Future Events Zoro road to WSS

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#21
WSS is the worst written goal and title

A cakewalk for Zoro so far, the title holder has the title from actually beating no one or fighting a tp tier
 
#24
To become Greatest Swordsman, you must have:

Top Physical Stats + Top Haki + Top Swords + Top Swordsmanship

Zoro's Santoryu Style never Changed, it's the Same Techniques since East Blue & we saw that throughout all of Story, he doesn't train to improve his Swordsmanship but mostly Physical Strength, Speed, Haki & find better Swords

When you have those Three (Physical Stats, Haki & Swords) then in a Swordsmen Duel, your Swordsmanship alone will decide the Winner which is what matters

This is the reason why Mihawk doesn't want to fight Shanks anymore because he does have Swordsmanship to Match Him & he also have Top Haki & Top Sword but his Physical Stats took a hit when he lost an Arm so their Fight would never be Fair again

Regarding Zoro, to be able to finally test his Swordsmanship against Mihawk he needs to Master those Three Stats i mentioned

1. For CoA, he needs to Master it & become able to Cut Anything & the Greatest Challenge for that is Kaido (Shanks can do this)
2. For CoO, he needs to Master it by defeating someone who challenges both his Swordsmanship & CoO, & that is Shiryu
3. For Swords, he already have Great Grade Swords, so now he needs to turn them Black
4. For Physical Stats, they automatically increase over time thanks to many Fights & Training he does however we have Fujitora with his Gravity to put that to the test

So basically what Zoro needs now before Fighting Mihawk are Four:

1. Cut Kaido & Master CoA
2. Defeat Shiryu & improve CoO
3. Turn his Blades Black making them Supreme Blades
4. Overcome Fujitora's DF by improving his Physical Stats (Strength & Speed)

First One is currently in Progress and needed to Save Wano
Second & Fourth Ones will happen in Final Arc where Zoro will Fight both Shiryu & Fujitora
Third One is Unknown because we still don't know what is required to turn Blades Black

So after Final Arc, we will have Zoro who Perfected CoA & CoO, turned his Blades Black & helped Luffy defeat Yonko & WG
This Zoro will be ready to face Mihawk for the Title of Greatest Sworsman
 
#27
Why Smoothie? He is currently attempting to strike down a yonko I mean. And he is doing great too.

Kizaru/Issho
Shiryu
Mihawk

These are the most robust bets.
You forgot the old Gorosei. No way these guys are just Pencil pushers.
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this man cant live a single day without making a thread about zoro vs smoothie :zosleepy:
boi stop it. all you do is dissapointing yourself
My thought too the Moment I saw the Name "Smoothie" 
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#28
You forgot the old Gorosei. No way these guys are just Pencils
That's possible. But I still prefer to stay skeptical about the Gorosei. Eventually they will be dealt with. That would enrich the plot and provide better sense. Instead of simply making them "powerful minds", but also "powerful arms." And they look like fighting people... the issue however is how powerful they would be. Eventually rather weaker than the admirals. This is also part of my skepticism.
 
#29
That's possible. But I still prefer to stay skeptical about the Gorosei. Eventually they will be dealt with. That would enrich the plot and provide better sense. Instead of simply making them "powerful minds", but also "powerful arms." And they look like fighting people... the issue however is how powerful they would be. Eventually rather weaker than the admirals. This is also part of my skepticism.
I believe that they have to be powerful for those very reasons. You can't Deal with them just by talking to them. They are a big part of the root of evil that is going on in One Piece and they are loyal to Imu's cause. And the command chain of the World government is also almost all about strength in terms of hierarchy. There are no weak leaders in the top ranks. It is also Quite illogical that Fujitora would fight Zoro in the final war. He is an ally of Luffy more than anything else. So there has to be someone else Zoro will fight. And so far that only leaves the Gorosei Dude. The fact that they look like fighters only makes it more obvious. Why would Oda make them fighter types yet not make them fight...? No sir, these guys are definitely EOS opponents.
 
#30
WSS is the worst written goal and title

A cakewalk for Zoro so far, the title holder has the title from actually beating no one or fighting a tp tier
Please provide facts supporting your post.

It's better than the Pirate King title which can be achieved by finding treasure. You don't have to beat anyone.
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To become Greatest Swordsman, you must have:

Top Physical Stats + Top Haki + Top Swords + Top Swordsmanship

Zoro's Santoryu Style never Changed, it's the Same Techniques since East Blue & we saw that throughout all of Story, he doesn't train to improve his Swordsmanship but mostly Physical Strength, Speed, Haki & find better Swords

When you have those Three (Physical Stats, Haki & Swords) then in a Swordsmen Duel, your Swordsmanship alone will decide the Winner which is what matters

This is the reason why Mihawk doesn't want to fight Shanks anymore because he does have Swordsmanship to Match Him & he also have Top Haki & Top Sword but his Physical Stats took a hit when he lost an Arm so their Fight would never be Fair again

Regarding Zoro, to be able to finally test his Swordsmanship against Mihawk he needs to Master those Three Stats i mentioned

