Powers & Abilities Zoro’s power progression

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

- better CoA
- Nidai Kitetsu
- Stronger Ashura due to the stronger curse
- better CoO against Shiliew
- he will turn black all his blades against Mihawk after BB and the WG defeat

look at a sanji fan commenting rationally on a zoro thread, lets do same. the toxicity has to stop .

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He will turn his blade black after yonko saga
Near the end of OP
He wont fight Mihawk

These are facts even if you deny it

facts based on what?

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mihawk's eyes are really interesting
pretimeskip everytime he was attacked special attention was given ti his eye before he blocks it
here is a panel

 

[Garps tekkai]

I put the demon form thing in the poll because it’s not clear where it comes from so I can’t speculate on it here

I don’t think the sword really has anything to do with that since Hitetsu is right there and he doesn’t mention that his sword has demon powers or something

Hmm, don't know mate. There are a whole lot of other swords that can rival atleast Sandai's grade. What would be the payoff for handling the curse?
Additionally something like Ashura has to have some sort of origin. No 'Zorotard fanboy speech' here or anything, but for me it actually makes somewhat sense. Or atleast it might offer an explanation for such a thing.
And Hitetsu's info drop simply might be held back because of the narrative.

Though if that counts as off topic, then I will stop it obviously.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

What would be the payoff for handling the curse?

But law’s sword is cursed too and there’s no demon form

I think Hitetsu explains what the ultimate pay off is for ALL these swords really... the pay off is the swords force you to be stronger to use them... Hitetsu as well says “Enma works similarly to a cursed sword in that the weak can’t wield it”

Therefore I think all Zoro’s swords are like this... Wado,Sandai, Shusui, Enma... they are all like training wheels that Zoro just has to overcome and he gets stronger by overcoming them and that’s it

 

[Zenos7]

He will turn his blade black after yonko saga
Near the end of OP
He wont fight Mihawk

These are facts even if you deny it

i dont think you know what the term "fact" means..

get better soon

 

[Garps tekkai]

But law’s sword is cursed too and there’s no demon form

I think Hitetsu explains what the ultimate pay off is for ALL these swords really... the pay off is the swords force you to be stronger to use them... Hitetsu as well says “Enma works similarly to a cursed sword in that the weak can’t wield it”

Therefore I think all Zoro’s swords are like this... Wado,Sandai, Shusui, Enma... they are all like training wheels that Zoro just has to overcome and he gets stronger by overcoming them and that’s it

Okay, you got a point.
For Enma the payoff is a noteworthy PU, especially cause he can still benefit from that haki absorbing quirk, even if he has tamed it, besides getting much better haki control (which is great)
But without such a rather special quirk it doesn't really feel like a significant PU. Nidai would therefore be more of a minor PU, similiar to Luffy's Udon labour work training, which wouldn't be a problem, but wouldn't meet my personal expectations. What's your take on that?

And where do you think does something like Asura come from?

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Okay, you got a point.
For Enma the payoff is a noteworthy PU, especially cause he can still benefit from that haki absorbing quirk, even if he has tamed it, besides getting much better haki control (which is great)
But without such a rather special quirk it doesn't really feel like a significant PU. Nidai would therefore be more of a minor PU, similiar to Luffy's Udon labour work training, which wouldn't be a problem, but wouldn't meet my personal expectations. What's your take on that?

And where do you think does something like Asura come from?

I’m cynical when it comes to Ashura... i full believe Oda just made that up and thought about it afterwards and realised it was a bad idea and scrapped it and it will probably never return in the series again

I only put it in the power progression post because most people think it will get an explanation and return

But yeah, there would have to be a specific quirk to the Nidai for it to be somewhat different from Enma so I think the curse will just be stronger... originally the Sandai was supposed to mess with The swordsman’s killing intent or something and make them kill more people and get into fights until they themselves die from too much fighting... This didn’t happen with Zoro of course, he basically bodied the sword immediately... Maybe the Nidai could actually do this... Like Zoro goes berserk or something but then learns to control himself and unlocks what’s essentially a berserker rage mode in case he needs one like the Battousai state for Kenshin Himura in rurouni Kenshin

 

[Zenos7]

I’m cynical when it comes to Ashura... i full believe Oda just made that up and thought about it afterwards and realised it was a bad idea and scrapped it and it will probably never return in the series again

I only put it in the power progression post because most people think it will get an explanation and return

