Yu-Gi-Oh General Thread

[Bob74h]

Even some of the rogue strategies in this format were interesting! SPYral and Tri-Zoo for example, were also very fun decks! And to be honest, only one of these meta-decks wasn't fun to play against either. There's never been a format with as much interaction in games before or since.

summon 90 cards in a turn


how unique



not like every modern yugioh deck functions that exact same way since meta players only want faster and faster versions of yusei's turbo deck



cause screw being unique just continue 5ds's speed gimmick for every deck ever

Ehh, power creep just made the game harder to play but the challenge is something I enjoy

no it just makes player freedom less cause you have less selection


and it makes keeping up with the game bad


if you spent 100 dollars on a deck well screw you


new set power creeps it so spent another 100


you wanna play yugioh, you can only do that if you buy new set


buy new set, cause new set better and we meta fans only play new shit cause new shit summons 80 billion extra deck monsters instead 60 thousand in one turn



dude you dont need skill to buy the newest set and stomp some dude who might not have the cash to blow on the new meta shit every month


or maybe the dude wants to play a deck for fun instead of going on master duel and wasting 20 mins on 1 fucking turn

 

[NAMELESS]

the game has kinda sucked since 5ds


power creep ruined the game

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pretty much meant nothing to me beyond the starting bit with red-eyes,blue eyes and so on


given pretty much only care about the manga and anime cards with the animation including solely tcg only decks say for the first few seconds


literal click bait btw


shows dark magician on the thumbnail yet barely has any relevance in the video.

Exactly,Power Creep. Dragon Ruler formate killed the game imo Its was downhill from there. I wish we had official goat format tournaments.

 

[Bob74h]

Also agree to disagree. I like this animation focusing on non-anime archetypes

nobody cares about the tcg decks tho


like anime only's might buy stardust cause ohh yusei played it


and me like yusei


but people who like the tcg only garbage are only liking it cause it summons more stuff in a turn relative to the other decks




nobody cares about dragon link



nobody cares about adamantine



the people who play them, will play any deck that spams out shit better



tcg decks are only liked cause of utility


anime decks actually have a fanbase, people still talk blue eyes cause kaiba



nobody cares about zoodiac or true draco anymore cause nobody cared about them to begin with


they cared about it being the most recent version of yusei's turbo deck and now that their not meta



it's on to the new set


tcg only archetypes are trends, nobody likes them

Yugiboomer post.

wow one word comment insulting my stance

typical meta tard no real point



just repeating whatever shit hears on reddit




you guys enjoy your gated community with a ever dwindling fanbase and profits



enjoy the fun of online gate keeping, ill be laughing when your game gets canceled


looks like the trash heap is already on it's way to the dump
https://eightify.app/summary/gaming/the-decline-of-yu-gi-oh-financial-losses-and-overproduction

 

[L o g i a]

summon 90 cards in a turn


how unique

Given a player can only use max 75 cards unless they can also access their opponents cards, no. The competitive record in a YCS for most summons in a turn is 42 and that was done by a Dark World player 2 years ago.

not like every modern yugioh deck functions that exact same way since meta players only want faster and faster versions of yusei's turbo deck

Yeah, after this I know you haven't played in a long time. Old-school was pretty much just a race to summon out beatsticks. Now we have all sorts of different strategies. Some act as floodgates. Some want to minimise opponents resources. Some want to use opponents cards against them. Some destroy themselves and everything else. Some spam link/xyz/synchro. Some just interrupt opponents. Some abuse the graveyard mechanic. Some are focused on drawing and extension. Some use LP as a resource rather than something to protect. Some us equips. Some focus on tokens. There's a HUGE variety. Like, the difference in the way decks like Nemleria work compared to something like Branded is bigger than night and day.

no it just makes player freedom less cause you have less selection

The majority of tier 0 formats were during and earlier than the 5Ds era.
The latest world championships, full of nothing but people who know the game better than anyone else on the planet (including you), and power creep, etc. etc. had all of the following decks represented in the tournament:
-Kashtira
-Bystial Dragon (Winner - this was like the 8th-10th best deck on paper)
-Runick Adventure
-Floowandereeze
-Rikka Sunavalon
-Branded Adventure
-Unchained
-Fire Kings
-Dark World
-Dino (Transcendosaurus variant)
-Dino (Scrap variant)
-Megalith
-Salad
-Dinomorphia (my favourite deck)
-Thunder-dragon link
-Tearlaments
-Prank Kids
-Sword Soul
-Ghoti Synchro turbo
-Sprite
-Therion Plant
-Tri-Melffy
-Beetrooper

