Character Discussion Zoro protecting Luffy; The Truth

[draganax]

Zoro is like roger and ace in that sense, they protect their crews like older brothers. While luffy needs to be protected by his crew.

It's been firmly established that luffy needs all the help he can get:
-luffy himself admitted that he can't do anything but fight.
-Ace and sabo had pointed out how troublesome luffy is and that he needs people to take care of him.
-mihawk addressing it's not strength is what dangerous about luffy it's his ability to draw allies to his cause.

Luffy has the strongest ability, but he's not the strongest, he's reckless and impulsive and always get into trouble, the straw hats spend the time skip improving themselves and getting stronger just to help him.

 

[Z-Saber]

one is ambition, the other isn't. do the math.

ambition to become PK > Ambition to become WSS stated by the current WSS himself

 

[stairs-kun]

ambition to become PK > Ambition to become WSS stated by the current WSS himself

And Zoro says his ambition is not only means being WSS, but having the strength to protect Luffy from anything and everything.

 

[Z-Saber]

And Zoro says his ambition is not only means being WSS, but having the strength to protect Luffy from anything and everything.

and you think that luffy protecting his entire crew isn't apart of his ambition as well?

 

[stairs-kun]

and you think that luffy protecting his entire crew isn't apart of his ambition as well?

Show me a panel where Luffy says its part of his ambition, or even alludes to it.

Whereas Zoro has a panel talking about it directly concerning his dreams. Luffy doesn't.

 

[draganax]

Re-read chapter 595-596, there's a lot of insight into the how much of help luffy needs.

Nami and usopp confirmed that luffy can't become the king of the pirate on his own and that he will only get himself killed if they didn't watch out for him.

 

[Z-Saber]

Show me a panel where Luffy says its part of his ambition, or even alludes to it.

Whereas Zoro has a panel talking about it directly concerning his dreams. Luffy doesn't.

Sigh, the whole point of luffy developing the gears in the first place was to get strong enough to protect his crew since he needs his crew to become king of the pirates, as he's stated numerous times. The entire reason he made the call for the crew to stay apart for 2 years was so that he and the whole crew could get stronger and for himself to yet again get stronger, strong enough to protect them since he needs to protect them to fulfill his ambition so yes, Luffy protecting his crew is very much apart of his ambition.

 

[stairs-kun]

Sigh, the whole point of luffy developing the gears in the first place was to get strong enough to protect his crew since he needs his crew to become king of the pirates, as he's stated numerous times. The entire reason he made the call for the crew to stay apart for 2 years was so that he and the whole crew could get stronger and for himself to yet again get stronger, strong enough to protect them since he needs to protect them to fulfill his ambition so yes, Luffy protecting his crew is very much apart of his ambition.

And the whole point of Zoro's ambition is to be the Strongest and be able to protect Luffy at any cost.

 

[draganax]

And the whole point of Zoro's ambition is to be the Strongest and be able to protect Luffy at any cost.

Although zoro may be fully devoted to helping luffy become the pirate king, and to his crew's safty. Protecting luffy is not part of zoro's ambition imo, but it's rather a part of his swordsmanship philosophy "the strongest blade is a sword that protects what it wishes to protect and cuts what it wishes to cut".

If zoro abandoned his swordsmanship, then his ambition is invalid.

 

[M944]

Yeah, so I'm not really going through the rest of your excuses lol

It really wasn't his fight. He beated him. Hermep tried to kill Luffy. Luffy wasn't anymore on Morgan.
Even if you think it was his fight it wasn't an 1v1 anymore as Luffy need to save Koby.

75% you said maybe in the anime but it's not the good subsection here

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It's what you call Luffy needing help ?

Who says it's mutually exclusive? Law immediately deduced that Luffy was using too much Haki, so the answer was obvious. Does nothing to change that Luffy asked for help to escape and recover, or that bottom line Zoro doesn't do that

Luffy didn't asked help it was Gatz and Colloseum warriors who did it by themselves. Luffy could still run he just couldn't use Haki.
Luffy don't outlast his opponents.
Against Buggy. Onve he was serious he overpowered him
Against Kuro once he understand Kuro's ability he overpowered him
Same against Arlong he didn't outlast him
Same for Krieg, Mr3 and so on... Overpowered Lucci with a gatling. Blueno with a Bazooka, Enel, Crocodile
The only fight which characters tried to outlast the other one is Franky vs Senor Pink.
Give 3 fights where Luffy outlast his opponents ?

 

[Finalbeta]

And the whole point of Zoro's ambition is to be the Strongest and be able to protect Luffy at any cost.

 

[Fn Lucci]

It's what you call Luffy needing help ?

You are so focused on trying to defend that you don't know what you're saying. "Helmeppo tried to kill Luffy" when we see him trying to attack Coby lol. Anywhere you go you'll see that Morgan is considered vs Luffy and Zoro if not just Luffy, which is why the anime had that title. It's at least partly his fight, undeniable. Did I say he needed help, no. You said it was 1v1 bar Arlong.

Bar from Arlong all of Luffy's fight Pre TS were 1vs1

Not true.

Luffy didn't asked help it was Gatz and Colloseum warriors who did it by themselves. Luffy could still run he just couldn't use Haki.

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Luffy don't outlast his opponents.
Against Buggy. Onve he was serious he overpowered him
Against Kuro once he understand Kuro's ability he overpowered him
Same against Arlong he didn't outlast him
Same for Krieg, Mr3 and so on... Overpowered Lucci with a gatling. Blueno with a Bazooka, Enel, Crocodile
The only fight which characters tried to outlast the other one is Franky vs Senor Pink.
Give 3 fights where Luffy outlast his opponents ?

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Obviously, Luffy does fight the stronger opponents so it makes sense that he has less left in the tank. But whereas Zoro would train to make sure he could master the strength he pulled out as in Alabasta, Luffy doesn't mind how he finishes a fight, which is why this is so common for him.

You tried to say the anime title didn't count but I can literally pull the manga all day. Although, I won't be wasting my time on you.

 

[M944]

You are so focused on trying to defend that you don't know what you're saying. "Helmeppo tried to kill Luffy" when we see him trying to attack Coby lol. Anywhere you go you'll see that Morgan is considered vs Luffy and Zoro if not just Luffy, which is why the anime had that title. It's at least partly gis fight, undeniable. Did I say he needed help, no. You said it was 1v1 bar Arlong.

Luffy's ability to win a fight revolves around help: see Cracker, Dofy, and 75% of his other fights.

You don't even remember what you said a few hours ago ?

Luffy went to save Kobby because hermep tried to kill him
You : Lmaooo he had help
And your examples were like this you completely ignore the context or the type of help received.
Your 75% are a lie.

Not true

Will wait for examples. At least we are still far from 75% of fight with help.

Luffy being exhausted from G4 is outlasting Doffy ?
Luffy Overpowering Crocodile final Attack = Outlasting him ? Crocodile poisonned him. His time was counted.
Lucci wasn't owerpowered either G2 exhausted Luffy too much he won't be able to outlast Lucci.