But yeah, there would have to be a specific quirk to the Nidai for it to be somewhat different from Enma so I think the curse will just be stronger... originally the Sandai was supposed to mess with The swordsman’s killing intent or something and make them kill more people and get into fights until they themselves die from too much fighting... This didn’t happen with Zoro of course, he basically bodied the sword immediately... Maybe the Nidai could actually do this... Like Zoro goes berserk or something but then learns to control himself and unlocks what’s essentially a berserker rage mode in case he needs one like the Battousai state for Kenshin Himura in rurouni Kenshin

completely scrapping asura would be a garbage way to go about it, especially considering that sanjis DJ is as ambiguous and he is spamming it without Spinning

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

completely scrapping asura would be a garbage way to go about it, especially considering that sanjis DJ is as ambiguous and he is spamming it without Spinning

I think Oda got away with Sanji's DJ by making basically evryone have fire powers out of no where... Now fire powers are so common that you don't need to actuaaly explain where they came from... you can just say they are everywhere

I remember back i n the day when people thought Mihawk would have a demon form too or that demon forms are ubiquituous with high tier swordsman ship like only found in the new world... WELL NO... Turns out Ashura is just a fluke freak of nature ability literally no one else in the verse can explain or has demonstrated... Even in Wano, the swordsmanship paradise all anyone talks about is Haki and grade swords...

See now this is where my cynicism comes in, Theres very little chance that 1000 Chapters in, Zoro is the only person in the verse with his own power system. like whether it can be explained, literally no one else in 1000 chapters can do it except zoro so thats why i figured this is a retcon now. Now Zoro just can't do it since Oda's original concept for what it was fell through

 

[nik87]

I think Oda got away with Sanji's DJ by making basically evryone have fire powers out of no where... Now fire powers are so common that you don't need to actuaaly explain where they came from... you can just say they are everywhere

I remember back i n the day when people thought Mihawk would have a demon form too or that demon forms are ubiquituous with high tier swordsman ship like only found in the new world... WELL NO... Turns out Ashura is just a fluke freak of nature ability literally no one else in the verse can explain or has demonstrated... Even in Wano, the swordsmanship paradise all anyone talks about is Haki and grade swords...

See now this is where my cynicism comes in, Theres very little chance that 1000 Chapters in, Zoro is the only person in the verse with his own power system. like whether it can be explained, literally no one else in 1000 chapters can do it except zoro so thats why i figured this is a retcon now. Now Zoro just can't do it since Oda's original concept for what it was fell through

Wanna bet whether Asura will be seen post TS?
If it still exists you have to post Zoro too stronk 9 times a day.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Wanna bet whether Asura will be seen post TS?
If it still exists you have to post Zoro too stronk 9 times a day.

I’ll concede is it comes back post time skip... I’ll surrender completely if it gets a reasonable explanation... And I’ll praise Goda if somehow that explanation can explain why zoro is the only one who can do this without the story going into pure ass pull territory

 

[Garps tekkai]

I’m cynical when it comes to Ashura... i full believe Oda just made that up and thought about it afterwards and realised it was a bad idea and scrapped it and it will probably never return in the series again

I only put it in the power progression post because most people think it will get an explanation and return

But yeah, there would have to be a specific quirk to the Nidai for it to be somewhat different from Enma so I think the curse will just be stronger... originally the Sandai was supposed to mess with The swordsman’s killing intent or something and make them kill more people and get into fights until they themselves die from too much fighting... This didn’t happen with Zoro of course, he basically bodied the sword immediately... Maybe the Nidai could actually do this... Like Zoro goes berserk or something but then learns to control himself and unlocks what’s essentially a berserker rage mode in case he needs one like the Battousai state for Kenshin Himura in rurouni Kenshin

Yeah, I mean rightfully you put it up. It's obviously still up for debate :D
Ashura is a shady one. Thing is, I always think about all the known attributes in which specific characters could possibly get a level up in. If we go under the assumption that a guy like Zoro will surpass a guy like Mihawk, it should't really be possible by just obtaining superb haki or some not even really noteworthy stat boosts. This way he might even end up as a watered down version of him.
That's why I always went with the possibility of Ashura or in this case, the postulated demon form of the Nidai, becoming a mode. This way he would have something with which he could edge out Mihawk's higher experience and most likely better stats. And before we had this little argument here, I would have said, their origin could come from the respective curse.
But you have good point, like I said before. Especially that Law argument got me good. Hmmm..

But you are also betting on a mode like power up regarding the Nidai. Seems like we in agreement that something like this might be a necessity.

