Powers & Abilities Zoro and Oden (also falls under Question as well)

[bennbeckman]

Do you think of Zoro's Skill compared to Oden, when or if he has yet to surpass him?

Thoughts?

I havent seen a poll i have only seen a Vs Battle post, this is different, but if there is one with a poll similar to this Mods just merge my post

 

[Erkan12]

First he needs to show CoC Haki, then maybe.

 

[bennbeckman]

First he needs to show CoC Haki, then maybe.

Fair point

 

[Chaves]

Zoro will only be able to overcome/match him when he manages to turn Wado Ichimonji into a black sword, and that will only be in his final fight against Mihawk

 

[Finalbeta]

First he needs to show CoC Haki, then maybe.

Why?

A good enough CoA will suffice. We don't even know what CoC can do just yet.

 

[style]

Wait...so after the « If you are a swordsman but not pursue actilvely to be the WSS, the WSS title does not apply to you », now we have « if You do not have a black blade but never try to turn your blade black, that does not mean that you could not turn it black ».

The length that some of you are willing to go...it’s amazing to me. Really.

And by the way I do not remember to read that Zoro was actively trying to turn Enma, or any blades, black. Therefore it will not happened because he tried but because he could.


The Zoro/Oden case is really interesting because we can see here why some people think that Oda is a bad powerscaller. I mean:

-Oda has created a super duper Chad named Oden
-He gave that super duper Chad a blade named Enma
-He gave that blade to Zoro and explained that except for Zoro and the super duper Chad Oden no one was able to tamed the blade

Quizz: What do you think Oda wanted to portray here?:

1/ Anyone with haki could tamed Enma, Zoro only happened to be the second
2/Zoro shared some similarities with the super duper Chad
3/ Leroy Jenkins

Next:
-Oda created a scene to explain that Zoro could turn Enma black, thing that the super duper Chad Oden never do.
-He even add that Zoro could make the blade gain a rank.

Quizz: What Oda tried to portray here?:

1/Turning a blade black mean nothing
2/Zoro has the potential to surpass Oden by doing something he never do
3/ Oden never try to turn the blade vlzck
4/ Leroy Jenkins

It is not that Oda is a bad powerscaller is that some of you refuse to acknowledge clear cut portrayal when it contradict your powerscaling.
None of the people saying that Zoro will not surpass Oden at the end of Wano gave a narrative or symbolic reason to it. It is all about their tier list as if somehow their tier list are above the narrative work of Oda. And then when proved wrong they will complain that Oda is bad at power scaling
The Audacity

Rivaille has already answered this question very well.
The correct answer is either yes or Leroy Jenkins, since that the latter one is a meme do the math

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

First he needs to show CoC Haki, then maybe.

You don't need CoC to surpass Oden

 

[Marimo_420]

"You're by far the mightiest swordsman I've ever seen. In terms of power, I Kaido declare you the strongest!!!!"

Don't come crying to me when you realised I spoiled the ending of Wano for you.

 

[bennbeckman]

Rivaille has already answered this question very well.
The correct answer is either yes or Leroy Jenkins, since that the latter one is a meme do the math

LEROOOOOOOOY JENKINS

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Zoro will only be able to overcome/match him when he manages to turn Wado Ichimonji into a black sword, and that will only be in his final fight against Mihawk

Why use Wado Ichimonji as a measuring stick instead of the sword that both men have in common? Hitetsu explicitly states "Depending on YOU it can turn black", so there's none of Oden's residual Haki in the sword or anything.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I think he will be on his level at least

With what Kaido said in chapter 993 about wanting to see a monstruous samurai like Oden etc..it sets up Zoro to be on this level

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Oden never made a black blade but for Zoro to even MATCH him, he needs a black blade and specifically Wado Ichimonji ?
This is incredible, congratulations champ.

Zoro will only be able to overcome/match him when he manages to turn Wado Ichimonji into a black sword, and that will only be in his final fight against Mihawk

 

[Chaves]

Why use Wado Ichimonji as a measuring stick instead of the sword that both men have in common? Hitetsu explicitly states "Depending on YOU it can turn black", so there's none of Oden's residual Haki in the sword or anything.

Dude, go read what Onimaro says about black swords. It doesn't make any sense that I keep touching the key

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Dude, go read what Onimaro says about black swords. It doesn't make any sense that I keep touching the key

If Onimaru is right then Zoro would cap out at a single black blade and not surpass Ryuma or Mihawk (who both already have one). Zoro's gonna go beyond the two of them by having multiple. And since Zoro will do it in such a short amount of time, it'll make him even more special.

 

[Chaves]

If Onimaru is right then Zoro would cap out at a single black blade and not surpass Ryuma or Mihawk (who both already have one). Zoro's gonna go beyond the two of them by having multiple. And since Zoro will do it in such a short amount of time, it'll make him even more special.

Onimaru said that Ryuma conquered his black blade throughout his history of combat with his swords.
Zoro has no history with enma, he inherited it 2 weeks ago and barely used it, if Zoro makes her black it is because Oden has already made Enma a sword strong enough for Zoro to just finish the job.

Zoro created a history with Wado for several years and that sword was in all his battles, so Zoro making it black would be 100% his merit.
It is not difficult to understand

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Onimaru said that Ryuma conquered his black blade throughout his history of combat with his swords.
Zoro has no history with enma, he inherited it 2 weeks ago and barely used it, if Zoro makes her black it is because Oden has already made Enma a sword strong enough for Zoro to just finish the job.

Zoro created a history with Wado for several years and that sword was in all his battles, so Zoro making it black would be 100% his merit.
It is not difficult to understand

This is your headcanon. It says depending on you.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Zoro will "surpass" Oden by blackening Enma but Oden still got more strength than Zoro.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

Zoro will "surpass" Oden by blackening Enma but Oden still got more strength than Zoro.

Just wait for Kaido to start comparing Zoro to Oden

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Zoro will "surpass" Oden by blackening Enma but Oden still got more strength than Zoro.

But Zoro will replicate Oden feat etc against a stronger kaido then the one Oden fought

I would say that Oden would have more strength