Speculations Zoro vs Kizaru and Sanji vs Ryokugyu: The Best Matchups
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kizaru is emotionless, yes, that is why he will face sanji. kizaru is like sanji's brothers. kicking him is like kicking is evil siblings or even like kicking what his father wanted to make of him.
ryokugyu is for sabo. enemy of celestial dragons versus admirer of them. logia vs logia. fire vs wood.
ryokugyu is for sabo. enemy of celestial dragons versus admirer of them. logia vs logia. fire vs wood.
People be giving essays on how similar sanji kizaru and zoro greenbull only to say they gonna switch opponents bc why not 
People say sanji always fights the goofy opponent that’s why he’s fighting aramaki but aramaki is not goofy, oda did not intend for him to be goofy people say he is because his introduction was bad, Kizaru is actually the goofy one the one with gags
Aramaki literally has a blade that is 70% a black blade. but people will still cling into the fact that kizaru used a sword
fyi every marine is trained to be proficient with a sword, we've seen kizaru uses his kicks as much as we’ve seen him use a sword, his introduction had him trash the supernovas with kicks his clash with rayleigh started with a kick
When people talked about sanji vs king, the common response is that king has a sword zoro always fights the opponent with a sword but now that they have a green sake loving admiral who could have a black blade they say nah zoro is fighting the guy with occasional light swords
People say sanji always fights the goofy opponent that’s why he’s fighting aramaki but aramaki is not goofy, oda did not intend for him to be goofy people say he is because his introduction was bad, Kizaru is actually the goofy one the one with gags
Aramaki literally has a blade that is 70% a black blade. but people will still cling into the fact that kizaru used a sword
fyi every marine is trained to be proficient with a sword, we've seen kizaru uses his kicks as much as we’ve seen him use a sword, his introduction had him trash the supernovas with kicks his clash with rayleigh started with a kick
When people talked about sanji vs king, the common response is that king has a sword zoro always fights the opponent with a sword but now that they have a green sake loving admiral who could have a black blade they say nah zoro is fighting the guy with occasional light swords
Out of the many different admiral matchups I’ve seen, the two most popular have been Zoro vs Fuji/Sanji vs Kizaru, and Zoro vs Kizaru/Sanji vs Ryokugyu. While this topic has been a bit beaten to death, I’d like to share my take on it.
Personally, I think that Zoro vs Fuji & Sanji vs Kizaru are both shallow connections. The only similarity is that they have similar fighting styles: Zoro/Fujitora are both swordsmen and Sanji/Kizaru are both speedy fighters with strong kicks. Zoro & Fujitora also share an honorable nature, but the same cannot be said for Sanji & Kizaru. Another thing to note is that Kizaru is more of an well rounded fighter, who utilizes projectiles, swordsmanship, and martial arts (including rokushiki).
While mirror matchups can be interesting (Luffy vs Katakuri), I don’t think they need to be overdone or take precedence over stronger themes. In Wano, we saw that Zoro was actually the one matched up against the flying speedster with fire attacks, while Sanji was matched with the slower and tanky powerhouse. Sanji and King were compared twice, which I think was on purpose. You are free to believe otherwise, but I think the theme here was to have Zoro fight a character similar to Sanji, while Sanji simultaneously surpassed that character by using what’s central to him: his passion. King even commented to Zoro that humans cannot surpass someone of his race, and Zoro showed him the strength of pure willpower and tenacity.
I think the pattern of Zoro fighting a character with a fighting style similar to Sanji will persist, with this time having Sanji fight a character with a fighting style similar to Zoro. What I’m expecting is for Sanji to fight the green admiral, while Zoro fights the yellow admiral. Sanji will also undoubtedly surpass Kizaru, as expected of Zoro’s rival.
Sanji also calls Zoro “marimo” or moss head in English, and Ryokugyu is the admiral that wields the power of nature. It’s also interesting that Ryokugyu was introduced with a sheathless sword that looks to me like a black blade. It would be awesome to see Zoro and Sanji defeat admirals that just can’t compare to the comrade that they fight alongside.
Obviously though, I can’t go off of only the relationship they have with each other. These two admirals must challenge the wings thematically. It seems that Kizaru is the unspoken right hand of Akainu, as they have had the longest working relationship as admirals together. They are also often pictured together. Another pattern that many readers have picked up on is that Kizaru has been matched up with various right hand men: Rayleigh, Marco, Ben, and has almost Killed Zoro before. Was it a coincidence that Dark King Rayleigh was the one to save King of Hell Zoro from Kizaru?