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

I think Oda got away with Sanji's DJ by making basically evryone have fire powers out of no where... Now fire powers are so common that you don't need to actuaaly explain where they came from... you can just say they are everywhere

I remember back i n the day when people thought Mihawk would have a demon form too or that demon forms are ubiquituous with high tier swordsman ship like only found in the new world... WELL NO... Turns out Ashura is just a fluke freak of nature ability literally no one else in the verse can explain or has demonstrated... Even in Wano, the swordsmanship paradise all anyone talks about is Haki and grade swords...

See now this is where my cynicism comes in, Theres very little chance that 1000 Chapters in, Zoro is the only person in the verse with his own power system. like whether it can be explained, literally no one else in 1000 chapters can do it except zoro so thats why i figured this is a retcon now. Now Zoro just can't do it since Oda's original concept for what it was fell through

It's a sign of Zoro's ascension to Sword God-hood

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It's a sign of Zoro's ascension to Sword God-hood

That’s what I thought like six years ago when I saw it for the first time... but with this black blade business introduced... it seems it has nothin to do with it at all

 

[ZoroGang]

That’s what I thought like six years ago when I saw it for the first time... but with this black blade business introduced... it seems it has nothin to do with it at all

It hasn’t been expanded upon yet bro just wait

 

[Cyrus the Cactus]

That’s what I thought like six years ago when I saw it for the first time... but with this black blade business introduced... it seems it has nothin to do with it at all

I dunno, seeing as how there's so many Buddhist elements surrounding Zoro, with him even having a sword named after a Buddhist deity, I can't help but think Oda put more thought into it

 

[Zenos7]

I think Oda got away with Sanji's DJ by making basically evryone have fire powers out of no where... Now fire powers are so common that you don't need to actuaaly explain where they came from... you can just say they are everywhere

I remember back i n the day when people thought Mihawk would have a demon form too or that demon forms are ubiquituous with high tier swordsman ship like only found in the new world... WELL NO... Turns out Ashura is just a fluke freak of nature ability literally no one else in the verse can explain or has demonstrated... Even in Wano, the swordsmanship paradise all anyone talks about is Haki and grade swords...

See now this is where my cynicism comes in, Theres very little chance that 1000 Chapters in, Zoro is the only person in the verse with his own power system. like whether it can be explained, literally no one else in 1000 chapters can do it except zoro so thats why i figured this is a retcon now. Now Zoro just can't do it since Oda's original concept for what it was fell through

I’ll concede is it comes back post time skip... I’ll surrender completely if it gets a reasonable explanation... And I’ll praise Goda if somehow that explanation can explain why zoro is the only one who can do this without the story going into pure ass pull territory

like what exactly? kinnemon?

You cant really justify it that way, because it still has no explanation. DJ that is.

I do generally agree though, both are kinda asspulls, until oda properly establishes what they are.

i still cant imagine oda scrapping asura...

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

like what exactly? kinnemon?

You cant really justify it that way, because it still has no explanation. DJ that is.

I do generally agree though, both are kinda asspulls, until oda properly establishes what they are.

i still cant imagine oda scrapping asura...

You haven’t noticed the all the characters who can create fire at will? Sanji, Luffy, Zoro, Kin’emon, Rob lucci, Doflamingo, Katakuri , Hold’em, some Charlotte children... None of these guys has been explained how they create fire out of nowhere but they don’t have to really

And the reason I think Ashura has been scrapped is it’s been over 10 years now since it’s ever appeared in the story so usually I take that as a thing being scrapped

 

[nik87]

And the reason I think Ashura has been scrapped is it’s been over 10 years now since it’s ever appeared in the story so usually I take that as a thing being scrapped

Impatience and lack of faith in 9 sworded demon god is all I see.

 

[Finalbeta]

We will witness his true progression post training.

 

[Zenos7]

You haven’t noticed the all the characters who can create fire at will? Sanji, Luffy, Zoro, Kin’emon, Rob lucci, Doflamingo, Katakuri , Hold’em, some Charlotte children... None of these guys has been explained how they create fire out of nowhere but they don’t have to really

And the reason I think Ashura has been scrapped is it’s been over 10 years now since it’s ever appeared in the story so usually I take that as a thing being scrapped

nah he had peeps react to asura. there is no way he is just scrapping it lmao xD

thats wishful thinking tbh.

i dont remember lucci or doflamingo creating fire.

and granted, there are some (if i may add boa sisters and pearl), they are different to what sanji is doing.