That's 23 decks between 64 players. I've never seen anyone say anything more incorrect about Yugioh in my life.

and it makes keeping up with the game bad


if you spent 100 dollars on a deck well screw you


new set power creeps it so spent another 100


you wanna play yugioh, you can only do that if you buy new set


buy new set, cause new set better and we meta fans only play new shit cause new shit summons 80 billion extra deck monsters instead 60 thousand in one turn




dude you dont need skill to buy the newest set and stomp some dude who might not have the cash to blow on the new meta shit every month

or maybe the dude wants to play a deck for fun instead of going on master duel and wasting 20 mins on 1 fucking turn

It's a TRADING card game. You can and most people do TRADE their cards. For me personally, I last spent money out of pocket (and not from card sales) about a year ago. A new set's come out which is really good so I probably will buy a box of Phantom Nightmare packs, but it's not as expensive as you think.


The only TCG that requires anywhere near as much skill is MTG. Yugioh is so intricate, and your dumbed down version is just blatantly wrong. Maybe try and watch some pro duels with commentary or even just follow some content on how decks were played over the years like the YGO Progression Series - you'll see you're just flat out wrong.

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Exactly,Power Creep. Dragon Ruler formate killed the game imo Its was downhill from there. I wish we had official goat format tournaments.

lmao yeah, Dragon Ruler wasn't even the best deck in its own format - that was Spellbook. Dragon Rulers still have some meta use on occasion to this day 13 years later. The powercreep isn't actually that significant. Powercreep was much faster from Duel Monsters to 5Ds than from Zexal to now.

I can tell all you detractors just don't know what you're talking about.

 

[NAMELESS]

Given a player can only use max 75 cards unless they can also access their opponents cards, no. The competitive record in a YCS for most summons in a turn is 42 and that was done by a Dark World player 2 years ago.


Yeah, after this I know you haven't played in a long time. Old-school was pretty much just a race to summon out beatsticks. Now we have all sorts of different strategies. Some act as floodgates. Some want to minimise opponents resources. Some want to use opponents cards against them. Some destroy themselves and everything else. Some spam link/xyz/synchro. Some just interrupt opponents. Some abuse the graveyard mechanic. Some are focused on drawing and extension. There's a HUGE variety. Like, the difference in the way decks like Nemleria work compared to something like Branded is bigger than night and day.


The majority of tier 0 formats were during and earlier than the 5Ds era.
The latest world championships, full of nothing but people who know the game better than anyone else on the planet (including you), and power creep, etc. etc. had all of the following decks represented in the tournament:
-Kashtira
-Bystial Dragon (Winner - this was like the 8th-10th best deck on paper)
-Runick
-Floowandereeze
-Rikka Sunavalon
-Branded
-Unchained
-Fire Kings
-Dark World
-Dino (Transcendosaurus variant)
-Dino (Scrap variant)
-Megalith
-Salad
-Thunder-dragon link
-Tearlaments
-Prank Kids
-Sword Soul
-Ghoti Synchro turbo
-Sprite
-Therion Plant
-Tri-Melffy
-Beetrooper

That's 22 decks between 64 players. I've never seen anyone say anything more incorrect about Yugioh in my life.


It's a TRADING card game. You can and most people do TRADE their cards. For me personally, I last spent money out of pocket (and not from card sales) about a year ago. A new set's come out which is really good so I probably will buy a box of Phantom Nightmare packs, but it's not as expensive as you think.


The only TCG that requires anywhere near as much skill is MTG. Yugioh is so intricate, and your dumbed down version is just blatantly wrong. Maybe try and watch some pro duels with commentary or even just follow some content on how decks were played over the years like the YGO Progression Series - you'll see you're just flat out wrong.

