaido had Xebec on his top 5

Roger needed to ally with Garp to beat him

 

[MonsterKaido]

2 years ago Luffy was going high diff vs Don Kreig, today he is laughing while clowning CP0 elite agent Rob Lucci

thats a huge time in OP; Weevil was compared to young WB without gura , sure .. but does anyone have Current Weevil near Rayleigh/Beckman/Zoro/Shiryu ? you will probably have to give Weevil the Gura for him to be competitive with these guys



again close doesnt matter as he wasnt; and I'm sure Yasopp will be a rival if he had his own crew too and would take 2 admirals holding back trying to defend their homebase to stop him just like Fuji/Ryu couldnt crush Sabo and few good man cause its their homebase



I never said they are frauds, they are probably a top 5 crew of all time but the fanbase push them to unbelievable amount expectation and act like they had Prime Newgate Prime LinLin Prime Kaido (who wasnt even close to it) etc etc again its the example I gave where if someone would tell you the ASL Pirates are one of the most stacked pirate crews cause they had Fire Fist Ace, Sun God Nika Luffy and Flame Emperor Sabo but in reality thats just their potentiel in future but them are kids would just get solo'd by Usopp

--Luffy's growth rate or SHs can't be compared to others. Luffy is going to WSM by age 20 where roger didn't even started their journey

--Rocks WB will rape weevil so I don't see your point

--Lol shiki was a solid top tier. Roger even had to get lucky against him. Comparing him to YC2 yasopp who is mostly fodder to top tiers is asinine. In oda's draft it was revealed that oda wanted shiki to be admiral. @Admiral Mou Bu can back this up.

 

[gz89]

Overrated af. Besides Xebec only WB and maybe prime Meme/Shiki were strong enough.

 

[Rocks D. Buggy]

--Luffy's growth rate or SHs can't be compared to others. Luffy is going to WSM by age 20 where roger didn't even started their journey

--Rocks WB will rape weevil so I don't see your point

--Lol shiki was a solid top tier. Roger even had to get lucky against him. Comparing him to YC2 yasopp who is mostly fodder to top tiers is asinine. In oda's draft it was revealed that oda wanted shiki to be admiral. @Admiral Mou Bu can back this up.

What about Shanks becoming Yonko only 6 years ago ? or Kid/Law 4 ish or more years traveling before becoming top pirates ? and theres many examples

Weevil was literally compared physically to young Newgate who was on Rocks' ship, idk whats hard to see ? unless you disagree with Oda

Idk why ppl have no concept of foresight or even try to, i mean at least try to be open minded about current commanders and you will see that their potentiel is eventually becoming emperor type character themselves

Just think Zoro/Sanji maybe cuz they are portaganist and its easier to envision and see them in the future, could they not just stand up to top tier pirates by their own ?

same applies to Beckman/Roux/Yasopp (and many others) who Oda went out of his way to hype up, they could be the Shiki of tomorrow if they leave Shanks' crew; this notion that Yasopp is just "YC3" is just dumb and yea Roger got lucky cause he was faced with an armada in the sea not cause Shiki was way more powerful


There's so many examples of Certain Commanders who had the potentiel to be as big of a name as their captain if they had their own crew

 

[MonsterKaido]

What about Shanks becoming Yonko only 6 years ago ? or Kid/Law 4 ish or more years traveling before becoming top pirates ? and theres many examples

Weevil was literally compared physically to young Newgate who was on Rocks' ship, idk whats hard to see ? unless you disagree with Oda

Idk why ppl have no concept of foresight or even try to, i mean at least try to be open minded about current commanders and you will see that their potentiel is eventually becoming emperor type character themselves

Just think Zoro/Sanji maybe cuz they are portaganist and its easier to envision and see them in the future, could they not just stand up to top tier pirates by their own ?

same applies to Beckman/Roux/Yasopp (and many others) who Oda went out of his way to hype up, they could be the Shiki of tomorrow if they leave Shanks' crew; this notion that Yasopp is just "YC3" is just dumb and yea Roger got lucky cause he was faced with an armada in the sea not cause Shiki was way more powerful


There's so many examples of Certain Commanders who had the potentiel to be as big of a name as their captain if they had their own crew

What has shanks or characters have to do with WB being very close to his prime when he was in rocks? I don't get it.

RHP were highlighted hence I am ranking yasopp and roo high. They are not top Tiers lmao.

If current BB needed help in Defeating old wang ji then how powerful other members of rocks pirates will be?

Your opinions are very unpopular my guy. Anyway its up to you. I rest my case

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Xebec gets wanked righty so, he was a D, the government went out of their way to eliminate him from history, his ambition was unorthodox, 3 (to our knowledge) of his underlings had Conquerers Haki and became Yonko's later, and he lost to Garp and Roger, the Top Dawgs at the time.

His crew was only a part of the reason he gets so much clout. He had vicious pirates all under his banner.

I don't know if Shanks is scalable to the Rocks Pirates since they're pretty passive, until we get more about what exploits the RHP commanders main three had, I really don't think they hold a candle to Rocks' three.

Also Rogers crew had bums aside from Rayleigh and part time pirate - Oden.
And Whitebeards crew mostly were just Kids for the longest.

Luffy will come close EOS, but will only surpass Roger/Rocks if Luffy also has more CoC users under him (Sanji, Yamato, Usopp maybe)

 

[Chiji_]

Yeah I think the problem w this Rocks pirates perception is that everyone talks as if WB, BM, Kaido, Shiki were like all yonko level at the same time which is absurd. The special thing about them really is that they would all become top tier pirates eventually w many of them being conqueror’s. Outside of Xebec and probably WB (close to his prime era) the others most likely weren’t at that level yet.

