Powers & Abilities Enma General Discussion Power-up / Black Blade

[Fn Lucci]

How does it not make sense when Zoro himself stated that by the time he is done mastering Enma, he will be much stronger? Do you think he gave up Shusui out of the kindness of his heart? Of course not. He gave up Shusui for Enma because Enma is going to bring him one step closer to accomplishing his dream by making him stronger.

I fail to understand how you guys can so adamantly argue against something that was written by Oda, and stated by Zoro using the logic "we can't see what it has boosted for him so therefore it's not a powerup." We only see what Oda wants us to see, but that doesn't detract from what he has told us.

Let me ask you, do you think that if Zoro was never given Enma, that he will be as strong by the end of this fight than he would be by getting Enma? If so, then what was the whole point of giving him Enma and telling us it's going to make him stronger? There would be no point. However strong Zoro ends up after this is strictly because of Enma, ergo Enma is a powerup.

What you said doesn't make sense because you can't have something intangible that also seems like something. It's either apparent or it's not. You can't read between the lines on what we don't even know about his Haki and also say that the differences someone would look for don't exist at the same time. Get it? I hope so. You're arguing that we shouldn't just go by what's presented to us, and that's not a good point.

On his motivation for Enma... if you watch the anime I'll give you a pass. In the manga, Zoro DOESN'T comment on what Hiyori says about its properties. His acceptance is based on understanding the significance of Shusui (maybe it helps that unlike Kinemon, she didn't try to kick his ass) as well as the general idea of a replacement. He had no actual knowledge of what grade the sword is or how hard it is to tame.

Why are we fighting to determine that Enma isn't like the Raid Suit? Because it's not. Fifty percent of the people who argue that have some sort of complex about Zoro. The other half along with them is just inaccurate.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Zoro lives rent free in Lukegrander head

 

[trav]

therefore haki is not a power up. That's basically what you guys are saying

what we are saying is that the TRAINING DONE WITH ENMA is the power up, not the sword itself.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Enma is not an instant power-up. It's similar to Luffy's Advanced CoA. You have to train for it. The RS is instant but you can't wear it all the time. It's a temporary power-up while Enma and CoA is permanent.

 

[M944]

I wonder which explanation people will found now ?
Weeks by weeks it's getting worse

Zoro didn't Mastered Enma ? Wrong he can use it as he wish
Once you mastered Enma, it became a normal sword ? Wrong, Depicts as an abnormal sword
Everyone even Younko hype this sword

Do you accept or you need more proofs from Oda

 

[Jo_Ndule]

I wonder which explanation people will found now ?
Weeks by weeks it's getting worse

Zoro didn't Mastered Enma ? Wrong he can use it as he wish
Once you mastered Enma, it became a normal sword ? Wrong, Depicts as an abnormal sword
Everyone even Younko hype this sword

Do you accept or you need more proofs from Oda

They'll keep denying it

 

[M944]

I know but I want to see their new explanation

 

[sanjikun]

I don't know what the fuck to think anymore. I'm as confused as whether Luffy is using advanced CoA with G4.

 

[CbShadow]

I wonder which explanation people will found now ?
Weeks by weeks it's getting worse

Zoro didn't Mastered Enma ? Wrong he can use it as he wish
Once you mastered Enma, it became a normal sword ? Wrong, Depicts as an abnormal sword
Everyone even Younko hype this sword

Do you accept or you need more proofs from Oda

This is what makes the sword unique or abnormal.

Thats also the reason the sword, and haki when using the sword, is hard to control until the user fully masters the sword. Remember, a skill swordsman cuts only what they intend to cut or not cut.

With every new chapter he is exercising greater control over the sword but he hasn't master it yet.

The sword doesn't change because the user master it. It just no longer have the same effect on them.

It's like training in a 30lb weighted vest. The weighted vest doesn't become lighter, you just become stronger.

 

[Rivaille]

I know but I want to see their new explanation

Nothing change.

-We know that the blade is tricky since chapter 955
-We know that the blade has Oden will since chapter 955

And since chapter 955 we keep telling you guys that it is not a power-up but a training wheel. Nothing that happen in this chapter changed this.