Hyperbole,bro. We went from normal summon and set a trap card to special summoning 5 monsters,buying 5 more cards and locking your opponent with some hax effects.
Btw,i love gravekeepers. Anti-meta is the way imo.

 

[Astaro]

nobody cares about the tcg decks tho


like anime only's might buy stardust cause ohh yusei played it


and me like yusei


but people who like the tcg only garbage are only liking it cause it summons more stuff in a turn relative to the other decks




nobody cares about dragon link



nobody cares about adamantine



the people who play them, will play any deck that spams out shit better



tcg decks are only liked cause of utility


anime decks actually have a fanbase, people still talk blue eyes cause kaiba



nobody cares about zoodiac or true draco anymore cause nobody cared about them to begin with


they cared about it being the most recent version of yusei's turbo deck and now that their not meta



it's on to the new set


tcg only archetypes are trends, nobody likes them





wow one word comment insulting my stance

typical meta tard no real point



just repeating whatever shit hears on reddit




you guys enjoy your gated community with a ever dwindling fanbase and profits



enjoy the fun of online gate keeping, ill be laughing when your game gets canceled


looks like the trash heap is already on it's way to the dump
https://eightify.app/summary/gaming/the-decline-of-yu-gi-oh-financial-losses-and-overproduction

Great, don’t let the door hit you on the way out

 

[NAMELESS]

nobody cares about the tcg decks tho


like anime only's might buy stardust cause ohh yusei played it


and me like yusei


but people who like the tcg only garbage are only liking it cause it summons more stuff in a turn relative to the other decks




nobody cares about dragon link



nobody cares about adamantine



the people who play them, will play any deck that spams out shit better



tcg decks are only liked cause of utility


anime decks actually have a fanbase, people still talk blue eyes cause kaiba



nobody cares about zoodiac or true draco anymore cause nobody cared about them to begin with


they cared about it being the most recent version of yusei's turbo deck and now that their not meta



it's on to the new set


tcg only archetypes are trends, nobody likes them





wow one word comment insulting my stance

typical meta tard no real point



just repeating whatever shit hears on reddit




you guys enjoy your gated community with a ever dwindling fanbase and profits



enjoy the fun of online gate keeping, ill be laughing when your game gets canceled


looks like the trash heap is already on it's way to the dump
https://eightify.app/summary/gaming/the-decline-of-yu-gi-oh-financial-losses-and-overproduction

did you just go on a rant over yugioh?bro?

 

[L o g i a]

Hyperbole,bro. We went from normal summon and set a trap card to special summoning 5 monsters,buying 5 more cards and locking your opponent with some hax effects.
Btw,i love gravekeepers. Anti-meta is the way imo.

And which is more boring?

"Ooga booga Mechanicalchaser 1850 ATK beats your Giant Beaver, take 450 damage. I set one card in my spell trap zone and pass my turn"
"Ooga booga i summon goblin attack force and attack Mechanicalchaser..."

OR

Literally any other game with modern cards.

What makes Yugioh fun is the fact it's fast paced and there are about 2000 different ways cards can interact with eachother in any given duel with two decks of 40 cards. You're saying shit like you can't also do the same thing or use cards like Effect Veiler, Ash Blossom or Ghost Mansion or Nibiru to fuck with your opponents.

Even in oppressive formats like Tearlaments-Kashtira, the level of skill required and the amount of interactions was extremely fun, even just to watch as a bystander.

 

[NAMELESS]

And which is more boring? What makes Yugioh fun is the fact it's fast paced and there are about 2000 different ways cards can interact with eachother in any given duel with two decks of 40 cards. You're saying shit like you can't also do the same thing or use cards like Effect Veiler, Ash Blossom or Ghost Mansion to fuck with your opponents.

Yes,man,but the thing is that decks generate so much advantage that first turn hand trap might not even stop them. The game ends in turn 4 nowadays. At least we could actually try to stall and make a comeback,if you board gets broken now,its GG due to otk.

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And which is more boring?

"Ooga booga Mechanicalchaser 1850 ATK beats your Giant Beaver, take 450 damage. I set one card in my spell trap zone and pass my turn"
"Ooga booga i summon goblin attack force and attack Mechanicalchaser..."
.

i actually miss that.dont judge me.