 

[JoNdule]

Xebec =< or ~< Roger
Rocks WB ~< Oden (didn't peak yet)
Rocks Linlin < Ray
Rocks Shiki > Scopper
Rocks Vets + rookie Kaido > rest of Roger pirates

 

[Fujishiro]

Pretty much the title, the Fanbase overly overrate how strong the Rocks Pirates were imho and will explain, but mainly cause people think somehow Roger's crew, Shanks' crew, Teach's crew, Luffy's crew aren't comparable with Xebec's which's just false


- Xebec's crew the myth and mystique around them is really overrated cause they just get future accomplishments of their members individually which just abusrd concept cause these characters weren't as strong as they became later on like imagine if some1 would say A.S.L is one of the most stacked crew cause it had Flame Emperor Sabo, Sun God Nika Luffy and Fire Fist Ace but in reality thats BS cause they are just kids at that point and Usopp would solo them

- Like Xebec's first mate Newgate aka Young Whitebeard is compared to Edward Weevil, does anyone think Shiryu/Beckman/Zoro/Rayleigh are that far from Weevil ? and does anyone really believe that if given time Zoro/Ray/Beck/Shiryu can't reach what Peak Whitebeard reached ?

Same goes for the top crews, they have as much if not more stacked crews than Xebec :

- Roger had Rayleigh, Gaban and Oden all at their prime when he ended his journey and if we do the same logic as Xebec and give future achievements then he also had Shanks and Shanks is looking like the god king so Roger 100% had more stacked crew than Xebec

- Shanks is this new era Roger ; Beckman/Roux/Yasopp will all surpass Rayleigh/Gaban/Oden, the same way Zoro/Sanji/Jinbei will surpass both


- And finally Teach who doesnt get as much respect even tho he broke lvl 6 prisoner as crew mates for fun and his top 3 looking like Shiryu/Pizzaro/??? will for sure eclipse his previous version Xebec's top 3 of Newgate/Linlin/Shiki


If I had to say right now the most stacked crew is undoubtly Shanks' then Roger's then Teach's then Xebec's then Luffy's then BigMom's then the rest follow

Never read a manga where readers would disregard the authors words as much as this one honestly.

 

[Rocks D. Buggy]

Yeah I think the problem w this Rocks pirates perception is that everyone talks as if WB, BM, Kaido, Shiki were like all yonko level at the same time which is absurd. The special thing about them really is that they would all become top tier pirates eventually w many of them being conqueror’s. Outside of Xebec and probably WB (close to his prime era) the others most likely weren’t at that level yet.

this is exactly my point btw and what ppl are missing, They are not the same characters that they become later on

Between God Valley (the day they disbanded) and the next time WB had a feat and was considered at his prime there was a 12 year gap
Between God Valley (the day they disbanded) and the next time Shiki had a feat and was considered at his prime was a 14 year gap

As mentioned above so many characters literally go from regular pirates to commanders to yonko fighters in a year let alone multiple years



The thing is with this thread I'm suggesting stuff that you gotta just use ur imagination/common sense on how Oda portrayed the story cause for Luffy's this will happen 100%, theres no doubt in it

the question is if Shanks' crew and Teach's crew are gonna get the same level which's probably not unless Oda put in some serious hype into them for readers to take them as same threat as the previous generation they are supposed to represent in Roger/Xebec parallels


But the main reason to do this thread is ppl thinking Xebec's crew is far above Roger's which what I considered just absurd; the only difference between the 2 crews is that Roger's mates just retired while the Xebec's went and became their own captains (even then Rayleigh was compared to Newgate at Marineford as both legends, even without Rayleigh becoming a captain of his own after Roger)

Never read a manga where readers would disregard the authors words as much as this one honestly.

at no point did I disagree with the author, what im saying is mainly the fanbase acts as if Xebec's crew were all at their primes ; in the ultimate chapter the main hype from the marine soldiers is constantly how the crew had later on famous captains of their own which what i just said future accomplishments

 

[Formerly Seth]

Assuming God's Valley never happened and Rocks Crew never disbanded/went their separate ways they would grow to become the most insane set of people aboard one ship in history and they already were.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Goofy thread ngl.

 

[Herrera95]

- Thats more Xebec hype than his crew to take Roger+Garp to take him, the rest don't matter and we don't know anything about the event to say anything concrete

Neither Roger or Garp were ever able to defeat any of the Yonkos.

- It's never told that Xebec had the strongest crew, it's just the most legendary crew cause again they associated future success of WB/BM/Kaido who went to do stuff on their own after Rocks Pirates

Dude...

- Roger had Rayleigh Gaban Oden Shanks all Yonko level; and we don't know what the others could've became if they didn't all retire

Dude Shanks was Buggy level at time. Not today's Buggy but 10 years old Buggy since he was also 10 years old. Shanks only became Yonko 6 years ago(or 8 because of timeskip, I'm not sure).

Just like I said probably Roger's crew could match Xebec's alone. But yet need to proof since Xebec also had other famous names stated by Sengoku that could possibly be near Yonko level.

- And Finally this is not about Xebec himself cause he is hyped as Roger's most fearsome opponent (above Garp) which's a big praise but about his crew and how the stacked element of their crew is overblown

I'm talking about his crew you are the one trying to make this a Xebec thing.

His crew was told to be the strongest. There is no crew better yet. Never existed.