Kizaru’s ability is light, yet he is the admiral with “unclear justice.” He seems to be the ultimate emotionless weapon for the marines to count on, as he has no qualms with whatever task he has been given. Zoro on the other hand always has dark and hellish motifs, being called a demon and even using the ability “asura” which is based on this side of him. Unlike Kizaru though, he upholds principles that he believes in, and is a conqueror alongside his captain. This will essentially expand on where Zoro vs King left off, where we see the true power of being the right hand of the pirate king. Zoro often fights opponents that are cold, calculated, or emotionless in nature. Daz Bones played it cool, unlike the flamboyant Bon Clay. Kaku was very analytical in his fighting style, whereas Jabra was more of a hothead who was in over his head. King and Queen further continue this trend. While people make the case for Kizaru being sort of goofy, it’s more like Kaku where their true nature is guised behind what seems to be a lighthearted character. Zoro also usually can’t hit his opponent, due to either their durability or their overwhelming fighting style. Someone fast like Kizaru who spams all sorts of light attacks would be the perfect challenge. This could very well be where we see King of Hell Asura, to break through such a perfect defense (Nik gave me this idea). Zoro would already have the attack potency to take down an opponent like Ryokugyu, by the time he fights Kizaru. Zoro's battles always prove to give him a physical challenge that tests his resolve, so I wonder just how far he will be pushed to the brink...
Ever since Ryokugyu’s introduction, people have compared him to Sanji. He mentioned that he hadn’t eaten for three years, but might change that if a pretty woman wanted to feed him.
This was an obvious nod to our favourite cook, who creates dishes for anyone in need (even his enemies), and loves to impress pretty women. Ryokugyu has a devil fruit that embodies nature itself, and it’s interesting that he survives off of it. While Ryokugyu constantly steals the nutrients of others, Sanji is a man that provides it. Sanji is also very selfless, while Ryokugyu is fine with oppressing anyone to preserve the current hierarchy. As well, all of Sanji’s opponents have been overly emotional, in comparison to Zoro’s. Ryokugyu is probably the most annoying admiral to date, and is extremely reactionary. Sanji always puts these crass individuals in their place, utilizing his own emotions as power. Another thing to note is that like Zoro, Sanji’s main struggle comes from being unable to damage his opponents. While Sanji would likely have the speed to keep up with an opponent like Kizaru, his struggle will be breaking through Ryokugyu’s forest durability. Oda had Raizo attack him with a powerful fire attack, to plant the seed that fire is NOT a weakness for him. Sanji will have to come up with something that has even more firepower than Ifrit to take him down.
Sanji's battle will also likely come with an emotional struggle, such as protecting an individual he cares deeply for (Nami or Robin perhaps). Imagine he makes his leg so hot that it surpasses what his body can handle, and he loses one like Zeff. A kind & selfless man carrying the same will as his honourary father.
The wings of the Pirate King will surely take down the strongest soldiers of the marine HQ!
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Did I write too much...?
Personally, I think that Zoro vs Fuji & Sanji vs Kizaru are both shallow connections. The only similarity is that they have similar fighting styles: Zoro/Fujitora are both swordsmen and Sanji/Kizaru are both speedy fighters with strong kicks. Zoro & Fujitora also share an honorable nature, but the same cannot be said for Sanji & Kizaru. Another thing to note is that Kizaru is more of an well rounded fighter, who utilizes projectiles, swordsmanship, and martial arts (including rokushiki).
While mirror matchups can be interesting (Luffy vs Katakuri), I don’t think they need to be overdone or take precedence over stronger themes. In Wano, we saw that Zoro was actually the one matched up against the flying speedster with fire attacks, while Sanji was matched with the slower and tanky powerhouse. Sanji and King were compared twice, which I think was on purpose. You are free to believe otherwise, but I think the theme here was to have Zoro fight a character similar to Sanji, while Sanji simultaneously surpassed that character by using what’s central to him: his passion. King even commented to Zoro that humans cannot surpass someone of his race, and Zoro showed him the strength of pure willpower and tenacity.
I think the pattern of Zoro fighting a character with a fighting style similar to Sanji will persist, with this time having Sanji fight a character with a fighting style similar to Zoro. What I’m expecting is for Sanji to fight the green admiral, while Zoro fights the yellow admiral. Sanji will also undoubtedly surpass Kizaru, as expected of Zoro’s rival.
Sanji also calls Zoro “marimo” or moss head in English, and Ryokugyu is the admiral that wields the power of nature. It’s also interesting that Ryokugyu was introduced with a sheathless sword that looks to me like a black blade. It would be awesome to see Zoro and Sanji defeat admirals that just can’t compare to the comrade that they fight alongside.