 

[L o g i a]

Yes,man,but the thing is that decks generate so much advantage that first turn hand trap might not even stop them. The game ends in turn 4 nowadays. At least we could actually try to stall and make a comeback,if you board gets broken now,its GG due to otk.

The only deck that could fuck over any handtraps was Tearlaments and that's had so many bans it's a tier 2 deck now.

Game ending in turn 4 is totally fine? Like, you'll see more cards and interaction points and make more decisions and plays in a 4 turn yugioh game than a 12 turn MTG game.

A lot of decks float now anyway. Look at how Fire Kings, Transcendosaurus/Dinos and Nemleria work. These aren't even among the best decks and yet the game is not GG when they're broken in game state. If you're genuinely beaten with a broken board, it's likely a skill issue. From recent personal experience, the current meta is primarily focused on disruption on the opponents turn and that's really fun and makes the game much more interesting for both players

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Like, the shit people lab nowadays is so fun and often funny. Just look at this exodia deck that won a YCS last year
https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/jeff-leonard-exodia-379602

This deck has just 3 cards newer than 2018. Stfu about power creep. I challenge you guys to even figure out how it works without looking it up. If you can't, you'll come to realise the game is all about skill and smart decision-making - which only improves as more card variety is generated through new sets.

 

[Bob74h]

Exactly,Power Creep. Dragon Ruler formate killed the game imo Its was downhill from there. I wish we had official goat format tournaments.

5ds/synchro era ruined the game


they had a focus on speed and every generation of yugioh following kept increasing the pace cause the playerbase by that point was only meta people ie people who go to ycs and use ftk shit



it's to the point that power creep cant even have a synchro era deck face a xyz era deck


gx vs dm era duels are not like that, cause balance was actually somewhat enforced then


even in only anime ygopro tournaments like character deck shit ie less degenerate versions of the tcg deck



it's the case that say a yuma deck stomps a yusei one


or shark stomps jack


so on so forth


it's that way for every gen post gx, any arc v deck shit stomps any zexal one



imagine a game with decades of history of anime manga just to only have the only 3 decks playable all of which being from the recent sets.



that's so stupid, it kills any long term enjoyment cause you cant be a former xyz era player and just play your utopia deck, you have to drop any investment you had prior and buy new decks


i get not everything can be meta but 99 percent of the card pool come on



there's no excuse for this, pokemon tcg dont work this way



imagine being unable to play pikachu cause it's old, get good poke boomer


play new pokemon only.



that would be cancer but that's how modern yugioh works

Given a player can only use max 75 cards unless they can also access their opponents cards, no. The competitive record in a YCS for most summons in a turn is 42 and that was done by a Dark World player 2 years ago.

dishonest



also said billions and thousands



it was hyperbolic as to mean alot of summons in a turn unless you literally thought my stance was that you can summon a literal billion cards per turn



which im hoping your not that dumb

Yeah, after this I know you haven't played in a long time. Old-school was pretty much just a race to summon out beatsticks.

in my experience playing with people


it's generally slow paced, set back row


summon couple of monsters, 1 to 2 in a turn

then again it was not top lv goat cause nobody plays classic yugioh for it's meta, quite the opposite

Now we have all sorts of different strategies. Some act as floodgates. Some want to minimise opponents resources

idk what goes on ycs exactly but from my know how



most just spam out like 20 plus monsters in a turn most just extenders to reach the couple boss monsters



that's from me playing on ygopro and master duel



couple years ago


people literally run hand traps as to counter the combo decks as their called


dont get the label cause 99 percent of the new cards fucntions that way


say for exceptions like elrich but the norm is shit like adamantine and dragon link


at least back when i played


maybe it radically changed but from the looks of it not really

"Ooga booga Mechanicalchaser 1850 ATK beats your Giant Beaver, take 450 damage. I set one card in my spell trap zone and pass my turn"
"Ooga booga i summon goblin attack force and attack Mechanicalchaser..."

OR

Literally any other game with modern cards.

