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How? Did you see the punishment he took in Dressrosa? On top of him tanking buso punches from Big Mom after the attacks he already took on the Rooftop? He didn't get any restores in between that time btw
And how is Kid's below theirs?
He facetanked a Homie coated Napoleon attack from Big Mom and kept going like it was nothing WHILE being injured by Hawkins and continued to be attacked by Big Mom while not being able to block
Luffy and Zoro aren't these endurance gods that stand above everyone
Luffy Law Zoro and Kid are all around the same level endurance wise
And how is Kid's below theirs?
He facetanked a Homie coated Napoleon attack from Big Mom and kept going like it was nothing WHILE being injured by Hawkins and continued to be attacked by Big Mom while not being able to block
Luffy and Zoro aren't these endurance gods that stand above everyone
Luffy Law Zoro and Kid are all around the same level endurance wise
All of that doesn't even constitute less than half the damage Luffy took, forget about Zoro, who went even beyond that. Law couldn't even believe Zoro can move after blocking Hakai. Law himself is an endurance monster with medical experience, so when even he couldn't believe what Zoro was doing, it means he took an amount of damage that Law himself couldn't handle, and this is before leaving Rooftop.
They aren't Gods by any stretch of logic, but they're well above their peers from the alliance.
No, Kid took far less damage and was on the ground unable to do anything. When Kaido went down after killing Luffy, their subordinates needed to step in to save them from getting killed by Kaido's foot soldiers, meaning they both hit their limits. They're monsters in their own right but they're just not as good as Luffy and Zoro, period.
They aren't Gods by any stretch of logic, but they're well above their peers from the alliance.
No, Kid took far less damage and was on the ground unable to do anything. When Kaido went down after killing Luffy, their subordinates needed to step in to save them from getting killed by Kaido's foot soldiers, meaning they both hit their limits. They're monsters in their own right but they're just not as good as Luffy and Zoro, period.
Please?
Kid literally tanked Big Mum and her Bigger Mum form straight up in his face for how long? He tanked Kaidos attack before. He didnt paused for any minute of the fight (Like Luffy several times, like Zoro more times), he didnt get any medics inbetween, didnt rest at all AND he got heavily injured from outside of the fight by Hawkins.
Kid is THE endurance and defense Monster in Onigashima right now.
Kid literally tanked Big Mum and her Bigger Mum form straight up in his face for how long? He tanked Kaidos attack before. He didnt paused for any minute of the fight (Like Luffy several times, like Zoro more times), he didnt get any medics inbetween, didnt rest at all AND he got heavily injured from outside of the fight by Hawkins.
Kid is THE endurance and defense Monster in Onigashima right now.
Pan, Kaido landed 0 hits on Kid on the panel during the entire fight. There is no doubt Kid took a lot of damage during his endeavor but the damage he took is nowhere near what Zoro and Luffy suffered. Taking a rest for a few minutes doesn't make the damage you took completely disappear. Kid takes the cake for being as resilient as he was but his ceiling is much lower than Luffy's and Zoro's as far as it concerns endurance.
Zoro took Hakai used Asura and then fell. You’re acting like he continued to fight like normal after he took Hakai
He cut Prometheus for a bit, was saved by Law, used Asura and then was unable to fight after his own attack. Then he was able to fight King after being given the Mink Medicine
This is also false. Where do people get this idea that Luffy and Zoro stand on this plateau far above everyone else? If we’re talking strictly endurance this just isn’t true
Luffy got knocked out multiple times and ate food which is basically his equivalent of healing
We don’t know how much damage Kid took because the fight was offscreen but we DO know that Kid took damage from Hawkins banging his head on a wall while also being hit by Big Mom’s attacks with 0 defense. How many people can tank a named Hera charged Napoleon swing from Big Mom and keep going? On top of the fact that he KEPT eating attacks even after that
Also, Awakening takes a large amount of stamina, no? Naturally that would also effect their performance. Law’s fruit naturally drains his stamina + he was spamming his awakening. Kid used his awakening 2 different times
They are just as good as Luffy and Zoro
He had a big whole in his stomach, ate Big Mums hits straight up in the face, tanked Bigger Mum, but you say he didnt got anything near to Zoro, which got an attack from Big Mum and Kaido (not Bigger Mum, not Hybrid Kaido)? Thats not the same level.
