Powers & Abilities Luffy's evolution on his way to defeat Kaido

[Cinera]

Luffy unlocking Gear 5 and use King Crimson to burn Kaido's butt would be cool.

Red Crimson.

G4 verison of his flame-attack? How this will be called?
Red hawk -> Red roc -> Red ???

Phoenix most likely.

"Hawk" and "Roc" are both types of birds. A "Roc" is mythical, so the next level should be an even more legendary bird. I can't really think of any bird more legendary than the Phoenix.

I'd guess it would be "Red Phoenix". Personally, I would prefer some other hue of red be used for aesthetic purposes (so maybe "Crimson/Scarlet/Vermillion Phoenix").

He will show G4+barrier armament first, since all Kong moves he showed vs Kaidou, didn't even use that.

All the moves he's shown vs Kaido have used it, that's how he's been able to hurt Kaido.

Or else, the impact and damage he showed should far surpass his Red Roc (G3+barrier).

• Red Roc used Internal destruction COA.
• Kaido has been on guard after Red Roc so would likely take less damage.

 

[uyuu]

Phoenix most likely.

"Hawk" and "Roc" are both types of birds. A "Roc" is mythical, so the next level should be an even more legendary bird. I can't really think of any bird more legendary than the Phoenix.

I'd guess it would be "Red Phoenix". Personally, I would prefer some other hue of red be used for aesthetic purposes (so maybe "Crimson/Scarlet/Vermillion Phoenix").



All the moves he's shown vs Kaido have used it, that's how he's been able to hurt Kaido.

• Red Roc used Internal destruction COA.
• Kaido has been on guard after Red Roc so would likely take less damage.

Kaidou after G4 have been hit with G4 and not guarding though. They did much less damage than Red Roc. Thats why the G4 in 1001+1002 doesnt have internal destruction. Not even barrier (in Red Roc) imo, or else that KG Kaidou received in the stomach would cause much more damage than Red Roc, which didnt happen. Kaidou didnt comment of internal damage as well, instead he had a bruise from Red Roc, so from the art that depict barriers surrounding Luffy's haki, and the lack of comment from Kaidou-BM regarding internal destruction etc, Luffy using ID in Red Roc is already out of the question imo.

 

[Cinera]

They did much less damage than Red Roc.

Because:

• Red Roc had internal destruction COA
• Red Roc had fire damage

Not even barrier (in Red Roc) imo, or else that KG Kaidou received in the stomach would cause much more damage than Red Roc, which didnt happen.

• Boundman has already been shown to be unable to hurt Kaido without Barrier COA
• Arguing that Barrier COA is not being used because Boundman isn't doing as much damage as you want is silly and holds zero weight
• Dragon!Kaido may be more durable than his Base form

Kaidou didnt comment of internal damage as well, instead he had a bruise from Red Roc, so from the art that depict barriers surrounding Luffy's haki, and the lack of comment from Kaidou-BM regarding internal destruction etc, Luffy using ID in Red Roc is already out of the question imo.

There is no reason to expect Kaido to comment on internal damage.

Thats why the G4 in 1001+1002 doesnt have internal destruction.

Kaido's reaction (his teeth were rattled) suggest he received internal damage. Furthermore, Zoro and Kidd's words imply that internal destruction was used. That's really all we need to know.

 

[uyuu]

Because:

• Red Roc had internal destruction COA
• Red Roc had fire damage

• Boundman has already been shown to be unable to hurt Kaido without Barrier COA
• Arguing that Barrier COA is not being used because Boundman isn't doing as much damage as you want is silly and holds zero weight
• Dragon!Kaido may be more durable than his Base form

There is no reason to expect Kaido to comment on internal damage.


Kaido's reaction (his teeth were rattled) suggest he received internal damage. Furthermore, Zoro and Kidd's words imply that internal destruction was used. That's really all we need to know.

- Red Roc doesnt have ID, it has barrier instead. Kaidou has a skin bruise from that. It was a damage from outside.

- if G3-barrier > G4 barrier, its either plot inconsistency or no barrier being used. By default, G4>G3 however big it is. So for G3 to produce that shock value to the point that BM was shocked as to why Kaidou let Luffy hit him instead of dodging, to the point of Kaidou visualing Luffy as the equal of the strongest, but not as much shaken when Luffy used G4, its either plot inconsistency or no barrier.

- yes there is a reason to comment about internal damage. Teeth rattling due to a punch to the head is caused naturally by external damage, just like how Onigashima skull rattled by Zoro's slash. Luffy's internal destruction ignores any layers of defense, it results in Kaidou's brain exploding with minimum damage to the skin instead of what Kaidou experienced, a skin bruise. Luffy hasnt use ID at all.