What makes Yugioh fun is the fact it's fast paced and there are about 2000 different ways cards can interact with eachother in any given duel with two decks of 40 cards. You're saying shit like you can't also do the same thing or use cards like Effect Veiler, Ash Blossom or Ghost Mansion to fuck with your opponents.

when you summarize one austically to make it seem brain dead as possible and the other as the best light as possible


you can do this



for anything lol


look at classic yugioh, it has long fun games with enticing back and forth with constant traps as to surpise your opponents


as opposed to modern yugioh which just spams cards and takes no thought, it's very brain dead it's just using the same extenders to get the same boss monsters out


see how easy narrativzing is



your phrasing is dishonest anyway as 2000 cards are not even in the playable card pool


it's probably 100 at most at least in terms of viable cards

had all of the following decks represented in the tournament:
-Kashtira
-Bystial Dragon (Winner - this was like the 8th-10th best deck on paper)
-Runick Adventure
-Floowandereeze
-Rikka Sunavalon
-Branded Adventure
-Unchained
-Fire Kings
-Dark World
-Dino (Transcendosaurus variant)
-Dino (Scrap variant)
-Megalith
-Salad
-Dinomorphia (my favourite deck)
-Thunder-dragon link
-Tearlaments
-Prank Kids
-Sword Soul
-Ghoti Synchro turbo
-Sprite
-Therion Plant
-Tri-Melffy
-Beetrooper

you can enter anything at a tournament man


i can play a goat deck at a tournament



can enter it not going to even last past the first turn but can do that




besides not really disproving much when all these decks are very new

Great, don’t let the door hit you on the way out

not really going to leave unless literally forced sooo


enjoy my company or dont let the door hit you on the way out

 

[NAMELESS]

5ds/synchro era ruined the game


they had a focus on speed and every generation of yugioh following kept increasing the pace cause the playerbase by that point was only meta people ie people who go to ycs and use ftk shit



it's to the point that power creep cant even have a synchro era deck face a xyz era deck


gx vs dm era duels are not like that, cause balance was actually somewhat enforced then


even in only anime ygopro tournaments like character deck shit ie less degenerate versions of the tcg deck



it's the case that say a yuma deck stomps a yusei one


or shark stomps jack


so on so forth


it's that way for every gen post gx, any arc v deck shit stomps any zexal one



imagine a game with decades of history of anime manga just to only have the only 3 decks playable all of which being from the recent sets.



that's so stupid, it kills any long term enjoyment cause you cant be a former xyz era player and just play your utopia deck, you have to drop any investment you had prior and buy new decks


i get not everything can be meta but 99 percent of the card pool come on



there's no excuse for this, pokemon tcg dont work this way



imagine being unable to play pikachu cause it's old, get good poke boomer


play new pokemon only.



that would be cancer but that's how modern yugioh works






dishonest



also said billions and thousands



it was hyperbolic as to mean alot of summons in a turn unless you literally thought my stance was that you can summon a literal billion cards per turn



which im hoping your not that dumb




in my experience playing with people


it's generally slow paced, set back row


summon couple of monsters, 1 to 2 in a turn

then again it was not top lv goat cause nobody plays classic yugioh for it's meta, quite the opposite






idk what goes on ycs exactly but from my know how



most just spam out like 20 plus monsters in a turn most just extenders to reach the couple boss monsters



that's from me playing on ygopro and master duel



couple years ago


people literally run hand traps as to counter the combo decks as their called


dont get the label cause 99 percent of the new cards fucntions that way


say for exceptions like elrich but the norm is shit like adamantine and dragon link


at least back when i played


maybe it radically changed but from the looks of it not really






when you summarize one austically to make it seem brain dead as possible and the other as the best light as possible


you can do this



for anything lol


look at classic yugioh, it has long fun games with enticing back and forth with constant traps as to surpise your opponents


as opposed to modern yugioh which just spams cards and takes no thought, it's very brain dead it's just using the same extenders to get the same boss monsters out


see how easy narrativzing is



your phrasing is dishonest anyway as 2000 cards are not even in the playable card pool


it's probably 100 at most at least in terms of viable cards







you can enter anything at a tournament man


i can play a goat deck at a tournament



can enter it not going to even last past the first turn but can do that




besides not really disproving much when all these decks are very new


not really going to leave unless literally forced sooo


enjoy my company or dont let the door hit you on the way out

Komoney is right in axing/power creeping old deck from a business stand point. They need to sell new cards.

