Questions & Mysteries The warlords are the losers of their generation

#21
Xebec failed at his dream he is by definition a loser. Oden failed at his dream by definitions. Mihawk succeeded by definition a winner.
I mean Xebec war was hardest know goal to achieve ... only cause you failed at 1 thing in your life it don't make you a loser

Xebec Dream > Being Pirate King > Surpassing Mihawk
 
#24
2) Doflamingo had the same goal (it´s no coincidence DD, Croc and Moria were shown during Roger´s execution, they adopted the Pirate King goal, albeit with a different interpretation than Roger), also understood he can´t overcome the Yonkou on an individual basis without even fighting them, hence tried sneakier ways to do it.
Doffy never had aspirations for pirate king. Doffy’s sole purpose in life was to spite the celestial dragons by destroying the world they rule over.
 
#25
Still failed
Definition of loser:
a person or thing that loses or has lost something, especially a game or contest.
we are not talking about dictionary here

with this if we have enough information about people ... every single man and woman in the world and history is a loser cause they lost something or at something at some point

Luffy himself is a loser cause he lost his brother and failed to save him from marine ford

every person should have lost something in their life


one defeat should not define a man ...
 
#27
And then you realize that Warlords are going to outlast the Emperors.
Warlords ... are gone since 957 ...

no warlord exist in one piece world anymore ...

it'll toke a war to take down a Emperor
Warlords GOT FIRED :whitepress:
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lol ... I guess you just want to deny then :cheers:
 
#34
Doffy’s goal is to spite the celestial dragons, not to become pirate king.
Yes, it does have nothing to do with becoming Pirate King, because his interpretation of Pirate King is the most powerful being in the world. Why do you think the executives go around calling him "my king" all the time? Because they know that´s his goal.
His intent to drag down the Celestial Dragons neither negates nor contradicts becoming Pirate King, it´s his way of accomplishing that.
 
#35
Yes, it does have nothing to do with becoming Pirate King, because his interpretation of Pirate King is the most powerful being in the world. Why do you think the executives go around calling him "my king" all the time? Because they know that´s his goal.
His intent to drag down the Celestial Dragons neither negates nor contradicts becoming Pirate King, it´s his way of accomplishing that.
Doffy doesn’t care for being a pirate. His only aim was to tear around the world around him. Hence him arming Kaido to make the greatest war in the world.

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Doflamingo isn’t interested in being a pirate, he becomes what is expedient to achieve his aim of tearing down the celestial dragons.
 
#36
Doffy doesn’t care for being a pirate. His only aim was to tear around the world around him. Hence him arming Kaido to make the greatest war in the world.

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Doflamingo isn’t interested in being a pirate, he becomes what is expedient to achieve his aim of tearing down the celestial dragons.
Once again does not negate, dude, these statements have a context.
Doflamingo´s ultimate goal is to pull down the Celestial Dragons, he does not care the way he does it.
He still chose the way of pirate because it´s the most logical and viable thing to do.
Pirate King is not his ultimate goal, he cares about it in regards to getting the power to establish his actual goal.
In contrast, Bellamy is a new age pirate through and through and only wants to advance within that mindset, hence the difference.

Characters have a context.

And the war stuff with Kaidou is inconclusive, it was never implied once Doflamingo´s interest was beyond a business partner for Kaidou, that´s just your one-sided interpretation.
 
#37
crocodile, doflamingo, buggy, mihawk, moria are the losers that bended their will to yonkous, while yonkous like shanks, kaidou are the winners and this will transpire to the worst generation of supernovas

the 11 are 4 yonkous+ 7 walords equivalent, with 4 of them becoming the best pirates and the other 7 bending their will to them like zoro, kamazo
 
#38
Once again does not negate, dude, these statements have a context.
Doflamingo´s ultimate goal is to pull down the Celestial Dragons, he does not care the way he does it.
He still chose the way of pirate because it´s the most logical and viable thing to do.
Pirate King is not his ultimate goal, he cares about it in regards to getting the power to establish his actual goal.
In contrast, Bellamy is a new age pirate through and through and only wants to advance within that mindset, hence the difference.

Characters have a context.

And the war stuff with Kaidou is inconclusive, it was never implied once Doflamingo´s interest was beyond a business partner for Kaidou, that´s just your one-sided interpretation.
My point is that Doflamingo is not interested with usurping the emperors of the sea or anything like that.
His not playing some 4d chess to try and bring down Kaido. He was enthusiastically working with Kaido because their goals and interests aligned.
 
#39
My point is that Doflamingo is not interested with usurping the emperors of the sea or anything like that.
His not playing some 4d chess to try and bring down Kaido. He was enthusiastically working with Kaido because their goals and interests aligned.
Never claimed he did, his mid goal is PK, having power enough to pull the CDs down.
Also never shown or implied.
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This is how DD saw their business deal



He was holding the reins, even uses leash.
It´s no coincidence the dude with the literal puppet ability uses this metaphor.
 
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