1. For CoA, he needs to Master it & become able to Cut Anything & the Greatest Challenge for that is Kaido (Shanks can do this)
2. For CoO, he needs to Master it by defeating someone who challenges both his Swordsmanship & CoO, & that is Shiryu
3. For Swords, he already have Great Grade Swords, so now he needs to turn them Black
4. For Physical Stats, they automatically increase over time thanks to many Fights & Training he does however we have Fujitora with his Gravity to put that to the test

So basically what Zoro needs now before Fighting Mihawk are Four:

1. Cut Kaido & Master CoA
2. Defeat Shiryu & improve CoO
3. Turn his Blades Black making them Supreme Blades
4. Overcome Fujitora's DF by improving his Physical Stats (Strength & Speed)

First One is currently in Progress and needed to Save Wano
Second & Fourth Ones will happen in Final Arc where Zoro will Fight both Shiryu & Fujitora
Third One is Unknown because we still don't know what is required to turn Blades Black

So after Final Arc, we will have Zoro who Perfected CoA & CoO, turned his Blades Black & helped Luffy defeat Yonko & WG
This Zoro will be ready to face Mihawk for the Title of Greatest Sworsman
Amazing post.

I think Zoro will increase his physical stats next arc if they head Elbaf, land if the giants.

When most people think of giants they think of being that possess incredible physical strength. In my opinion, that be the perfect place for Zoro to increase the physical stats along with Luffy.

Luffy needs to increase his physical stats as well. Wano was about increasing their CoA haki. While Elbaf will focus on increasing their physical stats.
 
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#31
Here is what I think the road of Zoro will look like for the WSS title from now on:

1.)The fight against Kaido. Getting the recognition of Kaido as a monstrous samurai, accomplishing something huge, his name starts to truly get some damn big recognition in the One Piece world. Let's remember that he wants his name to reach the heavens. He will leave Wano as a different monster.

2.)The second big event for him will be the fight against Shiryu. Now, Shiryu has the invisible fruit which might not mean much by itself since observation haki exists to detect your presence. However, there is a video from Mr Morj where he explains the possibility of a different application of haki that could exist: concealing your presence to the haki of others. He brings up some very convincing examples in the story where this application of haki might have been used. Now, under this assumption, Shiryu would have this type of haki AND the invisible fruit, effectively making invisible BOTH visually and to your haki as well. Truly undetectable. While of course he would also have the lethality of a top swordsman.
This could be fundamental in order for Zoro to improve his senses/make him develop some kind of particular observation/perception. After all, he is going to have to fight a man whose epithet is "Hawkeye" and , originally, "The Clairvoyant", which does suggest that armament haki is not really the only thing where he excels at.

I would suggest you to watch this Mr Morj video. Search something like "The new haki of Sanji in Wano".

3.)Then he will face Kizaru, a top tier. Throughout the story, Kizaru has always been matched up against first mates and vice captains. The examples are clear : Kizaru and Rayleigh, Kizaru and Marco, Kizaru and Benn Beckman. Kizaru has also kicked Zoro's ass in Sabaody and although Zoro might not hold a big grudge against him for that event, it's still something that I feel must be brought up. The reason for why Fuji is extremely unlikely to me is that he has already opposed the ideologies of the WG in way or the other. His actions are also often inconsistent with the way of thinking of the WG and he has already some major disagreements with the higher ups. Dresrossa was another big eye opener for him. To me, Fujitora seems perfectly set up as someone who will inevitably oppose the WG, probably in the final war.
Kizaru hasn't shown any sign of being against the current order whatsoever. And he is shown to be very close to Akainu, who has had major disagreements with Fuji. Kizaru vs Zoro is WAY more likely in my opinion.

4.)Mihawk. Yeah, I think Kizaru is a top tier just like him but I think that there is still some gap between them. Mihawk is a likely candidate for the third position in my list of the strongest current characters, after Dragon and Akainu. Kizaru would be at number seven, probably.
This of course will be his greatest challenge and will solidify him as the WSS.
 
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#32
Here is what I think the road of Zoro will look like for the WSS title from now on:

1.)The fight against Kaido. Getting the recognition of Kaido as a monstrous samurai, accomplishing something huge, his name starts to truly get some damn big recognition in the One Piece world. Let's remember that he wants his name to reach the heavens. He will leave Wano as a different monster.

2.)The second big event for him will be the fight against Shiryu. Now, Shiryu has the invisible fruit which might not mean much by itself since observation haki exists to detect your presence. However, there is a video from Mr Morj where he explains the possibility of a different application of haki that could exist: concealing your presence to the haki of others. He brings up some very convincing examples in the story where this application of haki might have been used. Now, under this assumption, Shiryu would have this type of haki AND the invisible fruit, effectively making invisible BOTH visually and to your haki as well. Truly undetectable. While of course he would also have the lethality of a top swordsman.
This could be fundamental in order for Zoro to improve his senses/make him develop some kind of particular observation/perception. After all, he is going to have to fight a man whose epithet is "Hawkeye" and , originally, "The Clairvoyant", which does suggest that armament haki is not really the only thing where he excels at.