Oda showed clearly, Kid is lacking AD for now. But his defense and endurance are on another level. He is THE TANK of the SN.
Luffy has the AP and big defence, Law has Hax and Tactics, but Kid is the tank and he showed in the whole raid.
+ what @Luffywankishere said
And... Taking rest for a few minutes brings magic ALWAYS to Luffy and Zoro. Remember Dressrosa? Remember the breaks between Kaido fights when he fall to the sea? Rest brings alot in One Piece.
Oda showed clearly, Kid is lacking AD for now. But his defense and endurance are on another level. He is THE TANK of the SN.
Luffy has the AP and big defence, Law has Hax and Tactics, but Kid is the tank and he showed in the whole raid.
+ what @Luffywankishere said
And... Taking rest for a few minutes brings magic ALWAYS to Luffy and Zoro. Remember Dressrosa? Remember the breaks between Kaido fights when he fall to the sea? Rest brings alot in One Piece.
The thing is, Hakai alone inflicted so much more damage than Law, the person we're comparing with Zoro, couldn't believe Zoro can even move. When you say something like that about someone, you're certainly not thinking, "Oh, I could totally pull it off," in your head. Zoro exceeded Law's expectations, helped in getting rid of Big Mom, and saved Luffy by scarring Kaido with whatever was left of his strength.
From the fact that they took more damage than their peers and still continued to fight while their friends that we're comparing them to were looking at them with their jaws dropped?
While I agree food helps Luffy recover better than others, it's BS to say all the damage just suddenly disappeared just because he took some rest. It was reiterated multiple times, both before as well as after Luffy took a rest, that he was on the verge of his limits while fighting Kaido. He still took multiple killing blows from Kaido and kept on fighting—Hell, he literally died before awakening kicked in.
To put things into perspective, one Thunder Bagua had Law on the ground for a while, which would've given Kaido enough time to crush Law's skull. Luffy took more than one of those from a stronger version of Kaido to the head, not to the gut, which is where Law was hit.
Well, we can't speak for what we can't confirm. Kid did take an unbelievable amount of damage—There is no denying it. But he simply did not take as much damage as Luffy, which, by extension, means he did not take nearly as much damage as Zoro.
Awkening takes a large amount of stamina, and so does excessive use of Haki. Luffy used both awakening as well as excessive Haki while Zoro's use of excessive Haki is dangerously high. They also used these modes longer than Law and Kid used awakening. Kid and Law are good and they're in a league of their own but they're simply not as good as Luffy and Zoro.
As far as it concerns endurance Zoro>Luffy>Kid>Law, period.
From the fact that they took more damage than their peers and still continued to fight while their friends that we're comparing them to were looking at them with their jaws dropped?
While I agree food helps Luffy recover better than others, it's BS to say all the damage just suddenly disappeared just because he took some rest. It was reiterated multiple times, both before as well as after Luffy took a rest, that he was on the verge of his limits while fighting Kaido. He still took multiple killing blows from Kaido and kept on fighting—Hell, he literally died before awakening kicked in.
To put things into perspective, one Thunder Bagua had Law on the ground for a while, which would've given Kaido enough time to crush Law's skull. Luffy took more than one of those from a stronger version of Kaido to the head, not to the gut, which is where Law was hit.
Well, we can't speak for what we can't confirm. Kid did take an unbelievable amount of damage—There is no denying it. But he simply did not take as much damage as Luffy, which, by extension, means he did not take nearly as much damage as Zoro.
Awkening takes a large amount of stamina, and so does excessive use of Haki. Luffy used both awakening as well as excessive Haki while Zoro's use of excessive Haki is dangerously high. They also used these modes longer than Law and Kid used awakening. Kid and Law are good and they're in a league of their own but they're simply not as good as Luffy and Zoro.
As far as it concerns endurance Zoro>Luffy>Kid>Law, period.
