Powers & Abilities Zoro and Sanji will not fight calamities

#81
No, that means Sanji has way better durability, every time he fought he was also withstanding the force from his own attack.



yes, because they are indestructible


what else you call swords that give you instant power boost and can't be destroyed?


take him out? wut? He was just trying to hold him down.


It does if Oda shows them attacking enemy at the same time.

It doesn't when the combined attack only results one person doing the attack like Luffy red hawk & Law vs Doffy
Zoro has already had one of his swords destroyed. That proves his swords are not indestructible, or at least not yet. Zoro can possibly make his swords indestructible by forging them black.
 
#84
Which once again is irrelevant if Zoro can make up for it with a weapon and can take attacks Sanji with his body can´t.
no it's not irrelevant because that means his durability is only half of Sanji's

No because he uses Haki on them, literally Mihawk stated this
oh rly? he used haki on Wado in East Blue against Mihawk?
That's why Mihawk failed to destroy Wado?
Is Mihawk that weak?

oh, so all named swords come with haki now? Once again proving swords make the swordsman

No, he wanted to take him out, the Strawhats were supposed to sit it out until Fuji was ready for his bet
when you say " take him out" you mean kill him?
Why would he use gravity against him then? The same gravity that fodder withstood and escaped.

It doesn't there are many instances in which stronger and weaker people attack together
Like what?

it means alot. Even if you wanna low ball it and make it 40%. It means he matched 40% of Yonko power
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Zoro has already had one of his swords destroyed. That proves his swords are not indestructible, or at least not yet. Zoro can possibly make his swords indestructible by forging then black.
No, his sword was rusted away.
It wasn't destroyed from the physical attack, it was from aging.

2 different things.
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Yes, it called working on the basic. Even a 20 year martial art master still works on the basics.
ok, that means taming enma is nothing special. You only need the basics.
Thank you :cheers:
 
#85
no it's not irrelevant because that means his durability is only half of Sanji's


oh rly? he used haki on Wado in East Blue against Mihawk?
That's why Mihawk failed to destroy Wado?
Is Mihawk that weak?


oh, so all named swords come with haki now? Once again proving swords make the swordsman


when you say " take him out" you mean kill him?
Why would he use gravity against him then? The same gravity that fodder withstood and escaped.


Like what?


it means alot. Even if you wanna low ball it and make it 40%. It means he matched 40% of Yonko power
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No, his sword was rusted away.
It wasn't destroyed from the physical attack, it was from aging.

2 different things.
It was destroyed.

Don't forget that Mihawk destroyed two of his swords.
 
#87
no it's not irrelevant because that means his durability is only half of Sanji's


oh rly? he used haki on Wado in East Blue against Mihawk?
That's why Mihawk failed to destroy Wado?
Is Mihawk that weak?


oh, so all named swords come with haki now? Once again proving swords make the swordsman


when you say " take him out" you mean kill him?
Why would he use gravity against him then? The same gravity that fodder withstood and escaped.


Like what?


it means alot. Even if you wanna low ball it and make it 40%. It means he matched 40% of Yonko power
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No, his sword was rusted away.
It wasn't destroyed from the physical attack, it was from aging.

2 different things.
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ok, that means taming enma is nothing special. You only need the basics.
Thank you :cheers:
No, it means it does not matter how skilled you become you still work on your basic, it's builts your foundation.
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nibba, it was rusted away with the powers of rust rust fruit.


YES, he destroyed 2 NORMAL swords.
While he FAILED to destroyed Wado, the named sword. GOOD JOB for proving my point :pepeke:
So you are saying that mihawk could not have destroyed wado..... lol. He used the minimal attack possible and destroyed two of his swords.

Oda tells us that the only way to make swords indestructible is with black haki. Yet, you somehow know more then him.
 
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#89
no it's not irrelevant because that means his durability is only half of Sanji's


oh rly? he used haki on Wado in East Blue against Mihawk?
That's why Mihawk failed to destroy Wado?
Is Mihawk that weak?


oh, so all named swords come with haki now? Once again proving swords make the swordsman


when you say " take him out" you mean kill him?
Why would he use gravity against him then? The same gravity that fodder withstood and escaped.


Like what?


it means alot. Even if you wanna low ball it and make it 40%. It means he matched 40% of Yonko power
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No, his sword was rusted away.
It wasn't destroyed from the physical attack, it was from aging.

2 different things.
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ok, that means taming enma is nothing special. You only need the basics.
Thank you :cheers:
Which ultimately it still becomes irrelevant since Zoro has his swords, not that anything you say is true anyway, but even if it was, Zoro still has his swords.

Nobody disputed swords can have grades but they are not indestructible until Haki is used on them. Shusui´s specialty is its hardness, literally stated it comes from Haki.

see above.

No, incapacitate him, he needed him for the future after all. Which fodder escaped gravity?

Chopper + Luffy in Wa No, Franky + Zoro in Thriller Bark, Franky + Robin + Zoro + Sanji + Luffy in Thriller Bark, Zoro + Kinemon + Brook in Punk Hazard, Brook and Kinemon in Punk Hazard, Luffy and Mr2 in Impel Down....

It doesn´t though. It´s obvious Luffy did the majority of the work.
 
#90
Nibba... you just said "no" to my answer that you need to do basics to tame enma, but then say yourself that you need to work on your basics to tame it...
No, do twist my words around. I'm saying that it doesn't matter how strong you become you always work on your basics. That builds up a strong foundation. That's especially important whenever you gain a new weapon, in this instance a new sword.

Enma will feel different than any of his other swords, may even have a slightly different weight. Working on the basics with that sword will help him get used to how it feels.
 