 

[L o g i a]

5ds/synchro era ruined the game


they had a focus on speed and every generation of yugioh following kept increasing the pace cause the playerbase by that point was only meta people ie people who go to ycs and use ftk shit



it's to the point that power creep cant even have a synchro era deck face a xyz era deck


gx vs dm era duels are not like that, cause balance was actually somewhat enforced then


even in only anime ygopro tournaments like character deck shit ie less degenerate versions of the tcg deck



it's the case that say a yuma deck stomps a yusei one


or shark stomps jack


so on so forth


it's that way for every gen post gx, any arc v deck shit stomps any zexal one



imagine a game with decades of history of anime manga just to only have the only 3 decks playable all of which being from the recent sets.



that's so stupid, it kills any long term enjoyment cause you cant be a former xyz era player and just play your utopia deck, you have to drop any investment you had prior and buy new decks


i get not everything can be meta but 99 percent of the card pool come on



there's no excuse for this, pokemon tcg dont work this way



imagine being unable to play pikachu cause it's old, get good poke boomer


play new pokemon only.



that would be cancer but that's how modern yugioh works






dishonest



also said billions and thousands



it was hyperbolic as to mean alot of summons in a turn unless you literally thought my stance was that you can summon a literal billion cards per turn



which im hoping your not that dumb




in my experience playing with people


it's generally slow paced, set back row


summon couple of monsters, 1 to 2 in a turn

then again it was not top lv goat cause nobody plays classic yugioh for it's meta, quite the opposite






idk what goes on ycs exactly but from my know how



most just spam out like 20 plus monsters in a turn most just extenders to reach the couple boss monsters



that's from me playing on ygopro and master duel



couple years ago


people literally run hand traps as to counter the combo decks as their called


dont get the label cause 99 percent of the new cards fucntions that way


say for exceptions like elrich but the norm is shit like adamantine and dragon link


at least back when i played


maybe it radically changed but from the looks of it not really






when you summarize one austically to make it seem brain dead as possible and the other as the best light as possible


you can do this



for anything lol


look at classic yugioh, it has long fun games with enticing back and forth with constant traps as to surpise your opponents


as opposed to modern yugioh which just spams cards and takes no thought, it's very brain dead it's just using the same extenders to get the same boss monsters out


see how easy narrativzing is



your phrasing is dishonest anyway as 2000 cards are not even in the playable card pool


it's probably 100 at most at least in terms of viable cards







you can enter anything at a tournament man


i can play a goat deck at a tournament



can enter it not going to even last past the first turn but can do that




besides not really disproving much when all these decks are very new


not really going to leave unless literally forced sooo


enjoy my company or dont let the door hit you on the way out

All im gonna say is you can't enter a world championships with just any deck. You have to use the deck you used at the YCS tournaments you attended to qualify. I believe you're allowed to make 15 changes across the entirety of your deck, extra deck and side deck (min 70 cards, max 90 cards). If you enter a WCS, you're there to win the whole thing. You're not showing up for fun, there's thousands of $s on the line in prize money for topcut performers. My example is proof of several things all at once:
1. Deck and card diversity
2. Diversity of strategy
3. Diversity of players

Which is basically refuting everything you've been saying.

Dinomorphia in turn 1 summons maximum 2 monsters. Runick doesn't summon any monsters. Prank-Kids on a good turn will pump out 3 monsters. Kashtira summons like max (and this is best case scenario with no opponent interactions) 5 monsters, and it's the best deck give or take for the last 6 months. Not everything is about shitting out a million monsters. Melffy for example is all about ending the battle phase by having your Melffy monster activate its effect and jump back into your hand and replace itself with a different card.

These are FUN game mechanics! The game is even so intricate as decks like Floowandereeze not special summoning at all, and despite the fact it can summon huge numbers of monsters, anything that counters or negates or spins a special summon simply cannot interact with the deck. The existence of this strat alone completely changes how people build their own decks. It's cool. It's a good thing to never know what the hell you're going to deal with.

