General & Others Zoro's bounty was still 1.11 billion even if WG knew King was Lunarian
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Its based on general strength and danger level of a character from the view point of the world government
Just like in dressrosa where luffy and law got the same bounty despite even back then luffy being individually stronger and having a stronger crew. Despite that they got the same bounty because they got equal credit for taking doflamingo down
Same exact thing happened in wano
Luffy still being individually stronger and having a stronger crew then law and kid. They still got the same bounty because they got equal credit for taking down kaido and big mom.
Technically technically luffy didn't do anything to big mom at all him only focusing on kaido. He still got credit for both
Bounty is more than just strength and is based on the information the world government has
- Like you can argue that crackers bounty would likely be higher if the world government knew more about him but they dont. They can only base his bounty based on what they believe they know
- Same but in the opposite direction with buggy. Theyve based his bounty on what they believe to be true about him. If what they thought of buggy was actually true his bounty 100% reflects that. Theyre not so in actuality they overestimate him way beyond what he deserves
- Based on the information the world government knows about zoro and sanji they derserve their bounties. They know they beat king and queen their bounties reflecting that
- King and queen's bounties still being higher due to mads, lunarian, casualties, being under kaido, and other accomplishments the world government knows about
Just like in dressrosa where luffy and law got the same bounty despite even back then luffy being individually stronger and having a stronger crew. Despite that they got the same bounty because they got equal credit for taking doflamingo down
Same exact thing happened in wano
Luffy still being individually stronger and having a stronger crew then law and kid. They still got the same bounty because they got equal credit for taking down kaido and big mom.
Technically technically luffy didn't do anything to big mom at all him only focusing on kaido. He still got credit for both
Bounty is more than just strength and is based on the information the world government has
Comparing apple with orange. Zoro and Sanji bounties reflect the opponents they beat, King and Queen. So I am using bounties to gauge the strength of the beaten opponent (King and Queen here). Luffy, Law and Kidd are the ones who beat their opponents not the one who were beaten like King and Queen so this comparison does not work.
Luffy was knocked unconscious by Apoo and needed Zoro to protect him from Apoo and fodders. Luffy needed Zoro to protect them on a rooftop.
Luffy never made Kaido his bitch. It was the direct opposite. Kaido beat Luffy 4 times and could have killed him throughout the battles. If it wasn't for Luffy receiving the biggest ass pull in One Piece he would be dead.
Kaido couldn't knock out Zoro with TB who had 20 to 30 broken bones at the time so you can drop that BS.
Bounties are meant to be how much of a threat level the government views you. It does not reflect the strength of their opponents. That's the reason WCI Luffy bounty was less than strength of the 2 YC he beat. Their total bounty was above 1.8B. They were just 2 of BM YC. Luffy bounty came from entering BM territory, facing BM, messing up her plans and beating 2 YC.
Yes, it ca be seen from that Zoro's bounty did not represent everything he did during Wano.
Luffy never made Kaido his bitch. It was the direct opposite. Kaido beat Luffy 4 times and could have killed him throughout the battles. If it wasn't for Luffy receiving the biggest ass pull in One Piece he would be dead.
Kaido couldn't knock out Zoro with TB who had 20 to 30 broken bones at the time so you can drop that BS.
Bounties are meant to be how much of a threat level the government views you. It does not reflect the strength of their opponents. That's the reason WCI Luffy bounty was less than strength of the 2 YC he beat. Their total bounty was above 1.8B. They were just 2 of BM YC. Luffy bounty came from entering BM territory, facing BM, messing up her plans and beating 2 YC.
Yes, it ca be seen from that Zoro's bounty did not represent everything he did during Wano.
Tbf zoro and sanji's bounties are reflective of more than just their strength as well. Them like every other emperor subordinates getting boosted due to them being under emperors
The world government knows they beat king and queen and knows they're stronger
Meaning if king and queen's bounties were 100% strength related it would at the very very least be under 1.111 billion and 1.032 billion
The world government knows they beat king and queen and knows they're stronger
Meaning if king and queen's bounties were 100% strength related it would at the very very least be under 1.111 billion and 1.032 billion
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Snakeman who extreme diffed Katakuri made Kaido his bitch.