If someone exceeds your expectations and you’re surprised it doesn’t mean you’re incapable of replicating that feat. It means it’s impressive regardless. Either way I’m not arguing against Zoro having crazy endurance here. I’m arguing that you could put Law and Kid around their level especially Kid
Luffy took damage, was saved by Law’s crew, was given a TON of meat and time to rest that Law and Kid didn’t get.
Yes, one Thunder Bagua put Law on his ass after he had already taken damage from other attacks. You wanna know who else got floored by a single attack from Kaido? Luffy, who got knocked out by Ragnarok and saw stars for a whole chapter. What happened to his endurance there? Aren’t Luffy and Zoro on a whole other level?
He did not take as much as Luffy (who got to eat and rest) yes, and didn’t take as much damage as Zoro who doesn’t have a fruit awakening that actively drains his stamina.
When did Zoro use excessive Haki? That was never pointed out.
If you’re talking about during the King fight then Zoro at that point had taken much much less damage than Law let alone Kid. It all adds up
Luffy already had a chance to rest and eat by that point
Luffy took damage, was saved by Law’s crew, was given a TON of meat and time to rest that Law and Kid didn’t get.
Yes, one Thunder Bagua put Law on his ass after he had already taken damage from other attacks. You wanna know who else got floored by a single attack from Kaido? Luffy, who got knocked out by Ragnarok and saw stars for a whole chapter. What happened to his endurance there? Aren’t Luffy and Zoro on a whole other level?
He did not take as much as Luffy (who got to eat and rest) yes, and didn’t take as much damage as Zoro who doesn’t have a fruit awakening that actively drains his stamina.
When did Zoro use excessive Haki? That was never pointed out.
If you’re talking about during the King fight then Zoro at that point had taken much much less damage than Law let alone Kid. It all adds up
Luffy already had a chance to rest and eat by that point
as impressive it is to tank Hakai for a second, it is an by non hybrid Kaido and non bigger mum. Both were on their base, needed no preparation and didn’t suffered from any sign of effort.
Keeping that in mind, I don’t how Hakai shall be stronger then their all out attacks, which were straight up taken by Luffy and Kid.
Becoming hybrid and going bigger mum pushed both a lot and they showed a lot of effort in their attacks later, which simply shows these attacks are above Hakai.
endurance and Defence:
Kid>Luffy>Zoro=>Law
Kid lacks AP for now, but his Defence and endurance is yonko level, period.
Keeping that in mind, I don’t how Hakai shall be stronger then their all out attacks, which were straight up taken by Luffy and Kid.
Becoming hybrid and going bigger mum pushed both a lot and they showed a lot of effort in their attacks later, which simply shows these attacks are above Hakai.
endurance and Defence:
Kid>Luffy>Zoro=>Law
Kid lacks AP for now, but his Defence and endurance is yonko level, period.
The high astonishing all encompassing ultra iper ginormously glaring Lord Zoro shall unleash a level of potency that will shock the foundations of most downplayers' delusions who are confined in a bubble of bias disallowing their brains to process the right patterns.
He is the true ultimate Lord, the chosen one that shall ultimately surpass even Prime Ryuma.
He is the true ultimate Lord, the chosen one that shall ultimately surpass even Prime Ryuma.
Well, it's not always the case but it does mean exactly that in this context because Zoro blocked an attack that none of the Rooftopnova could even think of opposing. Law and Zoro are peers of the same caliber regardless of who's better than who and Zoro actually boasts better physical stats than Law. And, Law, being a skilled swordsman himself, should understand that better than anyone else. When you're shocked that someone physically more imposing than you could pull something off, then it obviously means that you too aren't capable of pulling it off.
In contrast, Law didn't even bother acknowledging the damage Kid's taking during Big Mom's fight. He's actually mocking Kid for being a dead weight because he knows the damage he was taking is containable for someone of his level.
Luffy and Zoro factually took much more damage, period. That's why they're on the death door while Law and Kid are relatively fine in comparison. I am not even sure why people would even try to deny it. Your own argument totally goes against, what you're saying. You're trying to imply they took similar amounts of damage and you're saying they're all on the same level in terms of endurance, then how is it Luffy and Zoro are still in need of emergency medical care while Law and Kid can stand there and celebrate Luffy's victory?