Now tell me, like I posted about above, how I play Jeff Leonard's Exodia deck. Or alternatively (and this is the only alternative), admit you're just inadequate at the game and have no idea what you're talking about - hence the chip on your shoulder.

Your arguments can all be summarised as 'im too old/much of a nostalgia merchant/afraid of change or actually trying to learn the game, but I can't admit it'.

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Komoney is right in axing/power creeping old deck from a business stand point. They need to sell new cards.

Name a TCG that doesn't have powercreep. One Piece which has been out for like less than 2 years has already completely outgrown and powercrept it's fourth meta and it hasnt even released 4 core sets yet.

 

[NAMELESS]

Given a player can only use max 75 cards unless they can also access their opponents cards, no. The competitive record in a YCS for most summons in a turn is 42 and that was done by a Dark World player 2 years ago.


Yeah, after this I know you haven't played in a long time. Old-school was pretty much just a race to summon out beatsticks. Now we have all sorts of different strategies. Some act as floodgates. Some want to minimise opponents resources. Some want to use opponents cards against them. Some destroy themselves and everything else. Some spam link/xyz/synchro. Some just interrupt opponents. Some abuse the graveyard mechanic. Some are focused on drawing and extension. Some use LP as a resource rather than something to protect. Some us equips. Some focus on tokens. There's a HUGE variety. Like, the difference in the way decks like Nemleria work compared to something like Branded is bigger than night and day.


The majority of tier 0 formats were during and earlier than the 5Ds era.
The latest world championships, full of nothing but people who know the game better than anyone else on the planet (including you), and power creep, etc. etc. had all of the following decks represented in the tournament:
-Kashtira
-Bystial Dragon (Winner - this was like the 8th-10th best deck on paper)
-Runick Adventure
-Floowandereeze
-Rikka Sunavalon
-Branded Adventure
-Unchained
-Fire Kings
-Dark World
-Dino (Transcendosaurus variant)
-Dino (Scrap variant)
-Megalith
-Salad
-Dinomorphia (my favourite deck)
-Thunder-dragon link
-Tearlaments
-Prank Kids
-Sword Soul
-Ghoti Synchro turbo
-Sprite
-Therion Plant
-Tri-Melffy
-Beetrooper

That's 23 decks between 64 players. I've never seen anyone say anything more incorrect about Yugioh in my life.


It's a TRADING card game. You can and most people do TRADE their cards. For me personally, I last spent money out of pocket (and not from card sales) about a year ago. A new set's come out which is really good so I probably will buy a box of Phantom Nightmare packs, but it's not as expensive as you think.


The only TCG that requires anywhere near as much skill is MTG. Yugioh is so intricate, and your dumbed down version is just blatantly wrong. Maybe try and watch some pro duels with commentary or even just follow some content on how decks were played over the years like the YGO Progression Series - you'll see you're just flat out wrong.

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lmao yeah, Dragon Ruler wasn't even the best deck in its own format - that was Spellbook. Dragon Rulers still have some meta use on occasion to this day 13 years later. The powercreep isn't actually that significant. Powercreep was much faster from Duel Monsters to 5Ds than from Zexal to now.

I can tell all you detractors just don't know what you're talking about.

Did i say Dragon Rulers was the best deck?NO. I dropped the game during that format,but returned during HAT format. Dropped again during Nekroz was released. I havent touched the game since,but from the footage i see. The game is even more degenerate now. Btw,that Corey Mcduffie due passed away. RIP.

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The only deck that could fuck over any handtraps was Tearlaments and that's had so many bans it's a tier 2 deck now.

Game ending in turn 4 is totally fine? Like, you'll see more cards and interaction points and make more decisions and plays in a 4 turn yugioh game than a 12 turn MTG game.

A lot of decks float now anyway. Look at how Fire Kings, Transcendosaurus/Dinos and Nemleria work. These aren't even among the best decks and yet the game is not GG when they're broken in game state. If you're genuinely beaten with a broken board, it's likely a skill issue. From recent personal experience, the current meta is primarily focused on disruption on the opponents turn and that's really fun and makes the game much more interesting for both players

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Like, the shit people lab nowadays is so fun and often funny. Just look at this exodia deck that won a YCS last year
https://ygoprodeck.com/deck/jeff-leonard-exodia-379602

This deck has just 3 cards newer than 2018. Stfu about power creep. I challenge you guys to even figure out how it works without looking it up. If you can't, you'll come to realise the game is all about skill and smart decision-making - which only improves as more card variety is generated through new sets.

