Versus Battle Yhwach Bach(tybw) vs Lucius Zogratis(Black Clover

[Nightlord101]

Which of these godlike beings would want to win?

 

[Daniel]

Would Yhwach (with the Almighty and Soul King absorbed) be able to see through the usage of time manipulation from Zogratis? He might here.

Yhwach might "preemptively disable" any abilites related to time stop/manip before they can be used because for some reason, Yhwach's almighty has displayed the ability to change the "history" of things.

 

[Nightlord101]

Would Yhwach (with the Almighty and Soul King absorbed) be able to see through the usage of time manipulation from Zogratis? He might here.

Yhwach might "preemptively disable" any abilites related to time stop/manip before they can be used because for some reason, Yhwach's almighty has displayed the ability to change the "history" of things.

There’s just so many things about Lucius that we don’t know about yet.

Like how does he purified demons souls and turns them into angelic, that’s yet to be unraveled.

Besides Yhwach could be fighting a clone of Lucius with the same abilities like Yuno did.

 

[Moegara]

Yhwach with his full set is more broken. He doesn't just see the future: he chooses the future.

 

[Nightlord101]

Yhwach with his full set is more broken. He doesn't just see the future: he chooses the future.

Lucius is the same way, he saw into different alternate of characters without asta’s influence helping them.

 

[Moegara]

Lucius is the same way, he saw into different alternate of characters without asta’s influence helping them.

The way they alter the future is not the same. Lucius is quite broken and impressive, but less haxy.

Lucius sees different futures, and then acts accordingly in the present to get the future he wants. In other words, he "sees the best path ahead of him knowing the results". Asta simply blocks his sight of said futures, making it so Lucius doesn't know what his best action is anymore.

Yhwach, on the other hand, by his own admission, has the power to "choose a future" and it happens without causation. Like for breaking Ichigo's bankai: Yhwach just had to "shift Zangetsu to a future in which it was shattered".


Lucius isn't weak at all, don't get me wrong, but if I have to vote between two characters with powers like these two, I vote for the one with the better hax. The hax that grants more invincibility.

 

[T2K Baka]

The way they alter the future is not the same. Lucius is quite broken and impressive, but less haxy.

Lucius sees different futures, and then acts accordingly in the present to get the future he wants. In other words, he "sees the best path ahead of him knowing the results". Asta simply blocks his sight of said futures, making it so Lucius doesn't know what his best action is anymore.

Yhwach, on the other hand, by his own admission, has the power to "choose a future" and it happens without causation. Like for breaking Ichigo's bankai: Yhwach just had to "shift Zangetsu to a future in which it was shattered".


Lucius isn't weak at all, don't get me wrong, but if I have to vote between two characters with powers like these two, I vote for the one with the better hax. The hax that grants more invincibility.

To add on to this, Yhwach after absorbing the soul king can straight up change the future to how he wants. Add this on top of his passive power null and other hax, it's not even close here.

The anime might even make him more powerful if Senjumaru and the royal guards are so much stronger than the manga.

 

[Nightlord101]

To add on to this, Yhwach after absorbing the soul king can straight up change the future to how he wants. Add this on top of his passive power null and other hax, it's not even close here.

The anime might even make him more power if Senjumaru and the royal guards are so much stronger than the manga.

That’s certainly true, there are many things in the ancient past that is still an mystery?

Who were the original starknights for instant?

And how did Yhwach and his army get to soul society?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Yhwach blinks and wins

 

[DonWick]

Thwack is just to busted

 

[Nightlord101]

The way they alter the future is not the same. Lucius is quite broken and impressive, but less haxy.

Lucius sees different futures, and then acts accordingly in the present to get the future he wants. In other words, he "sees the best path ahead of him knowing the results". Asta simply blocks his sight of said futures, making it so Lucius doesn't know what his best action is anymore.

Yhwach, on the other hand, by his own admission, has the power to "choose a future" and it happens without causation. Like for breaking Ichigo's bankai: Yhwach just had to "shift Zangetsu to a future in which it was shattered".


Lucius isn't weak at all, don't get me wrong, but if I have to vote between two characters with powers like these two, I vote for the one with the better hax. The hax that grants more invincibility.

Maybe, but there’s so much we don’t know about astaroth’s time magic, it probably has an hax ability after all.

 

[T2K Baka]

Maybe, but there’s so much we don’t know about astaroth’s time magic, it probably has an hax ability after all.

Bleach characters like Aizen, Ichigo, and Yhwach have resistance to time manipulation already.

 

[Nightlord101]

Bleach characters like Aizen, Ichigo, and Yhwach have resistance to time manipulation already.

True, though Lucius has different kinds of magic he can use better than the others who owned them.

 

[Moegara]

Maybe, but there’s so much we don’t know about astaroth’s time magic, it probably has an hax ability after all.

For now I can only consider what we know about the character, though.

Story-wise it would be fine if he had a hax like Yhwach's, at least there's Asta to negate it unlike the messy thing that went on with Ichigo.

 

[Nightlord101]

For now I can only consider what we know about the character, though.

Story-wise it would be fine if he had a hax like Yhwach's, at least there's Asta to negate it unlike the messy thing that went on with Ichigo.

Lucius can make an army of paladins at his beacon and call anytime he wants.

He did this sister lily, one touch of his soul magic transferred one of the rulers into her and lily used their magic like her own in no time.

 

[Roo]

Almighty literally rewrites the future

gg

 

[T2K Baka]

Lucius can make an army of paladins at his beacon and call anytime he wants.

He did this sister lily, one touch of his soul magic transferred one of the rulers into her and lily used their magic like her own in no time.

Those would all just get negated by the Almighty. If we had other hax like the dead sternritter shrifts, then it's just a bigger stomp

 

[S7ven]

Lucius definitely wins.

 

[Steven]

Timestop GG

 

[T2K Baka]

Timestop gets negged passively and Yhwach just absorbs him