 

[nik87]

Zoro didn't Mastered Enma ? Wrong he can use it as he wish
Once you mastered Enma, it became a normal sword ? Wrong, Depicts as an abnormal sword
Everyone even Younko hype this sword

Do you accept or you need more proofs from Oda

You just want it so badly to be a power-up that you discard all logic and evidence, lol.
Indeed, he mastered it completely as I have said from the start.
It is normal sword for those who have mastered it as it cant take any haki from the user.
It gets as much haki as the user wants to release. It did exactly the same thing as Ame no Habakiri.
How much proof do you need? lol

 

[Sakura no Hiluluk]

Nothing change.

-We know that the blade is tricky since chapter 955
-We know that the blade has Oden will since chapter 955

And since chapter 955 we keep telling you guys that it is not a power-up but a training wheel. Nothing that happen in this chapter changed this.

Please; If it's a training wheel, then Zoro can ditch him when he's done. but he won't. Because it's a power-up. In itself.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Please; If it's a training wheel, then Zoro can ditch him when he's done. but he won't. Because it's a power-up. In itself.

When Zoro’s done with Enma it’ll be a Supreme Grade Sword that he made himself, and one of only three Black Swords in existence (that we know of) why on earth would he get rid of it?

 

[Rivaille]

Please; If it's a training wheel, then Zoro can ditch him when he's done. but he won't. Because it's a power-up. In itself.

Does Zoro ditch his dumbbells ?

 

[Sakura no Hiluluk]

When Zoro’s done with Enma it’ll be a Supreme Grade Sword that he made himself, and one of only three Black Swords in existence (that we know of) why on earth would he get rid of it?

Because if it's a training wheel and not inherently a power-up compared to Shusui, then he has no reasons to keep it once he's trained. You don't keep your training wheels on a bike when you know how to use those.

Unlilke Shusui which never displayed any special abilities - at least not in the same vein as Enma's - it's clear that Zoro's new sword is inherently stronger compared to any other we've seen. It's even the sword Kaido and Big Mom are worried about, not Zoro.

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Does Zoro ditch his dumbbells ?

I've never seen him fight with those, yes. Because training wheels are different from power-ups.

 

[Garp the Fist]

Because if it's a training wheel and not inherently a power-up compared to Shusui, then he has no reasons to keep it once he's trained. You don't keep your training wheels on a bike when you know how to use those.

When Zoro has fully mastered Enma it’ll be on a level with Yoru.

It’s absolute nonsense to say he should then dump it just because it no longer steals his haki and he can actually use it like a normal sword.

Unlilke Shusui which never displayed any special abilities - at least not in the same vein as Enma's - it's clear that Zoro's new sword is inherently stronger compared to any other we've seen. It's even the sword Kaido and Big Mom are worried about, not Zoro.

Shusui did have special abilities. It was a Kokuto. One of only two in existence. Harder, heavier and sturdier than Enma, but not able to use the Haki drain

 

[Sakura no Hiluluk]

When Zoro has fully mastered Enma it’ll be on a level with Yoru.

It’s absolute nonsense to say he should then dump it just because it no longer steals his haki and he can actually use it like a normal sword.


Shusui did have special abilities. It was a Kokuto. One of only two in existence. Harder, heavier and sturdier than Enma, but not able to use the Haki drain

Again, I'm reacting against the idea that Enma isn't a power-up but a training wheel. If it was the case, Zoro wouldn't have any reason to keep it once he's done training. He doesn't fight with his dumbells.

Also, it's obvious that Shusui being a black blade doesn't make it superior to Enma. It never displayed the same abilities nor gave the same boost to Zoro's attacks. Enma's a master sword from the get go while Ryuma made the Shusui go black, but it was neither cursed nor special before. Enma's abnormal and that's a fact of the manga.

It is thus a power-up, because just using it makes Zoro a lot more lethal.

 

[Jo_Ndule]

When Zoro has fully mastered Enma it’ll be on a level with Yoru.

It’s absolute nonsense to say he should then dump it just because it no longer steals his haki and he can actually use it like a normal sword.


Shusui did have special abilities. It was a Kokuto. One of only two in existence. Harder, heavier and sturdier than Enma, but not able to use the Haki drain

What special ability did shishui have
Name it


Nothing

Black blade doesn't grant you specia attribute like Enma has

 

[Garp the Fist]

What special ability did shishui have

 

[nik87]

Please; If it's a training wheel, then Zoro can ditch him when he's done. but he won't. Because it's a power-up. In itself.

He can ditch it indeed and I think he will. Nidai Kitetsu wasnt introduced for nothing.
Hint: He wont power down when he ditches it because it isnt a power-up.