HOLY SHIT EXODIA WON SOMETHING!

 

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Game too fast for you? We have Goat and Edison Format recognized as tournament. Play those

 

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@L o g i a did any Gravekeeper player top recently?

 

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did you just go on a rant over yugioh?bro?

same guy who makes rants on leftists,pokemon fans,god of war fans and boruto fans


yugioh fans is perfectly in character for me


ive complained about them before on my youtube

you'll come to realise the game is all about skill and smart decision-making - which only improves as more card variety is generated through new sets.

ok bet



run 2005 era destiny heroes


and ill insert whatever meta shit you people like



let's see how far that decision making and skill gets you

Komoney is right in axing/power creeping old deck from a business stand point. They need to sell new cards.

not true when upper deck managed they didt do the new cards are million times stronger shit


dm to gx had no major power creep plus pokemon or magic dont need dbz power levels to sell new cards

Your arguments can all be summarised as 'im too old/much of a nostalgia merchant/afraid of change or actually trying to learn the game, but I can't admit it'.

yours can be summarized as im biased towards modern yugioh so cant admit the flaws with it



when master duel came out on steam


tons of non yugioh players hated it cause of the long uninteractive turns and bad balancing



the only people who defend the game are meta tards who are already very invested in the game financially


it's a sunk cost fallacy, you morons spent thousands on the game so cant really admit the flaws with it as that would you mean you wasted grands on money on nothing



it aint, the yugi boomers being insanely biased people



it's the meta tards, the yugi boomers point out actual issues in the game and you guys just go lol stay mad

 

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Game too fast for you? We have Goat and Edison Format recognized as tournament. Play those

I know people still play those online,but are there actual official tournaments now?Im havent played in a long time.

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All im gonna say is you can't enter a world championships with just any deck. You have to use the deck you used at the YCS tournaments you attended to qualify. I believe you're allowed to make 15 changes across the entirety of your deck, extra deck and side deck (min 70 cards, max 90 cards). If you enter a WCS, you're there to win the whole thing. You're not showing up for fun, there's thousands of $s on the line in prize money for topcut performers. My example is proof of several things all at once:
1. Deck and card diversity
2. Diversity of strategy
3. Diversity of players

Which is basically refuting everything you've been saying.

Dinomorphia in turn 1 summons maximum 2 monsters. Runick doesn't summon any monsters. Prank-Kids on a good turn will pump out 3 monsters. Kashtira summons like max (and this is best case scenario with no opponent interactions) 5 monsters, and it's the best deck give or take for the last 6 months. Not everything is about shitting out a million monsters. Melffy for example is all about ending the battle phase by having your Melffy monster activate its effect and jump back into your hand and replace itself with a different card.

These are FUN game mechanics! The game is even so intricate as decks like Floowandereeze not special summoning at all, and despite the fact it can summon huge numbers of monsters, anything that counters or negates or spins a special summon simply cannot interact with the deck. The existence of this strat alone completely changes how people build their own decks. It's cool. It's a good thing to never know what the hell you're going to deal with.

Now tell me, like I posted about above, how I play Jeff Leonard's Exodia deck. Or alternatively (and this is the only alternative), admit you're just inadequate at the game and have no idea what you're talking about - hence the chip on your shoulder.

Your arguments can all be summarised as 'im too old/much of a nostalgia merchant/afraid of change or actually trying to learn the game, but I can't admit it'.

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Name a TCG that doesn't have powercreep. One Piece which has been out for like less than 2 years has already completely outgrown and powercrept it's fourth meta and it hasnt even released 4 core sets yet.

Its business,i get it.

 

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@L o g i a did any Gravekeeper player top recently?

There have been gravekeeper tops at regional levels. One guy came runner up in the regional for my area last year. Not sure it's done better than top 16 at YCS's or Nationals though

 

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@Bob74h @L o g i a you guys are getting heated,why not solve this with a duel?loser goes to the shadow realm.