I would suggest you to watch this Mr Morj video. Search something like "The new haki of Sanji in Wano".

3.)Then he will face Kizaru, a top tier. Throughout the story, Kizaru has always been matched up against first mates and vice captains. The examples are clear : Kizaru and Rayleigh, Kizaru and Marco, Kizaru and Benn Beckman. Kizaru has also kicked Zoro's ass in Sabaody and although Zoro might not hold a big grudge against him for that event, it's still something that I feel must be brought up. The reason for why Fuji is extremely unlikely to me is that he has already opposed the ideologies of the WG in way or the other. His actions are also often inconsistent with the way of thinking of the WG and he has already some major disagreements with the higher ups. Dresrossa was another big eye opener for him. To me, Fujitora seems perfectly set up as someone who will inevitably oppose the WG, probably in the final war.
Kizaru hasn't shown any sign of being against the current order whatsoever. And he is shown to be very close to Akainu, who has had major disagreements with Fuji. Kizaru vs Zoro is WAY more likely in my opinion.

4.)Mihawk. Yeah, I think Kizaru is a top tier just like him but I think that there is still some gap between them. Mihawk is a likely candidate for the third position in my list of the strongest current characters, after Dragon and Akainu. Kizaru would be at number seven, probably.
This of course will be his greatest challenge and will solidify him as the WSS.
Whats ur list of strongest chars? just curious
 
#33
To become Greatest Swordsman, you must have:

Top Physical Stats + Top Haki + Top Swords + Top Swordsmanship

Zoro's Santoryu Style never Changed, it's the Same Techniques since East Blue & we saw that throughout all of Story, he doesn't train to improve his Swordsmanship but mostly Physical Strength, Speed, Haki & find better Swords

When you have those Three (Physical Stats, Haki & Swords) then in a Swordsmen Duel, your Swordsmanship alone will decide the Winner which is what matters

This is the reason why Mihawk doesn't want to fight Shanks anymore because he does have Swordsmanship to Match Him & he also have Top Haki & Top Sword but his Physical Stats took a hit when he lost an Arm so their Fight would never be Fair again

Regarding Zoro, to be able to finally test his Swordsmanship against Mihawk he needs to Master those Three Stats i mentioned

1. For CoA, he needs to Master it & become able to Cut Anything & the Greatest Challenge for that is Kaido (Shanks can do this)
2. For CoO, he needs to Master it by defeating someone who challenges both his Swordsmanship & CoO, & that is Shiryu
3. For Swords, he already have Great Grade Swords, so now he needs to turn them Black
4. For Physical Stats, they automatically increase over time thanks to many Fights & Training he does however we have Fujitora with his Gravity to put that to the test

So basically what Zoro needs now before Fighting Mihawk are Four:

1. Cut Kaido & Master CoA
2. Defeat Shiryu & improve CoO
3. Turn his Blades Black making them Supreme Blades
4. Overcome Fujitora's DF by improving his Physical Stats (Strength & Speed)

First One is currently in Progress and needed to Save Wano
Second & Fourth Ones will happen in Final Arc where Zoro will Fight both Shiryu & Fujitora
Third One is Unknown because we still don't know what is required to turn Blades Black

So after Final Arc, we will have Zoro who Perfected CoA & CoO, turned his Blades Black & helped Luffy defeat Yonko & WG
This Zoro will be ready to face Mihawk for the Title of Greatest Swordsman
0/10 Fanfiction. The Main character is Luffy and his role Model is Shanks. Zoro and Mihawk are the yin to their Yang. So their plotlines can hardly Resolve afterwards.
 
#36
Jack, for me Jack => Smoothie :goyea: I don't use the yc1,2,3,4 crap, eow Zoro => Katakuri
Shiryu
Maybe Killer there is a chance that the strawhats will fight the Kid pirates
 
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Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#37
Jack, for me Jack => Smoothie :goyea: I don't use the yc1,2,3,4 crap, eos Zoro => Katakuri
Shiryu
Maybe Killer there is a chance that the strawhats will fight the Kid pirates
Katakuri is a small fish in a big pond when we pose the big pond = big picture, Shiryu would most likely annihilate Kuri by EoS, not that Current Shiryu is necessarily much weaker than his EoS counterpart either way.
 
#39
Why Smoothie? He is currently attempting to strike down a yonko I mean. And he is doing great too.

Kizaru/Issho
Shiryu
Mihawk

These are the most robust bets.
No they are not because Zoro's Main Opponent has to be a member of the World government, a swordsman and Stronger than Mihawk.

Kizaru is not a swordsman and weaker than Mihawk. Issho is not going to help the World government and is also weaker than Mihawk.

Mihawk Himself maaaybe, Shiryu definitely and the old gorosei fairly likely.
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mihawk is zoros goal
shanks is a stepping stone to luffys who will die to bb
Shanks is also Luffy's goal and Mihawk a stepping stone to Zoro's who will die to SoR.
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The portrayal between Zoro and Luffy have been consistent when it comes to power levels. They have overall being portrayed as equals for a long time.
Yeah. I never said otherwise.
 
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