Zoro on fists (Koh) without swords vs Kid.

#21
Haki >the rest. acoc+top ryoo>>the rest.
There's no reason to believe Zoro can use AdCoC via his fist, just like we can't assume Luffy can channel adCoC through a sword

Kid wins, physically speaking he = Luffy and can nuke Zoro with dammed punk
 
#23
If ACoC was that important, Greenbull would be left with way more damage when Yamato bonked him.

Zoro loses a very majority of his power without his swords. Have fun fighting against Kidd without swords.
Well, Greenbul is noticeably stronger than Yamato. Kid is noticeably weaker than Zoro
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There's no reason to believe Zoro can use AdCoC via his fist, just like we can't assume Luffy can channel adCoC through a sword

Kid wins, physically speaking he = Luffy and can nuke Zoro with dammed punk
Zoro literally runs acoc+ryoo through his hands before haki penetrates the blades. Do not forget that Zoro is physically the strongest in the team (if you do not take into account 4gir and 5gir)
 
#25
Well, Greenbul is noticeably stronger than Yamato. Kid is noticeably weaker than Zoro
Kidd is not noticeably weaker than Zoro lol.
If flameless King could endure 2 ACoC SLASHES, why do you think the guy would be destroyed who endured Big Mom's strongest techniques?
 
#26
Acoc and acoa come from the fist first then go to swords
Whay you even talking about?
AdCoC is infusing the internal damage haki + CoC. it is a step above adCoA(barrier haki)

Not even Hyogouru can use it, and he's the only swordsman you can point to
 
#28
AdCoC is infusing the internal damage haki + CoC. it is a step above adCoA(barrier haki)

Not even Hyogouru can use it, and he's the only swordsman you can point to
Whats is bro waffling abou?
Dude
Acoc doesnt spwn on swords it comes from the body :saden:
Saying zoro cant use acoc on fists is stupid af
 
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#29
Just so y'all know , type of swordsmanship Zoro follows is also a part of Martial arts.


No way bro ain't trained in hand to hand combact when he's the one who trains his body the most.

Not to forget bro knows no sword style.

Haki punches are already dangerous , Adcoc is even more dangerous.
KoH destroys him lol
 
#31
Kidd is not noticeably weaker than Zoro lol.
If flameless King could endure 2 ACoC SLASHES, why do you think the guy would be destroyed who endured Big Mom's strongest techniques?
Because Jimbei beats off BM cognac with a sword with his bare hands. Shanks acoc vanshot Kid. Auden to acoc (weaker than Zoro at that time) withstood Roger's acoc punch quite easily.
 
#33
Kidd is not noticeably weaker than Zoro lol.
If flameless King could endure 2 ACoC SLASHES, why do you think the guy would be destroyed who endured Big Mom's strongest techniques?
Kidd is not noticeably weaker than Zoro lol.
If flameless King could endure 2 ACoC SLASHES, why do you think the guy would be destroyed who endured Big Mom's strongest techniques?
Let's compare. Kaido destroys the damned Punk with a slash, Zoro repels kaido's slash with one sword. The kid unexpectedly attacks with a nominal attack of the Apu and takes damage himself by breaking up with the apu in a draw. Zoro vanshot Apu noname blow with one sword. Zoro stops Hakai from two yonko for a while and puts Kaido scar in a one-on-one skirmish (top 2 wound). Kid catches a shot from Shanks. Zoro awakens ACOC+top ryoo by defeating YC1. The kid somehow threw the BM off the island.
 
#35
So ACoC is not an auto win, exactly my point.
Shanks probably has the strongest ACoC among the Yonko and he's basically Oda's golden boy. Only because Shanks one shot him with a swordsman technique, doesn't mean swordless Zoro beats Kidd as well.
No, of course this is not an automotic victory. But if one character has acoc + powerful ryoo + very strong physically, and the second has mediocre hacks, the winner is obvious.
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With or without he probably loses. Kidd was able to take mutiple guys from big mom. Kidd is strong he's just not a good character or relevant.
Kid is a weak garbage that is not even able to break through the Bm skin. Zoro without 30 bones to koh >> everything that kid did for the entire manga.
 