#91
King and Queen are obvious set-ups for Zoro and Sanji's opponents. Luffy's heavy hitters getting the enemy's heavy hitters has always been a thing and always will be a thing. It's not getting anywhere over big, scary power levels. If they're not at that level, then Oda will make it so through power-ups and mid arc battles, hence Zoro getting Enma and Sanji's Raidsuit.

Oda said this will be the Straw Hats' most difficult battle yet. How can it live up to his hype if the Whitebeard Pirates are doing their homework for them?
 
#92
So you are saying that mihawk could not have destroyed wado..... lol. He used the minimal attack possible and destroyed two of his swords
Why didn't he destroy Wado then? Why would he destroy the sword in both FURTHEST away from one another while Wado was the closest one?
Destroying normal swords is nothing special.

Oda tells us that the only way to make swords indestructible is with black haki. Yet, you somehow know more then him
Mihawk ask if Zolo's swords were destroyed once and he says yes because Mihawk destroyed those 2 UNNAMED, fodder swords.
They wouldn't have been destroyed if he had used haki.

No, do twist my words around. I'm saying that it doesn't matter how strong you become you always work on your basics. That builds up a strong foundation. That's especially important whenever you gain a new weapon, in this instance a new sword.

Enma will feel different than any of his other swords, may even have a slightly different weight. Working on the basics with that sword will help him get used to how it feels.
So same shit like when you get new shoes so you have to run around or wear them for few sessions to get used to them?

Which ultimately it still becomes irrelevant since Zoro has his swords, not that anything you say is true anyway, but even if it was, Zoro still has his swords.
It's relevant because it means for example in Ennies Lobby Jabura would only needed to deal half the damage as he did to Sanji in order to suffer the same wounds.
He can have his swords but doesn't mean he can't be hit :pepeke:

Nobody disputed swords can have grades but they are not indestructible until Haki is used on them. Shusui´s specialty is its hardness, literally stated it comes from Haki
Mihawk failed to destroy Wado, while was able to destroy 2 fodder swords. Unless you want to say Mihawk is so weak he can't destroy Wado, that means named swords are indestructible or needs someone stronger than Mihawk to destroy them.

no, shusui was heaviness. And it's not specialty it's a characteristic.
It's specialty is that it increases users power output.


Literally answered nothing.

No, incapacitate him, he needed him for the future after all.
So the same shit I said that he only wanted to hold him down....

Which fodder escaped gravity?
The one Luffy and Franky were interrogating

Chopper + Luffy in Wa No, Franky + Zoro in Thriller Bark, Franky + Robin + Zoro + Sanji + Luffy in Thriller Bark, Zoro + Kinemon + Brook in Punk Hazard, Brook and Kinemon in Punk Hazard, Luffy and Mr2 in Impel Down.
half of those aren't hitting target at the same time like SH TB combo.

and other half is what I was saying. Like Kinemon&Zolo destroying steel door with the same amount of force- 50/50.
It doesn't mean Kinemon is as strong as Zolo but they both used the same amount to cut the door.

Same with Sanji. I wasn't saying that Sanji is the same strength as Luffy, it's that they used same amount of strength to match BM.
It doesn´t though. It´s obvious Luffy did the majority of the work
ok, how you know that?
 
#94
Why didn't he destroy Wado then? Why would he destroy the sword in both FURTHEST away from one another while Wado was the closest one?
Destroying normal swords is nothing special.


Mihawk ask if Zolo's swords were destroyed once and he says yes because Mihawk destroyed those 2 UNNAMED, fodder swords.
They wouldn't have been destroyed if he had used haki.


So same shit like when you get new shoes so you have to run around or wear them for few sessions to get used to them?


It's relevant because it means for example in Ennies Lobby Jabura would only needed to deal half the damage as he did to Sanji in order to suffer the same wounds.
He can have his swords but doesn't mean he can't be hit :pepeke:


Mihawk failed to destroy Wado, while was able to destroy 2 fodder swords. Unless you want to say Mihawk is so weak he can't destroy Wado, that means named swords are indestructible or needs someone stronger than Mihawk to destroy them.


no, shusui was heaviness. And it's not specialty it's a characteristic.
It's specialty is that it increases users power output.



Literally answered nothing.



So the same shit I said that he only wanted to hold him down....


The one Luffy and Franky were interrogating


half of those aren't hitting target at the same time like SH TB combo.

and other half is what I was saying. Like Kinemon&Zolo destroying steel door with the same amount of force- 50/50.
It doesn't mean Kinemon is as strong as Zolo but they both used the same amount to cut the door.

Same with Sanji. I wasn't saying that Sanji is the same strength as Luffy, it's that they used same amount of strength to match BM.

ok, how you know that?
Because of obvious meaning of the sword. That´s the same as saying how Luffy´s hat has survived for so long despite all the shit he has gone through. We have a literal canon statement that any sword can be broken, and that black swords can not be broken.
The fact that there are ranks for swords is apparent since the chapter in Loguetown.

See above.

It also means he can easily block with swords, which most of the time he does.

Regarding Shusui´s hardness https://mangabeast.com/manga/One-Piece/0473-009.png

So yes.

No, taking him out is different than holding him down, pretty easy concept.

He didn´t escape gravity though, Fujitora left, so factually false.

All of them are actually, they literally got the same attack name.
Which is irrelevant as well btw since your claim is attacking together = equal strength.

Which is wrong.

Because we have seen how DJ compares to Elephant Gun several times, and it does not hold up.
 

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#99
Sanji isn't ready to fight Queen without getting dozens of bones crushed; however Oda needs to make sure he is capable of holding off an admiral for a while by EOS, so everything is plausible sadly.

Meanwhile King will serve as a nice warm up for the Grandmaster. After all we are talking about a man who would get two shot by Base Kaido.
 
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