Zoro fainted from non haki stab. It took Apoo's strongest attack to KO luffy and even then Luffy got up in few seconds. Zoro needed 2 days with treatment to recover from hakiless Killer's stab.
TB landed on Zoro's body. 1 shots him if it lands on Zoro's head. Attack to the head>>>attack to the body. Oden got 1 shot by Kaido who hit his head while weaker Oden withstood Kamusari that hit his body.
TB blitzes and 1 shoots current Zoro. No shame to admit someone who does not have Future Sight and frail body like Zoro got 1 shot by Thunder Bagua.
Zoro is still a glass canon who fainted from non haki Killer's stab.
Bounties reflect the strength of the opponents you beat. King and Queen are frauds because Zoro and Sanji bounties after beating them were lower than them.
Luffy's bounty was not inflated though. He still got 1.5 billion berries after beating Katakuri and Cracker.
Zoro and Sanji bounties are inflated. But they still got less than 1.2 billion berries.
Does not change my point. Luffy was viewed as a bigger threat after beating Katakuri and Cracker despite his bounty was not inflated since he is the captain.
While Zoro and Sanji despite inflation due to being Luffy's subordinate still had bounties lower than 1.2 billion berries because WG viewed that beating King and Queen are small threats.
Zoro fainted from non haki stab. It took Apoo's strongest attack to KO luffy and even then Luffy got up in few seconds. Zoro needed 2 days with treatment to recover from hakiless Killer's stab.
TB landed on Zoro's body. 1 shots him if it lands on Zoro's head. Attack to the head>>>attack to the body. Oden got 1 shot by Kaido who hit his head while weaker Oden withstood Kamusari that hit his body.
TB blitzes and 1 shoots current Zoro. No shame to admit someone who does not have Future Sight and frail body like Zoro got 1 shot by Thunder Bagua.
Zoro is still a glass canon who fainted from non haki Killer's stab.
Bounties reflect the strength of the opponents you beat. King and Queen are frauds because Zoro and Sanji bounties after beating them were lower than them.
Luffy's bounty was not inflated though. He still got 1.5 billion berries after beating Katakuri and Cracker.
Zoro and Sanji bounties are inflated. But they still got less than 1.2 billion berries.
Does not change my point. Luffy was viewed as a bigger threat after beating Katakuri and Cracker despite his bounty was not inflated since he is the captain.
While Zoro and Sanji despite inflation due to being Luffy's subordinate still had bounties lower than 1.2 billion berries because WG viewed that beating King and Queen are small threats.
The fact that you are comparing WCI Luffy snakeman to War Wano Luffy, like Luffy didn't improve and grow stronger throughout Wano, already tells me this post is nothing but BS and headcannon.
We all get it. You hate Zorro more than anything else. That's why you always create a few threads throughout the week proclaiming your hatred for him.
Here is the reality. It doesn't matter how many times you post headcannon it won't become fact It's like a lie. You can tell a lie 50 million times and ii still won't become fact.
Cheers for creating another account just to hate on Zoro. It's still good business for Oda.
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We all get it. You hate Zorro more than anything else. That's why you always create a few threads throughout the week proclaiming your hatred for him.
Here is the reality. It doesn't matter how many times you post headcannon it won't become fact It's like a lie. You can tell a lie 50 million times and ii still won't become fact.
Cheers for creating another account just to hate on Zoro. It's still good business for Oda.
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Wano Luffy and WCI Luffy had similar speed. Luffy training in udon was armament. CoC coating does not boost speed. Katakuri's speed level Snakeman made Kaido his bitch forcing Kaido to get stronger while Kaido did not to get stronger by using FS and copying nakeman speed to 1 shot current Zoro.
Zoro does not have Future Sight. He gets blitzed by Thunder Bagua.
Never tanked physical yonko attack that hit his head.
Sadly TB to the head 1 shots current Zoro unless Zoro learns Future Sight.
It is what it is.
Zoro does not have Future Sight. He gets blitzed by Thunder Bagua.
Never tanked physical yonko attack that hit his head.
Sadly TB to the head 1 shots current Zoro unless Zoro learns Future Sight.
It is what it is.
WCI Luffy strength and speed It's not similar to Wano war Luffy. Luffy spend time in the prison improving his base stats and FS.
Kaido didn't grow stronger during the war. He just used FS and completely put Luffy's snakeman and FS to shame.