#37
Because Jimbei beats off BM cognac with a sword with his bare hands. Shanks acoc vanshot Kid. Auden to acoc (weaker than Zoro at that time) withstood Roger's acoc punch quite easily.
1.) Big Mom used more force and straight cut through Jinbe's special hardening + shark skin.
2.) Again, Shanks' ACoC is on a completely different level. Do you think Big Mom never used ACoC on Law and Kidd? We had fodders commenting how CoC kept being unleashed during their battle.
3.) So a character weaker than Kidd actually managed to tank an ACoC hit from Roger's SWORD. Dude, this actually disproves your assertion lol.
Let's compare. Kaido destroys the damned Punk with a slash, Zoro repels kaido's slash with one sword. The kid unexpectedly attacks with a nominal attack of the Apu and takes damage himself by breaking up with the apu in a draw. Zoro vanshot Apu noname blow with one sword. Zoro stops Hakai from two yonko for a while and puts Kaido scar in a one-on-one skirmish (top 2 wound). Kid catches a shot from Shanks. Zoro awakens ACOC+top ryoo by defeating YC1. The kid somehow threw the BM off the island.
Buddy, all of those feats are with his sword, you realise that?

Kaido cut Damned Punk because it is metal junk at the end. What makes it dangerous is the fact that Kidd can add his magnetic force on them. Reason why Big Mom was gravely injured from some steel pipes because they had Kidd's magnetic power.

Again, Zoro used his Ittoryu style on Apoo.
Again, Zoro used Barrier Haki on his swords to block Hakai. If he was barehanded, he wouldn't be left with 30 broken bones lol.
Dude, ASURA ZORO. This is barehanded Zoro. NO SWORDS. Just some irrelevant no sword style, without proper feats, to rely on against a guy who fucked up Big Mom on many occasions.

Once again, getting one shot by Shanks =/= losing to barehanded Zoro lmao. We know that a weaker character actually endured the same technique from someone stronger than Shanks. It seems Shanks put up far more strength into his Kamurasi than Roger ever did against Oden.

Exactly - ACoC against King and he also learned a whole new sword style which is KoH. All with swords.

But if one character has acoc + powerful ryoo + very strong physically, and the second has mediocre hacks, the winner is obvious.
It is not.
Zoro usually channels his physical attributes to his swords and that's his usual fighting style. If you take this away, Zoro basically loses a very huge amount of his general power. It's like saying Luffy can beat Kidd even if he just uses his head. It would make no sense as well.

Again, ACoC is no auto win.
What Zoro makes stronger than Kidd is the fact that his ACoC + swordsmanship makes him the superior fighter. If you take one away, the thing will look completely different.

Mate, it is not even clear if Zoro beats Queen without his swords...
 
#38
swordless Zoro is probably weaker than Queen, regardless of what advanced haki he has


bro's being pushed to high diff by Lucci
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Haki punches are already dangerous , Adcoc is even more dangerous.
KoH destroys him lol
basic punches are only strong when you are a martial arts expert like Koby or Garp. People who have undergone immense training to send massive shockwaves via their punches.

This is why people who don't specialize in martial arts like that are so reliant on weapons and DFs. Why Luffy goes G5 on Luffy rather than try to use ACoC in base form.



No fucking way Zoro can match BM's AP without his swords.
 
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#39
Zoro is significantly weaker with one less sword, let alone without them all. This was established back in Syrup's arc: Zoro was having trouble against the Nyaban brothers while using one sword and only obliterated them when he could use not only three swords but the three-sword style (since he lacked skill with one-sword style in comparison). Just one more sword, as stated by himself, would still make a difference.

Nobody should expect Zoro to lose all his swords and still defeat someone like Kid, who isn't the strongest character in verse but he's certainly way more powerful than some people in this forum believe as he was acknowledged by Shanks. There's no way Zoro is beating Kid without swords, again: three swords make the difference between losing to the Nyaban brothers and negging them. If Zoro can defeat a 3 billion man acknowledged by Shanks without swords, then we better end this story now because he is one-shoting Mihawk as of today.
 
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