Character Discussion Zoro vs Sanji who helped more Wano/the alliance more

[Albino 👑]

Who helped more and why?

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[Sir Yasheen]

Sanji was the one who rescued Kinemon back in PH. Kinemon then became one of the leaders of the alliance.

During the war Sanji rescued Momo which the death of Momo would’ve guaranteed the defeat of the alliance as well.

Odas treatment of Zoro in wano is abysmal unless you just care about combat feats.

 

[humanbeing2022]

rescuing Momo was the most important thing for Wano so Sanji wins this. it is not about the strength.

 

[Carrota Guco]

Zoro had a lot of potential but unfortunately he did not deliver the things he said he would. :(

 

[Mackiss]

Impressive how Zoros is the one who said the most and did the least

 

[zenox]

this is enough for zoro tbh

 

[SakazOuki]

this is enough for zoro tbh

This. Who cares if Momo died when his grandpa is alive and kicking, he'll just have another kid.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

This. Who cares if Momo died when his grandpa is alive and kicking, he'll just have another kid.

The people of Wano would’ve cared.
Luffy would’ve cared.

You get Wanos death would’ve killed the Will power of the entire alliance right?

 

[fanboy]

Sanji saved Momo. Sanji saved Zoro. That's all that needs to be said.

 

[SakazOuki]

The people of Wano would’ve cared.
Luffy would’ve cared.

You get Wanos death would’ve killed the Will power of the entire alliance right?

I don't mean who cares emotionally, but result wise. If anyting it'd enrage Luffy and co even further.

 

[RoronoaZorro]

This kind of question requires you to understand the narrative and story to answer.
You can value one action to be more important then the others, but the real answer lies to this fact: if you remove one of them from the raid and the events go normally, who would change the scenario the most?

 

[terabyte]

Zoro:

1. Got the cure to Queen's ice oni disease
2. Saved Luffy, Law, Kid and Killer's lives by blocking Hakai for a few seconds
3. Fought and defeated King

Sanji:

1. Saved Momonosuke and therefore kept the war going, otherwise the samurai would've stopped fighting
2. Saved Chopper from being killed by Queen and many samurai from being killed by Perospero's candy arrows
3. Carried Zoro around to protect him
4. Fought and defeated Queen

I'll give it to Sanji

 

[Galahad]

Let's see.

Zoro:

1. Zoro obtained the weapons for the allies. Without weapons they would do little.
2. Zoro saved Luffy's butt from Apoo in the raid. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
3. He got the antidote from the Korioni. Without him all the allies would be Ko.
4. Zoro saved Luffy's butt from Mom in roof. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
5. Zoro once again saved Luffy's butt from Kaido's Borobreath. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
6. Zoro once again saved Luffy's butt from Big Mom's HaHa no Mi. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
7. Zoro pulled Luffy out of Kaido's jaws. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
8. Zoro saved Luffy's, Kid's, Law's and Killer's butt. The first three much more important than Momo for the Alliance.
9. Zoro was part of the plan to separate Kaido and Big Mom. The most crucial part to have a minimal chance of victory.
10. Once again Zoro saved Luffy from being torn to pieces by Kaido, injuring the latter. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
11. And last but not least, he defeated King, the 2 strongest.

Sanji:

1. He rescued Momo.
2. Sanji defeated Queen, the 3 strongest.

And there are still people who have the nerve to say that Zoro did nothing and that Sanji was more important

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I don't mean who cares emotionally, but result wise. If anyting it'd enrage Luffy and co even further.

Yeah cause luffy fights so well when he’s enraged…

The fact is Momos death would be the end of the war. The samurai and Tama would’ve surrendered which would’ve made the minks surrender and then the few pirates there would’ve been outnumbered and decimated.

 

[zenox]

This. Who cares if Momo died when his grandpa is alive and kicking, he'll just have another kid.

zoro saved the supernovas in hakai , these guys were the ones who brought down the yonkos . momo's death would have def been devastating but the minks and samurais did batshit as compared to the pirates , kid / luffy / law would have still defeated the yonkos nonetheless but if they died in hakai then wano had 0 hope left .

 

[DonWick]

Let's see.