Zoro tanked hakai that hit his entire body. Not just head. He took TB afterwards and it couldn't knock him out. Asura mode easily deals with FS.
I can see you're still upset Katakuri lost to Caesar and oven. Two veteran level fighters. Don't be upset because he's the weakest YC1.
Kaido didn't grow stronger during the war. He just used FS and completely put Luffy's snakeman and FS to shame.
Zoro tanked hakai that hit his entire body. Not just head. He took TB afterwards and it couldn't knock him out. Asura mode easily deals with FS.
I can see you're still upset Katakuri lost to Caesar and oven. Two veteran level fighters. Don't be upset because he's the weakest YC1.
WCI Luffy strength and speed It's not similar to Wano war Luffy. Luffy spend time in the prison improving his base stats and FS.
Kaido didn't grow stronger during the war. He just used FS and completely put Luffy's snakeman and FS to shame.
Zoro tanked hakai that hit his entire body. Not just head.
I can see you're still upset Katakuri lost to Caesar and oven. Two veteran level fighters. Don't be upset because he's the weakest YC1.
Kaido didn't grow stronger during the war. He just used FS and completely put Luffy's snakeman and FS to shame.
Zoro tanked hakai that hit his entire body. Not just head.
I can see you're still upset Katakuri lost to Caesar and oven. Two veteran level fighters. Don't be upset because he's the weakest YC1.
Post Udon Luffy got blitzed by Thunder Bagua chapter 1042. Luffy's speed was consistent. Or do you have panels of Luffy training his speed in Udon? Panels of Luffy training only shows his armament training.
Kaido had to get stronger by using FS and copying Snakeman speed to keep up with Katakuri's speed level Snakeman. Afterward, Kaido did not us Future Sight again and copy Snakeman speed since he was not in Thief mode. Kaido was at his strongest when he was fighting Snakeman speed level Katakuri since that Kaido was using FS and copying Snakeman speed. Kaido was weaker when he was fighting Nika Luffy (non Bajrang Gun).
The point remains though? He only used Future Sight and copied Snakeman movement only when he was fighting Snakeman Luffy. He did not use FS or copy Snakeman movement when he was fighting Zoro. Zoro was viewed beneath Snakeman that extreme diffed Katakuri since Kaido did not need to use FS or Snakeman. Kaido even did not use Thunder Bagua against Ashura because plot prevented him. Thunder Bagua blitzes Ashura and knocks him out.
In term of power level,
Kaido who was fighting Bajrang Gun Nika Luffy>Kaido who was fighting Snakeman (FS+copying Snakeman movement)>Kaido who was fighting Nika Luffy without Bajrang Gun.
Katakuri also put Snakeman Luffy to shame that does not mean Katakuri was as fast as Snakeman. Same with Kaido's case here. Moreover Snakeman Luffy did not use his faster attacks like King Cobra and Black Mamba. Kaido who had to get stronger by using FS and copying Snakeman movement was as fast as Snakeman Luffy.
It seems like you are gnoring my rebuttal to your "Zoro tanked TB" that Zoro took TB that hit his body. TB to the head kills him. I also already showed with example that Kaido hit to Oden's head knocked him out while Oden withstood Kamusari that hit his body. Zoro blocked Hakai. he never tanked it fully. Surviving a car crash does not mean you can tank an attack from Mike Tyson. Zoro remains a glass canon unless he shows feat tanking physical yonko attack to the head not to his body.
Losing to Yeti Cool brothers, Caesar errand boys and got hurt by gifters are more embarrassing.
None of Katakuri's worst feat is worse than Zoro's worst feat.
TB still blitzes and 1 shots current Zoro. Kaido did not need to get stronger by using FS and copying Snakeman movement.
Do you think Kaido had to get stronger by using FS and Snakeman speed to 1 shot Zoro or King? Judging from Snakeman vs Kaido it's obvious that Kaido had to get stronger by using FS and copying Snakeman speed to beat Katakuri but he does not need that to 1 shot current Zoro or King.
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Luffy was training the entrie time.
Hold this:
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Get out of here with your headcannon. Imagine creating a secondary account to push headcannon just to be proven wrong.
Hold this:
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Get out of here with your headcannon. Imagine creating a secondary account to push headcannon just to be proven wrong.
