Anime & Manga Zoro or Killer - which first mate was more troubled by his useless captian in Wano?
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Narratively speaking it'd be Luffy since Luffy could of used FS to tell the other Supernovas to get out of the way of Hakai, but thanks to PiS (or Luffy's general incompetence) he didn't, and therefore caused Zoro to take on Hakai, which in hindsight was just a way to make Zoro much less effective than he would of been otherwise against Kaido and to get Zoro out of the way for Luffy to fight Kaido solo.
Also Zoro's not gonna reflect on any of his or Luffy's shortcoming in this war because at this point he's a complete bum who only fights and say one liners, and as he currently see himself and Luffy, he prefers being disposable and Luffy to get all the glory and spotlight because he's Luffy's lapdog.
As for Killer he never was important as a character, but Kidd's poor decision making as a captain has indirectly cost Killer the ability to control his expression and to laugh uncontrollably. While that's fucked up, it's not like it's such a drastic character change to us as the audience because we've never really seen much of Killer until Wano. Most of what we know of Killer comes from Wano so it isn't as haunting as it could of been.
So as characters of a story I must say that while Killer's more fucked in a real world sense, Zoro got the complete shaft in terms of narrative, and since these are fictional characters, narrative has a much higher priority in my book. So I'm voting Zoro, Luffy's personal toilet.
Also Zoro's not gonna reflect on any of his or Luffy's shortcoming in this war because at this point he's a complete bum who only fights and say one liners, and as he currently see himself and Luffy, he prefers being disposable and Luffy to get all the glory and spotlight because he's Luffy's lapdog.
As for Killer he never was important as a character, but Kidd's poor decision making as a captain has indirectly cost Killer the ability to control his expression and to laugh uncontrollably. While that's fucked up, it's not like it's such a drastic character change to us as the audience because we've never really seen much of Killer until Wano. Most of what we know of Killer comes from Wano so it isn't as haunting as it could of been.
So as characters of a story I must say that while Killer's more fucked in a real world sense, Zoro got the complete shaft in terms of narrative, and since these are fictional characters, narrative has a much higher priority in my book. So I'm voting Zoro, Luffy's personal toilet.
Obviously it wasn't enough as he got bodied by 2 of the 3 emporers he messed with, and though he got a copy of one of the Poneglyphs from Big Mom, the best fighting feat he managed to get from that was injuring, not beating, one of the Sweet Commanders. That's not enough to justify going after tge heads of the Yonko. If there was an option he could of went after some comparitively small names like Luffy did with Doffy. I understand that in One Piece beating big names is the way to claim fame, but it doesn't matter if Kidd's taking L after L from these big names because Kidd and his crew are severly weaker than any Yonko crew.
2 get wasn't prepared for at the time.
I don't recall kid ever making it a big deal he was just clearing up a rumor if him being beaten by one of the sweet generals. To kid's perspective the sweet generals are no importance but the objective of what he was trying to steal is.
Well first thing first doflamingo isn't a small named pirate and secondly kid isn't Luffy so why should he act like him while also doing something that goes against his way of thinking like it's the only way to do things.
There's nothing wrong with his crew also kid taking loses is a part of growth towards the character you think kaido got where he was at now without taking any loses in his entire pirate career? Taking loses isn't something kid should be embarrassed about as long as his will is still strong enough to keep thriving then he will eventually get stronger in which he did by taking out one of the four emperors of the sea. Unlike with moria his will wasn't broken nor did he get weaker that's the difference between them.
I don't recall kid ever making it a big deal he was just clearing up a rumor if him being beaten by one of the sweet generals. To kid's perspective the sweet generals are no importance but the objective of what he was trying to steal is.
Well first thing first doflamingo isn't a small named pirate and secondly kid isn't Luffy so why should he act like him while also doing something that goes against his way of thinking like it's the only way to do things.
There's nothing wrong with his crew also kid taking loses is a part of growth towards the character you think kaido got where he was at now without taking any loses in his entire pirate career? Taking loses isn't something kid should be embarrassed about as long as his will is still strong enough to keep thriving then he will eventually get stronger in which he did by taking out one of the four emperors of the sea. Unlike with moria his will wasn't broken nor did he get weaker that's the difference between them.