Zoro:

1. Zoro obtained the weapons for the allies. Without weapons they would do little.
2. Zoro saved Luffy's butt from Apoo in the raid. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
3. He got the antidote from the Korioni. Without him all the allies would be Ko.
4. Zoro saved Luffy's butt from Mom in rofftop. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
5. Zoro once again saved Luffy's butt from Kaido's Borobreath. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
6. Zoro once again saved Luffy's butt from Big Mom's HaHa no Mi. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
7. Zoro pulled Luffy out of Kaido's jaws. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
8. Zoro saved Luffy's, Kid's, Law's and Killer's butt. The first three much more important than Momo for the Alliance.
9. Zoro was part of the plan to separate Kaido and Big Mom. The most crucial part to have a minimal chance of victory.
10. Once again Zoro saved Luffy from being torn to pieces by Kaido, injuring the latter. Luffy is the most important member of the alliance, much more than Momo.
11. And last but not least, he defeated King, the 2 strongest.

Sanji:

1. He rescued Momo.
2. Sanji defeated Queen, the 3 strongest.

And there are still people who have the nerve to say that Zoro did nothing and that Sanji was more important

I’m just reposting this for those who believe Sanji did more.

If Zoro doesn’t defeat King who does? Marco or Yamato? Can Yamato do that and protect Momo?

Anyone could have saved Momo Luffy was right there.

 

[Galahad]

I don't mean who cares emotionally, but result wise. If anyting it'd enrage Luffy and co even further.

Yeah cause luffy fights so well when he’s enraged…

The fact is Momos death would be the end of the war. The samurai and Tama would’ve surrendered which would’ve made the minks surrender and then the few pirates there would’ve been outnumbered and decimated.

We have to recognize the importance of Momo, but if the Alliance died, it would have continued, perhaps with more anger. Hiyori could have replaced him. Of course the importance of Momo pales with Luffy, Kid and Law. You have to be fair guys.

 

[Chrono]

Saved Kinemon
Saved Zou
Saved Momo
Took down a Calamity

 

[Fisher one]

You know that can't go to Sanji.

-Zoro cut off the magistrate who was killing the citizens of wano.

-Zoro saved Kinemon's wife, who then intervened to save Tama.

-He participated in the rescue of Tama in the city of Bakura.

-Zoro provided food to the inhabitants of okobore.

-Zoro saved Yasuie who was a great help to the alliance.

-Zoro saved Hiyori and Toko, and later the person Zoro saved healed all the scabbards, without his intervention the scabbards would have all died already.

-Defeated Apoo.

-Gets the antidote which was very crucial at the moment.

-Destroyed Queen's weapon, so he no longer had to target the alliance with his Oni bullets.

-Zoro saved several times Luffy from death.

-Zoro saved the 4 supernovas from certain death.

-Zoro saved the alliance against King and Queen, Marco and Sanji were losing, it's only after Zoro's intervention that they took the advantage.

-Zoro beats King.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

We have to recognize the importance of Momo, but if the Alliance died, it would have continued, perhaps with more anger. Hiyori could have replaced him. Of course the importance of Momo pales with Luffy, Kid and Law. You have to be fair guys.

I think you’re vastly underestimating Momos importance here.

1. With Momos death the entire people of wano lose hope in the battle early on. This means Tama would lose hope along with them meaning no Gifter uprising meaning all the fights would have ended up in losses. Remember the alliance didn’t know Hiyori was alive. Momo was their one and only dream.

2. Even if they don’t immediately surrender, with Momos death Luffy would not have been able to make it back up to Onigashima meaning Kaido would’ve ended the alliance personally and killed or enslaved everyone

3. Finally, even if Luffy finds a way back up to Onigashima, he can’t fight all out because his Bajrang Gun would’ve caused the explosions in Onigashima to explode killing everyone

Momo was the second most important member of the alliance, and in the eyes of many was the most important because of his role in the war as the hopes and dreams of the samurai. Momos influence outweighs kids and laws.

Finally, there’s also the fact that without Sanji there’d be no samurai alliance in the first place. He saved the three most prominent members of the Nine Red Scabbards as well.
1. Kinemon - Leader of the Red Scabbards and organizer of the rebellion would never have left punk hazard if not for Sanji (which also means Momo wouldn’t be traveling with the straw hats)
2. Inuarashi and Nekomamushi - The leader of the Minks see Sanji as the savior of the minks as well.

Again, i don’t think you really understand the fact that the entire alliance was indirectly built on small dominoes Sanji set up. And if he didn’t do what he did in the arcs leading up to wano, the alliance would’ve never been formed and the straw hats would be running head first into a fight with Kaido with just the heart and kid pirates.