The panels you postes are in chapter 935. In chapter 936, Queen removed the sea stone cuff from Luffy so in the end Luffy never trained with sea stone. That claim was empty promise. Luffy training afterward after Luffy sea stone cuff was removed by Queen was armament haki training. No speed trainibg done by Luffy.
No need to feel insecure because Kaido had to het stronger by using FS and copying Snakeman speed to beat Katakuri looking from how Snakeman treating Kaido like a bitch while Thunder Bagua blitzes and 1 shots non FS and glass canon Zoro who never tanked yonko physical attack that landed on his head
That' the same thing pre TS Zoro said. Do you think Zoro referred to gettibg faster too? If you say so this is pathetic because Sanji wasn't training at all when Zoro was training all day but he's still relative to Sanji pare TS in speed.
The panels you postes are in chapter 935. In chapter 936, Queen removed the sea stone cuff from Luffy so in the end Luffy never trained with sea stone. That claim was empty promise. Luffy training afterward after Luffy sea stone cuff was removed by Queen was armament haki training. No speed trainibg done by Luffy.
No need to feel insecure because Kaido had to het stronger by using FS and copying Snakeman speed to beat Katakuri looking from how Snakeman treating Kaido like a bitch while Thunder Bagua blitzes and 1 shots non FS and glass canon Zoro who never tanked yonko physical attack that landed on his head
The panels you postes are in chapter 935. In chapter 936, Queen removed the sea stone cuff from Luffy so in the end Luffy never trained with sea stone. That claim was empty promise. Luffy training afterward after Luffy sea stone cuff was removed by Queen was armament haki training. No speed trainibg done by Luffy.
No need to feel insecure because Kaido had to het stronger by using FS and copying Snakeman speed to beat Katakuri looking from how Snakeman treating Kaido like a bitch while Thunder Bagua blitzes and 1 shots non FS and glass canon Zoro who never tanked yonko physical attack that landed on his head
SH grow stronger after every island and major battle. I provided facts supporting my claim that showed Luffy spent time training in Udon. That was before his seastone cuffs were removed.
Weight training increases your speed. Zoro doesn't have a lot of size for his strength. He benefits more from weight training than someone twice his size.
Just because Oda doesn't spend time showing the other SH train doesn't mean they don't spend time training.
Are you serious? Did you just create a third account just to respond to my post. This is beyond pathetic.
SH grow stronger after every island and major battle. I provided facts supporting my claim that showed Luffy spent time training in Udon. That was before his seastone cuffs were removed.
Weight training increases your speed. Zoro doesn't have a lot of size for his strength. He benefits more from weight training than someone twice his size.
Just because Oda doesn't spend time showing the other SH train doesn't mean they don't spend time training.
SH grow stronger after every island and major battle. I provided facts supporting my claim that showed Luffy spent time training in Udon. That was before his seastone cuffs were removed.
Weight training increases your speed. Zoro doesn't have a lot of size for his strength. He benefits more from weight training than someone twice his size.
Just because Oda doesn't spend time showing the other SH train doesn't mean they don't spend time training.
If Luffy got stronger after WCI for fighting Katakuri the same thing can be said for Katakuri he got stronger physically too for fighting Luffy so no speed gap between them since Luffy's training in Udon was armament no speed training.
Bodybuilder hit slower than a boxer it is also pathetic how you agree how Zoro got faster after weight training because you admit that Zoro without weight training is much slower than Sanji.
Luffy never did any weight training in Udon.
Luffy's claim he'll get stronger if he trained with sea stone cuff implied he did not get any stronger at all by beating bunch of fodders with sea stone cuff. he'll get stronger if he kept doing that but Queen freed his sea stone cuffs. So Luffy's claim he'll get stronger with sea stone cuff was an empty promise.
Luffy's training afterward was armament haki training no speed training. Cope all you want that how Oda portrayed Luffy in Udon.
Luffy did not get faster from his training in Udon just like Zoro did not get faster from his weight training.
Bodybuilder is a turtle compared to boxers despite bodybuilder has much muscle mass.
No it doesn't troll. Oda never showed Sanji training at all only Zoro's. Either admit Zoro without weight training was much slower than Sanji or weight training did not make Zoro faster just like Luffy's training in Udon did not make Luffy faster.
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