 

[JazzMazz]

- Red Roc doesnt have ID, it has barrier instead. Kaidou has a skin bruise from that. It was a damage from outside.

- if G3-barrier > G4 barrier, its either plot inconsistency or no barrier being used. By default, G4>G3 however big it is. So for G3 to produce that shock value to the point that BM was shocked as to why Kaidou let Luffy hit him instead of dodging, to the point of Kaidou visualing Luffy as the equal of the strongest, but not as much shaken when Luffy used G4, its either plot inconsistency or no barrier.

- yes there is a reason to comment about internal damage. Teeth rattling due to a punch to the head is caused naturally by external damage, just like how Onigashima skull rattled by Zoro's slash. Luffy's internal destruction ignores any layers of defense, it results in Kaidou's brain exploding with minimum damage to the skin instead of what Kaidou experienced, a skin bruise. Luffy hasnt use ID at all.

No, its internal destruction. Its not a barrier.

 

[uyuu]

No, its internal destruction. Its not a barrier.

Internal destruction doesnt damage the surface. The tree's backside was destroyed, the front was not. Kaidou's skin had a bruise, and Luffy's fist was surrounded by barrier at Red Roc. Zoro said, that is the haki Luffy learned from the old man.Hyogoro the old man cant teach internal destruction since he doesnt have it. He taught Luffy barrier haki. So yeah, its exterior damage: barrier haki. Its much more impressive than the 9 scabbards though.

 

[JazzMazz]

Internal destruction doesnt damage the surface.

It does.

Like, that's literally how it works. Look at how he grabbed those collars. Just because it does internal damage, doesn't mean it can't do external damage.

 

[uyuu]

It does.

Like, that's literally how it works. Look at how he grabbed those collars. Just because it does internal damage, doesn't mean it can't do external damage.

Not it doesnt. If Kaidou has a skin bruise, his brain shouldve melt already. Meanwhile, Kaidou has no internal damage. So Luffy still keeps internal destruction hidden, for energy-saving purpose most likely.

 

[JazzMazz]

Not it doesnt. If Kaidou has a skin bruise, his brain shouldve melt already. Meanwhile, Kaidou has no internal damage. So Luffy still keeps internal destruction hidden, for energy-saving purpose most likely.

That's not what that suggests at all.

Like, Kaido is bruised on the outside, but that doesn't suggest he didn't take damage internally.

Luffy is still using force and connecting punches against Kaido.

 

[uyuu]

That's not what that suggests at all.

Like, Kaido is bruised on the outside, but that doesn't suggest he didn't take damage internally.

Luffy is still using force and connecting punches against Kaido.

Yes that is what that suggests. Barrier causes external damage, internal causes internal damage. If his skull and brain shatters due to internal destruction, he and us readers would notice his head exploding a million times more compared to skin bruise. If connecting G4 did nothing, then connecting G3 punch means even less. It doesnt cause any scratch to Kaidou unless it has haki. And the type has haki that causes more noticeable external damage compared to internal damage, is barrier haki.

 

[HA001]

oh dear

 

[Bogard]

The latest chapter was interesting when talking about Luffy's future developments.

> Who's Who brought up the fact that the government was transporting a devil fruit(gomu gomu no mi) on a ship he was supposed to guard

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That was 12 years ago in the same event brought up in chapter 1 by Lucky Roo of the Red Hair pirates(stole the gomu gomu no mi from an enemy ship)

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But now we must question ourself why was the government was taking this fruit so seriously that they decided to imprison Who's Who in his failure in guarding the fruit from a future yonko crew ? And more importantly, why is Oda bringing this up now ?

Oda brought up before in an SBS that only a few devil fruits are identifiable on sight, with many of them described in the book of devil fruits

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With Kalifa and Kaku(Cp9 agents) unable to know which powers they could get until eating and testing the fruit, but with the gomu gomu no mi being recognizable on sight, with Lucky Roo specifically showing its form from a book.

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Another devil fruit that has been mentioned to have a complete description in the book of devil fruits is the yami yami no mi, a devil fruit Teach decided to spend decades on the Whitebeard pirates to have a chance to get(if not, completely giving up on his dreams)

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But maybe that unlike the yami yami no mi, the gomu gomu no mi actually needs training to master and with enough potential, able to awake the devil fruit's true worth

Furthermore, Kaido mocked it

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Which implies to me that he'd end up eating his own words from mocking it at some point, and thus indirectly suggesting that Oda is aiming at a new development around this fruit. Either a new gear or awakening