Powers & Abilities You apparently don't need ACoC to defeat a Yonkou

Do you need ACoC to defeat a yonkou?


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#44
You don’t need ACoC and a hax fruit to be a top tier you only need one or the other

Law and Kid can barely use their awakenings yet they’re able to do considerable damage to fuckin Big Mom

Imagine how strong Law will be when he can consistently completely ignore durability and do internal damage

Have you seen Kid? Can you even imagine how broken Kid will be when he can grant people magnetism without it damn near killing him

Once they’re able to start using their awakenings like Doflamingo and Katakuri they’ll be solid top tiers
 
#47
People have got to stop using Luffy as a measuring stick for everything.
If it was for you...Doffy would be used as measurement stick.
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Yet even with a power up she couldn't block punk corna dio
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Why would someone scream if they got hit, if it didn't hurt?
The only attack she blocked in the whole arc was Kaido club swing .

Anything else landed on her from Ussop minitank to law awakening.
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I feel the clash of Roger and WB was explanatory enough of how aCoC is so superior.

Roger aCoC vs WB aCoC ( plus has a hax DF , maybe awakened).

Either tool can be used to take down a yonko as BM/Kaido .
 
#48
Can we stop calling "weak" to characters who lose or are losing?

It is a 2 vs 1, Big Mom already defeated them but didnt give them the finisher. This is the same story as always.

Even Kaido said it himself, he should had taken Luffy's head.
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I doubt anyone short of WB/BB has KKG levels of raw power. But Kid is at least using metal and not a rubber punch.
I doubt they have that raw power. It was shown that advanced armament kong gun could already do the same AP that the attacks from Whitebeard.
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People have got to stop using Luffy as a measuring stick for everything.
Lol, Luffy is the only powerscale tool we have.
 
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#51
Shanks let the fish take his arm

Yes yami bb
Not the bb luffy will fight
"Let fish take him"
That's the sole reason to prove you don't need advCoC to damage/harm then

Interms of physical stats and body, Big mom is far above BB and Shanks. This chapter shows that BB and Shanks will get fk hard if they got hit by those Kid and Law awakening attacks.

Thx to Big mom nature of his abnormal endurance and tankiness, Oda allows many attacks to hit her, most of which doesn't do shit.
But this attack does really work against her which means any ppl outside of Kaido or logia intangible(maybe) would literally fuck anyone.

And yes current BB will still get fuck by Magellan poison, but he won't be foolish enough to get hit by that again.
 

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#52
"Let fish take him"
That's the sole reason to prove you don't need advCoC to damage/harm then

Interms of physical stats and body, Big mom is far above BB and Shanks. This chapter shows that BB and Shanks will get fk hard if they got hit by those Kid and Law awakening attacks.

Thx to Big mom nature of his abnormal endurance and tankiness, Oda allows many attacks to hit her, most of which doesn't do shit.
But this attack does really work against her which means any ppl outside of Kaido or logia intangible(maybe) would literally fuck anyone.

And yes current BB will still get fuck by Magellan poison, but he won't be foolish enough to get hit by that again.
Shanks wouldn't stand there and take these hits
To beat Shanks you'd have to get past his acoc

Meme is ass just standing there taking them. That's her own fault.
 
#53
"Let fish take him"
That's the sole reason to prove you don't need advCoC to damage/harm then

Interms of physical stats and body, Big mom is far above BB and Shanks. This chapter shows that BB and Shanks will get fk hard if they got hit by those Kid and Law awakening attacks.

Thx to Big mom nature of his abnormal endurance and tankiness, Oda allows many attacks to hit her, most of which doesn't do shit.
But this attack does really work against her which means any ppl outside of Kaido or logia intangible(maybe) would literally fuck anyone
Logias will absolutely get fucked up by Shockwille. Law has haki and it doesn’t take a genius that he will coat his attacks with haki when he uses his DF abilities.
 
#55
Luffy vs Boa sisters...
Haki is only another tool.

And they have Awakening, which is their powerup instead of AdCoC that Luffy got. Awakening is even more rare btw.

Now cry, your Zori gets stomped by any of them.
 
#56
And here goes zorotards heacannon about only people with advCOC can be top tier when you have people like garp or admirals who doesn't confirmed to have that, only reason they said it is because zoro got that lmfao, before zoro got coc they said its a shit ability.
 
#57
Luffy vs Boa sisters...
Haki is only another tool.
People love to take "extremes" and present them as the general rule. Boa sisters had weak haki (at the time of the battle) so Luffy overpowering them with gear 2 and 3 makes sense, it's in the "realms of possibilities" unlike some ludicrous and trumpet up takes. I don't know what you're guys debating, and I don't have a horse in that discussion, but haki isn't just a tool, it's everything. How many top tiers you know without haki? None. How many top tiers you know only with haki? At least three.
 
#59
People love to take "extremes" and present them as the general rule. Boa sisters had weak haki (at the time of the battle) so Luffy overpowering them with gear 2 and 3 makes sense, it's in the "realms of possibilities" unlike some ludicrous and trumpet up takes. I don't know what you're guys debating, and I don't have a horse in that discussion, but haki isn't just a tool, it's everything. How many top tiers you know without haki? None. How many top tiers you know only with haki? At least three.
But they are for sure using Haki (BM, Kid, Law), but it's the invisible one since their vs is more about DF (Big Mom's giant mode, Kid and Law's awakening) so Oda is focusing on showing this instead.
We can assume Big Mom was even using AdCoC, but "invisible", or offpanel, since author is pretty limited when fights.

Anyway, what is for sure is that Big Mom was going all out, that's why she spent a year of lifespan to powerup. So the excuse of no AdCoC on panel is irrelevant, because her doing that means what she had before that wasn't enough to beat these 2, and that includes AdCoC.
 
#60
And here goes zorotards heacannon about only people with advCOC can be top tier when you have people like garp or admirals who doesn't confirmed to have that, only reason they said it is because zoro got that lmfao, before zoro got coc they said its a shit ability.
Its not headcanon. Kaido himself made this statement. ''Only the very strongest have this ability''
 
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