Future Events Yamato’s chances of joining dictated by her power level

[JoNdule]

of course, Ray was close to Roger... YES

People who think Ray was yonko level make me laugh

What's the excuse for Rayleigh not being hypes by kaido and BM then?
Why couldn't Roger pirates beat WBP, BMP and shiki fleets If they had 2 Yonko dudes on the shjp
And keep I mind, Roger pirates were in prime against youngsters (non prime BM ministers, non prime wb commanders etc...)

 

[kenedyfake]

People who think Ray was yonko level make me laugh

What's the excuse for Rayleigh not being hypes by kaido and BM then?
Why couldn't Roger pirates beat WBP, BMP and shiki fleets If they had 2 Yonko dudes on the shjp
And keep I mind, Roger pirates were in prime against youngsters (non prime BM ministers, non prime wb commanders etc...)

I don't even argue anymore, I just agree. You can't argue with these guys.
it's always a new narrative to cover another
the next narrative will be that King is Admiral level or almost a Yonkou or some shit like that

 

[JoNdule]

I don't even argue anymore, I just agree. You can't argue with these guys.
it's always a new narrative to cover another
the next narrative will be that King is Admiral level or almost a Yonkou or some shit like that

You know they are laughable when they think zoro beating King means he surpassed Yamato
Or
That King is now all of a sudden top tier

They just can't accept that zoro is limited
He's all brute and muscle. He doesn't have the mobility to tag flyers or people who are 2 big in the sky. He also doesn't have super amazing skills

 

[sanjikun]

People who think Ray was yonko level make me laugh

 

[stairs-kun]

I can always tell by the power scaling, people who were terrible at reading compare

Neg-diffed

 

[ConquistadoR]

> A 76 year old retired Rayleigh was casually fighting against a Marine Admiral after decades of not fighting with top tiers. The same Kizaru who was sarcastically joking and casually messing around at Marineford acknowledges that this is going to be trouble.

Spoiler

> Garp literally says that the Marines cannot handle Rayleigh and the Whitebeard Pirates at the same time.
> Oda compares Rayleigh to Shanks, a yonko in his prime, when he explains how Haoshoku Haki works.

This is from SBS Volume 65 btw.

Spoiler

D: Luffy's Haoshoku haki was able to affect 50,000 men, but how many would Shanks and the others be able to defeat? P.N. Captain Nobuo​

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O: In exactly the same place and exact same situation as Luffy, Shanks or Rayleigh may have been capable of knocking out all 100,000. In a different setting, you can't really compare just by asking "how many people". Being able to knock an enemy out with haki depends entirely on having an overwhelming power gap between the two. In Luffy's case the point is the number of people that were so weak that they were not even worth him fighting. If there were 100,000 to-some-extent-strong-willed pirates before him, it's possible that he wouldn't even be able to knock out a single one. On a related note, as one's proficiency with haoshoku advances, it's even possible to target a few people in a crowd to NOT knock out.​

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But okay prime Rayleigh is weaker than Oden lul.

 

[sanzolu]

Yamato right has better feats and portrayal than both zoro and sanji . But if she is joining she ain't gonna be above them. There is not going to be a next powerup next arc. That powerup they are getting this arc. Zoro is going to be nerfed most of next arc . Oda is going out of his way to give then all the powerups this arc. By the end of the arc this discussion would not even resurface

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

Wait there my friend, i have a counter argument to you.

Carrot can't join because she is too weak to even a fight one of BBs Pirates.
Vivi is even more weak.
Law wouldn't join because him already have been pissed when Kidd jokes with him, saying Law was subordinate of Luffy.
Momo Can't because him is for Shogun( in my opinion after Yamato him is good, imagine a giant Pink Dragon in the crew)

 

[humanbeing]

Zoro and Sanji will still power up in this arc and be stronger than her. and she will join

 

[Human D Luffy]

Zoro and Sanji will still power up in this arc and be stronger than her. and she will join

Aint nothing sanji can do this arc that can allow him to stall and fight closely against kaido for 15 minutes the way yamato did, other than unless.... if you are talking about baking a yonko another cake....

 

[Hereforthesalt]

Let’s scale Yamato chance of joining based on her position on the popularity poster instead. Yamato was very far away from the rest of Straw Hat Crew, not anywhere in Luffy’s orbit.

 

[humanbeing]

Aint nothing sanji can do this arc that can allow him to stall and fight closely against kaido for 15 minutes the way yamato did, other than unless.... if you are talking about baking a yonko another cake....

well let us just say we have different opinions

 

[ConquistadoR]

Let’s scale Yamato chance of joining based on her position on the popularity poster instead. Yamato was very far away from the rest of Straw Hat Crew, not anywhere in Luffy’s orbit.

