Powers & Abilities Zoans were a mistake

#23
They weren't.

First, only Paramecia and Logia would fall short; three is the magical number and a trio tends to work better than a duo. That aside, animals are widely liked (and for an artist it gives you more to work than just designing humans), they provide natural hierarchies to work with (carnivorous versus herbivorous, current < prehistoric < mythical, etc.) and, on top of it, there's a whole plot regarding devil fruits and experimentation on their nature to be explored through the Zoan type (and, in my opinion, the concept of artificial zoans, object with zoans, Vegapunk's research on animal cyborgs...) which in my opinion is, by far, the most interesting thing Oda has done with fruits.

So no, they weren't a mistake. They are needed for many reasons, including a whole plot on what devil fruits are and how they work. If anything, I'll agree that Oda could have made a better use of them, but the concept itself is good.
 
#24
Well the mythical Zoans have very interesting abilities. The other Zoan are cool design wise but that's it.

I keep complaining about the hype of Zoan regeneration and toughness especially ancient zoans because, what is shown in the manga, is actually everyone have the same/ even more toughness. Look at the sccabbards and Kanjurou for example.
The scabbards and kanjuro are not tougher than the ancient zoans lmao
 
#26
Magic number? I got you. Make 'em 1 instead. Logias are basically advanced paramecias.
Logias aren't advanced paramecias at all, don't be ridiculous. If anything, the only class you should defend is Paramecia; logias are equally dispensable, aren't they? And please, don't even answer me from a power scaling perspective ("bruh logia the strongest") or I will just laugh my ass of at your philistine approach at a creative work.

I like pizzas and shitposting yet you would never see me demanding a pizza devil fruit or a shitposting devil fruit. Joking aside, artists like drawing animals? Then draw animals like chouchou, bananagators, kungfu dugong, eyelashes. Draw men controlling prehistoric animals Moriah-style. Nobody wants to see a man sticking out of a chicken's ass, or a man with an awkward looking mammoth head, or L drake trying hard to grab his axe with his short ass arms.
Are you seriously comparing the thousands of potential designs, abilities, etc. from animal species with pizza and shitposting? This isn't just about liking animals but the fact that they are an integral figure of our public imagination. Animals are more important than pizza and shitposting for both most authors and most readers, and not only that, but any fantasy world needs them and are one of the richest sources of rhetoric material —if not the richest.

Vegapunk can experiment on animals and create cool cyborgs without needing zoans. Artificial devil fruits are also a big fucking joke. Just make cyborgs (with or without animal parts) or weaponized humans.
It's not about creating cyborgs but exploring devil fruits and how they work through the zoan subplot. You can't do that by adding cannons to a gorilla. Artificial fruits are a joke in the way Oda handled them, but the concept is perfect for his universe.

Your only decent argument is that artificial zoans could lead to an interesting plot point regarding the devil fruits origin. That's yet to be seen. But even if that's the case, I really doubt that Oda couldn't have fleshed that plot thread with just paramecias and perhaps artificial paramecias.
Paramecias don't have DNA nor can provide life to objects; animals do. It's obvious what Oda is doing with this subplot of years, and whether you like it or not, zoans have been the most important class of devil fruit since the timeskip (and for good reason).

Anyways, you are overcomplicating this: Oda likes animals and made a class of them. Period. I don't need any "decent argument", the fact that you're looking down on animals and their potential and focusing your whole rant on how "useless" you think they are is laughable enough for me to not take you serious at all because it's clear you aren't thinking as an artist, therefore your takes on how to create a piece of creative work is irrelevant.
 
#28
The main point is written after "joking aside" not before it.
After your "jokes aside" you're saying that "Nobody wants to see a man sticking out of a chicken's ass, or a man with an awkward looking mammoth head, or L drake trying hard to grab his axe with his short ass arms"; which is false; especially because we have a variety of animal designs so you can pick your favourite.

Again, if you want to complain, complain about Oda's actual use of zoans, not a perfectly valid concept like this class is.
 
#38
I mean looking at queen and page one I'd say not all zoans are equal and that you can't just assume this one attribute trumps someone else who doesn't have the same fruit or a fruit at all.
Oh but I agree Queen is the only ancient zoan that living up to the hype of it's toughness I won't deny that. The other close to him is ulti and maybe Jack but that's it. Sasaki, who's who, p1, Drake and even King (his durability is more bcs of his flame than his ancient zoan power), they don't live up to the hype, and that means majority of ancient zoan users.
 
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