Obviously though, I can’t go off of only the relationship they have with each other. These two admirals must challenge the wings thematically. It seems that Kizaru is the unspoken right hand of Akainu, as they have had the longest working relationship as admirals together. They are also often pictured together. Another pattern that many readers have picked up on is that Kizaru has been matched up with various right hand men: Rayleigh, Marco, Ben, and has almost Killed Zoro before. Was it a coincidence that Dark King Rayleigh was the one to save King of Hell Zoro from Kizaru?
Kizaru’s ability is light, yet he is the admiral with “unclear justice.” He seems to be the ultimate emotionless weapon for the marines to count on, as he has no qualms with whatever task he has been given. Zoro on the other hand always has dark and hellish motifs, being called a demon and even using the ability “asura” which is based on this side of him. Unlike Kizaru though, he upholds principles that he believes in, and is a conqueror alongside his captain. This will essentially expand on where Zoro vs King left off, where we see the true power of being the right hand of the pirate king. Zoro often fights opponents that are cold, calculated, or emotionless in nature. Daz Bones played it cool, unlike the flamboyant Bon Clay. Kaku was very analytical in his fighting style, whereas Jabra was more of a hothead who was in over his head. King and Queen further continue this trend. While people make the case for Kizaru being sort of goofy, it’s more like Kaku where their true nature is guised behind what seems to be a lighthearted character. Zoro also usually can’t hit his opponent, due to either their durability or their overwhelming fighting style. Someone fast like Kizaru who spams all sorts of light attacks would be the perfect challenge. This could very well be where we see King of Hell Asura, to break through such a perfect defense (Nik gave me this idea). Zoro would already have the attack potency to take down an opponent like Ryokugyu, by the time he fights Kizaru. Zoro's battles always prove to give him a physical challenge that tests his resolve, so I wonder just how far he will be pushed to the brink...
Ever since Ryokugyu’s introduction, people have compared him to Sanji. He mentioned that he hadn’t eaten for three years, but might change that if a pretty woman wanted to feed him.
This was an obvious nod to our favourite cook, who creates dishes for anyone in need (even his enemies), and loves to impress pretty women. Ryokugyu has a devil fruit that embodies nature itself, and it’s interesting that he survives off of it. While Ryokugyu constantly steals the nutrients of others, Sanji is a man that provides it. Sanji is also very selfless, while Ryokugyu is fine with oppressing anyone to preserve the current hierarchy. As well, all of Sanji’s opponents have been overly emotional, in comparison to Zoro’s. Ryokugyu is probably the most annoying admiral to date, and is extremely reactionary. Sanji always puts these crass individuals in their place, utilizing his own emotions as power. Another thing to note is that like Zoro, Sanji’s main struggle comes from being unable to damage his opponents. While Sanji would likely have the speed to keep up with an opponent like Kizaru, his struggle will be breaking through Ryokugyu’s forest durability. Oda had Raizo attack him with a powerful fire attack, to plant the seed that fire is NOT a weakness for him. Sanji will have to come up with something that has even more firepower than Ifrit to take him down.
Sanji's battle will also likely come with an emotional struggle, such as protecting an individual he cares deeply for (Nami or Robin perhaps). Imagine he makes his leg so hot that it surpasses what his body can handle, and he loses one like Zeff. A kind & selfless man carrying the same will as his honourary father.
The wings of the Pirate King will surely take down the strongest soldiers of the marine HQ!
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Did I write too much...?
This man still think a complete and utter fraud like Lolda is gonna make Zoro and the Cook face the Admirals.
@Warchief Sanji D Goat
This man still think a complete and utter fraud like Lolda is gonna make Zoro and the Cook face the Admirals.
This man still think a complete and utter fraud like Lolda is gonna make Zoro and the Cook face the Admirals.
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First of all I'm a Sanji fan. Second of all did you just reduce the thematic reasoning I mentioned to agenda based bs? I already mentioned that Sanji would have an EASIER time against Kizaru while Zoro would have an EASIER time against Ryokugyu.
Your fault for not reading and summing it up as powerscaling piece.
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Ryokugyu's ability to put out flames is a direct counter to Sanji. Likewise, Kizarus overwhelming speed and spammy attacks are a counter to Zoro.
Future Sanji wouldn't have much trouble keeping up with Kizaru, and it's not like Kizaru has a way to combat flames when it's a haki attack.
On the other hand, Ryokugyu would likely be overpowered by someone like future Zoro.
This could be nonsense but I also noticed that Fujitora is the only paramecia while Akainu, Ryo, and Kizaru are all logias. This could point towards him being an outlier in the marines. Only time will tell.
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@Warchief Sanji D Goat
This man still think a complete and utter fraud like Lolda is gonna make Zoro and the Cook face the Admirals.
This man still think a complete and utter fraud like Lolda is gonna make Zoro and the Cook face the Admirals.
