Break Week Zoro would hate his own fanbase irl

#41
yeah he gave up everything to save judge and the crew , zoro had his ambition at his highest priority , zoro is the same guy who thinks its either death or winning , he doesnt think the between part like defeat . the same zoro placed luffy's ambition above his ambition , thats more than anything any strawhat has sacrificed . simply giving ur life away isnt evrything .
So I gave you an example of Sanji giving up his dream for Luffy, then an example of him giving up his life for Luffy and in my previous comment an example of him being prepared to break his iron code for Luffy and yet all this doesn't make him as loyal as Zoro. This isn't even just about Sanji, I'm saying EVRY STRAWHAT is equally as loyal, but of course Zoros loyalty will be presented more stoically than Nami or Ussops because their different characters.
 
#43
So I gave you an example of Sanji giving up his dream for Luffy, then an example of him giving up his life for Luffy and in my previous comment an example of him being prepared to break his iron code for Luffy and yet all this doesn't make him as loyal as Zoro. This isn't even just about Sanji, I'm saying EVRY STRAWHAT is equally as loyal, but of course Zoros loyalty will be presented more stoically than Nami or Ussops because their different characters.
Zoro's loyalty is always one above everyone elses' and will always be
 
#44
So I gave you an example of Sanji giving up his dream for Luffy, then an example of him giving up his life for Luffy and in my previous comment an example of him being prepared to break his iron code for Luffy and yet all this doesn't make him as loyal as Zoro. This isn't even just about Sanji, I'm saying EVRY STRAWHAT is equally as loyal, but of course Zoros loyalty will be presented more stoically than Nami or Ussops because their different characters.
lol sanji has never shown to be having his dream more important than his life , last time i saw him he was bitching about dying just cause of ur ambition in zoro vs mihawk . every character is equally loyal ? lmao what rubbish , just reread the shit which happened with usopp, nami and ulti in the raid , tell me thats as much loyal as zoro who regards his ambition so high and still sacrificed it for luffy .
 
#45
Yes Mr Literacy by Sanji offering his life he is giving up his dreams because guess what...........he needs to be alive to accomplish it, so Sanji offered his life for both Zoro and Luffy, unless you're saying that Sanji is more loyal to Zoro than to Luffy?.....again you have no point you're just pulling up isolated panels and pretending like you're saying something. And lets not forget than Sanji was actually prepared to break his iron code of not hitting women and becoming a monster for Luffy, but as Sanji said that is not what Luffy would want.
Lol, he thought he already hit a woman which was the whole dilemma in the first place, but ultimately declined the idea on his own. It was a rhetorical question he asked and answered for himself.

Also, the isolated panels aren't out of context because I'm assuming you actually can read and have previously read, while also possessing the ability to put two and two together. Sanji offered himself after Zoro... meaning he would only die if Zoro allowed it. He demonstrated that he will offer no less, but the scene itself depends on the reader already understanding that he knows Zoro wouldn't actually allow that in the first place. So although he is brave and manly, he is not making a legitimate sacrifice.

Oda doubles down on the concept of ambition later by having Sanji decline Luffy's demand to return, as he believes Luffy's goal isn't directly tied to his own dream.

Meanwhile fucking Zoro mentions pirate king and WSS in the same breath constantly.

Every time I think that Oda is a pretty basic writer, some poor goof comes along to tell us they need things spelled out for them after all.
 
#52
I love how people take Zoro's main characteristics and say other people can do it just as well, yet when they talk about other strawhats, no, they are the best and nobody can compare.

Zoro is the first mate, second hand to luffy, best fighter and most loyal.

What do Zoro haters do?

"Sanji is just as strong as Zoro"

"Nami, Jinbei and Sanji can also be vice captain / right hand man"

"Every straw hat is just as loyal as Zoro"

"Every straw hat would sacrifice their lives for Luffy just like Zoro did in Thriller Bark against Kuma and in the Rooftop against Kaido's and Big Mom's Hakai"

Guess what? Oda shows Zoro doing these things for a reason
Except Sanji is as strong as Zorro, everything else is right

This is what Zoro fans hate. They always think Zoro is different and always find various reasons to belittle other partners, including Luffy. The fact is that everyone treats Luffy the same, not Zoro's most loyal
Zoro fans should stop this conceited behavior
 
#58
lol sanji has never shown to be having his dream more important than his life , last time i saw him he was bitching about dying just cause of ur ambition in zoro vs mihawk . every character is equally loyal ? lmao what rubbish , just reread the shit which happened with usopp, nami and ulti in the raid , tell me thats as much loyal as zoro who regards his ambition so high and still sacrificed it for luffy .
Who said that it's necessarily a good thing to consider a dream more important than your life, especially if the dream is based on the pursuit of self-glory, whereas the life itself you can use to help other people?

Sanji wasn't "bitching" about dying;
Unlike Zoro, who's willing to mutilate his own body as the first possibility of solution that comes to his mind in order to win and survive a bad situation (which led him to hurt himself pointlessly to Mr.3, and also almost to commit the same mistake if Usopp hadn't enough common sense to stop him), Sanji's difference is that Sanji is much smarter, so he could analyse properly the situation and reach the conclusion that the best option would be to ask Robin's help so he would survive, which would be good for himself and for his allies, since Sanji would be much more useful alive than dead. He asked for help partially for his won sake, but not for his own vanity, and the fact that he didn't mind the open humiliation of getting scorned for asking for a woman's help just made his attitude more praiseworthy, since he didn't allow some selfish pride to get in the way of much more important things, such as the importance of staying alive in order to be more helpful to all his friends in the war.

And the proof of his lack of selfishness in face of important things is the fact that he also went as far as to ask Zoro to kill him in case he were to lose his sanity and become a threat after his fight with Queen.

On the other hand Sanji never did something as pathetic as bowing to a man who was supposed to be his goal to surpass, like Zoro did.

To begin with, Luffy is not God, so I don't understand why people speak as if it were always necessarily an absolute good to sacrifice something for Luffy. And in that situation it was very far from necessary for Zoro to beg Mihawk like that. Even assuming that it was really necessary for Zoro to get much stronger and to help Luffy, he still had the option to train to get stronger on his own, without Mihawk's help.
 
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