Law did take some damage during the off-panel battle, as did every other Rooftopnova and he took one regular swing from Kaido while guarding himself with Curtain, and then he took Thunder Bagua to the gut and was put on the ground for a bit. Ragnarock is a substantially more powerful attack than Thunder Bagua, and Luffy went on to withstand both TB as well as Ragnarock, although a weaker version, during the latter half of the battle. Guess who remained completely conscious after taking TB besides Law? Zoro with more than 30 broken bones.
Which one do you think is more impressive? Law getting on the ground from one named attack or Zoro regaining consciousness from taking the same attack while being on the verge of death?
Zoro's been using excessive Haki since the beginning of Rooftop. That's what Enma does—Haki drain was literally threatening his life. Zoro took less damage from King than Kid and Law did against Big Mom but the overall damage accumulated comes back to Zoro as soon as the drug's effect disappears, and it did come back to him after King's fight.
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The "for a second" part of Kid's dialogue was a figure of speech. It's like how we say, "Gimme a second," in the real world. Zoro withstood it for longer than a second. And neither Bigger Mom nor Drunken Kaido grew so exponentially stronger than they can individually produce attacks stronger than Hybrid Kaido and Big Mom combined. I mean, Bigger Mom is stronger than Big Mom but she's not so much stronger that she can beat Hybrid Kaido and Big Mom from Chapter-1009. Bigger Mom couldn't even beat Kid and Law, forget about Big Mom and Hybrid Kaido.
No offense but Big Mom's ultimate attack is a joke compared to Hakai. Both Law and Kid took her ultimate attack and were relatively fine while Hakai would've wiped out all five Rooftopnova if it hit. Hakai is by far the strongest attack in the series barring Bajrang Gun.
In contrast, Law didn't even bother acknowledging the damage Kid's taking during Big Mom's fight. He's actually mocking Kid for being a dead weight because he knows the damage he was taking is containable for someone of his level.
Luffy and Zoro factually took much more damage, period. That's why they're on the death door while Law and Kid are relatively fine in comparison. I am not even sure why people would even try to deny it. Your own argument totally goes against, what you're saying. You're trying to imply they took similar amounts of damage and you're saying they're all on the same level in terms of endurance, then how is it Luffy and Zoro are still in need of emergency medical care while Law and Kid can stand there and celebrate Luffy's victory?
Law did take some damage during the off-panel battle, as did every other Rooftopnova and he took one regular swing from Kaido while guarding himself with Curtain, and then he took Thunder Bagua to the gut and was put on the ground for a bit. Ragnarock is a substantially more powerful attack than Thunder Bagua, and Luffy went on to withstand both TB as well as Ragnarock, although a weaker version, during the latter half of the battle. Guess who remained completely conscious after taking TB besides Law? Zoro with more than 30 broken bones.
Which one do you think is more impressive? Law getting on the ground from one named attack or Zoro regaining consciousness from taking the same attack while being on the verge of death?
Zoro's been using excessive Haki since the beginning of Rooftop. That's what Enma does—Haki drain was literally threatening his life. Zoro took less damage from King than Kid and Law did against Big Mom but the overall damage accumulated comes back to Zoro as soon as the drug's effect disappears, and it did come back to him after King's fight.
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The "for a second" part of Kid's dialogue was a figure of speech. It's like how we say, "Gimme a second," in the real world. Zoro withstood it for longer than a second. And neither Bigger Mom nor Drunken Kaido grew so exponentially stronger than they can individually produce attacks stronger than Hybrid Kaido and Big Mom combined. I mean, Bigger Mom is stronger than Big Mom but she's not so much stronger that she can beat Hybrid Kaido and Big Mom from Chapter-1009. Bigger Mom couldn't even beat Kid and Law, forget about Big Mom and Hybrid Kaido.
No offense but Big Mom's ultimate attack is a joke compared to Hakai. Both Law and Kid took her ultimate attack and were relatively fine while Hakai would've wiped out all five Rooftopnova if it hit. Hakai is by far the strongest attack in the series barring Bajrang Gun.
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