Yeah lets place her right next to the Strawhats and straight up spoil the fanbase on who's the next crewmate.

 

[mugiwalaw]

She will still be behind zoro and sanji, but if sanji doesn't get coc this arc then she's not joining or she would eclipse him.

so why if she eclipse him?

its just like sayin Ace cant join whitebeard because he will eclipse Marco, because Marco doesnt have coc lmao bullshit

 

[JoNdule]

Yeah sure
That's why Rayleigh is hyped by Yonko oops
That's why Ray defeated WBP or BMP who weren't in prime even

Roger had Ray and scopper but avoids or almost loses to people with weaker crewmatws
Amazing

Kaido must of forgotten Rayleigh to hype him even once
Even Oden doesn't hype Rayleigh but only wB , Kaido and Roger
"Yonko level coz Garp says we can't afford to take 2 legends at the same time"

 

[mugiwalaw]

You guys acting like Yamato or Luffy were 1v1ing a fresh Kaido. They are fighting post-nerfed Zoro Kaido. Kaido was at least 40%-50% HP when he started 1v1ing Luffy and Yamato. Nerfed Zoro was the one who had Kaido trembling and huffing.

 

[Human D Luffy]

at this point imma have to put yamato at least on the same level as zoro, or maybe even a bit higher depending on how luffy and her performs against Kaido 2 v 1.

if kaido still beats the crap out of them 2 together, then i think they should crown kaido as the PK already.

 

[Patryipe]

No problem for Zoro, he's stronger anyway.

Sanjino though? My my, he just got back in the M3, he would get kicked out again

 

[thedarkdragon11]

I get why some are worried about Yamato joining, most of them are either Sanji fans or obsolete M3 lickers... Because Yamato has CoC and that she can hold off Kaido...

Thing is, it's just CoC... Only needed by those who have kingly ambitions or parallels... In an actual fight, Sanji don't really need that since he's only fighting YC2s... Yamato has it only because of her Oden parallel... That, aside of the fact that Yamato already said that she can't beat Kaido, nothing different with the rest of the SHs outside Luffy and Zoro...

Also, may I remind you guys that Oden joined both Whitebeard and Roger Pirates without powerscaling issues... That's when Oden can equal WB (for Whitebeard Pirates), and eventually when it'll take both Rayleigh and Gaban to beat Oden (for Roger Pirates)...

In the end, no matter what happens, Zoro will still be the one who'll fight YC1 and Sanji for YC2 and Yamato will be "disrespected" like Jinbe... Especially that Sanji always have the tendency to steal opponents from female SHs...

 

[uyuu]

Yes, I will admit, Yamato has better feats than Zoro. And if Zoro’s last fight this arc is an EXTREME diff against King, he will NOT have better feats than her this entire arc since YC1s ain’t got shit on what Yamato was doing on the roof.

So, if Yamato joins with this scaling, she will be the Second strongest person on the crew. And Oda will have to carry this dynamic into the next arc and possibly the end of the story since Yamato’s goal is to be like Oden and Oden is stated to “have become several times stronger” from his journey so Yamato will get stronger as the story progresses.

I want to have a DEDICATED thread on this one topic. How does this affect Yamato’s chances of Joining the crew. The very likely possibility that she will be the undeniable second strongest even down to her Vivre card will say this undoubtedly, “The Second strongest member of the Strawhat pirates”.

1. Powerlevel factor: Imo even though Yamato > Zoro currently, Oda won't make Yamato's character or hype only about her strength. Since as powerful as she is, her character is not oriented in power but in being Oden (lol) and sailing with Luffy. Thats it, no powerlevel-oriented goal like Zoro. So imo there's still a chance for Zoro to surpass her in powerlevel especially in the climax of entire OP. Of course the opposite can happen as well where Yamato stays clearly ahead, but even if thats the case i think Zoro will have more exploration narrative-wise and more hype powerlevel-wise. Just like how Kaidou recognized Oden powerlevel as among the ones capable of fighting him but it's Rayleigh who has this wisdom, charisma and narrative significance.

Even if Yamato's number 2 after Luffy in powerlevel, Zoro can never be replaced as the number 2 in decision-making and being Luffy's shield and also the crew's compass of integrity, to always align Luffy and the others back to their original purpose. That's why Zoro will keep being First Mate instead of Yamato. Just like how Rayleigh keep being the First Mate instead of Oden.

2. Narrative factor: yeah Yamao = Luffy's Oden so imo her chances may be affected but not significant enough to prevent or support her from/into joining imo.