Powers & Abilities Luffy’s Gear 4th drawback

[Jo_Ndule]

Key point.

He strained too hard Doflamingo and Kaido. Cracker and Katakuri just didn't push him hard enough. It's not time limit by itself.

Luffy went outside of Gear 4 twice in Wano with no issue.

still doesn't even understand a thing
In WCI, he had to run coz he cant stay at one place and had no help around to protect him

Doffy didn't push him...
Luffy trusted his allies... same thing here.

He didnt have an issue pre kaido because he didn't use it much except one blow or 2.

Dont even compare wano with DR
At DR, he said he could run....
In wano , he exhausted himself that he doesn't even state that he could run.

He always need rest after g4 runs out.

Oda doesn't give a damn
When luffy has allies strong enough around the block, he lets them protect him for 10 min
That's it.

If he was alone , luffy will run away on his own from kaido

 

[Frjay]

it's becoming too boring and predictable in every Luffy fight. Against Doffy, Cracker, Kata and now Kaido. Same approach, this is getting old. Either Oda really sucks at fighting ideas or he is just using a fighting template

 

[sanjikun]

nothing ever stated that he NEEDED rest. Gats/zoro was there when he ran out so he decided to let them carry him instead of running himself.

Bro he was fucking sleeping during Dressrosa. That's not just Haki rest. Oda mentioned "saving energy".

doffy would not have been able to catch luffy with or without gats' help

What the fuck are you talking about? Luffy gets caught by anyone except Cracker. Doflamingo like Katakuri has awakening. Luffy can't out run awakening.

If you read the manga, Gyatz only ran away for a bit. Law was hiding him way for most of the time.

luffy stated that he could run away from doffy himself...thats it.

Luffy specifically stated "I can run but I don't know what he'll do in the meantime". He could run from Katakuri, but Katakuri was about to murk him.

Running =/= Surviving i.e. this chapter as well.

 

[Hades]

Anything goes, we can speculate that ending Gear 4 going all out with gatling leaves him more taxed than just flying away and running out of Gear 4, we can say using ryuo is taking an extra toll, the thing is you can't make everyone happy and Gear 4th is a decent compromise for Luffy being able to face top tiers despite his youth.

The thing about chapter to chapter and forum analysis is that if anyone wants to be cynical there will always be an angle, if Luffy was moving around instead of getting helped by Zoro then we would have a thread about how bullshit it is that an exhausted Luffy can still dodge Emperor moves or something.

I am bit vexed with Oda....it is okay to not explain everything, but he has to explain somethings explicitly....otherwise, whatever people think about certain panel or any sequence ultimately it remains as a mere speculation or theory

 

[Raughtale]

I am bit vexed with Oda....it is okay to not explain everything, but he has to explain somethings explicitly....otherwise, whatever people think about certain panel or any sequence ultimately it remains as a mere speculation or theory

We literally have word from Oda that Luffy can move if he needs to and some people don't believe that in this thread, sometimes people just want to over speculate.

 

[Finalbeta]

I am bit vexed with Oda....it is okay to not explain everything, but he has to explain somethings explicitly....otherwise, whatever people think about certain panel or any sequence ultimately it remains as a mere speculation or theory

Well what surprises me is that Luffy's time limit is apparently still a mess.

I think that perhaps the fact he learned advanced CoA is a new burden he needs to cope with and this is why the G4 mode ended so soon, but then again it's simply another speculation and not a fact.

 

[NotTommy]

I expected him to last longer in G4 and to run away from Kaido and Big Mom by himself but Zoro and Law are there so they can just move him around and he can focus on recovering.

His busting out Gear 4 against that ship and Number as well as his switching between Gears against Ulti made it seem like he'd have better control over everything but I guess he still needs his 10 minute rest.

Atleast it opens the path for Kaido and Big Mom to seem more threatening as the Supernova just lost their best chance against the two and it allows Oda to show how well the other Supernova hold up without Luffy. It also let's him focus on other fights a bit while Luffy rests up so that he can give it his all the second time around.

 

[Kuruka]

Bro he was fucking sleeping during Dressrosa. That's not just Haki rest. Oda mentioned "saving energy".



What the fuck are you talking about? Luffy gets caught by anyone except Cracker. Doflamingo like Katakuri has awakening. Luffy can't out run awakening.

If you read the manga, Gyatz only ran away for a bit. Law was hiding him way for most of the time.



Luffy specifically stated "I can run but I don't know what he'll do in the meantime". He could run from Katakuri, but Katakuri was about to murk him.

Running =/= Surviving i.e. this chapter as well.

stop it dude..did you even read the fight vs doffy? Doffy SPECIFICALLY states that GEAR 2nd can keep up with doffys speed but not power.
all luffy has to do is use G2 to get away after G4 runs out and doffy will not catch him. simple.

and don't even say luffy cant use any techniques after g4 runs out because he did use other gears vs katakuri.
g4 only takes away his ability to use haki.

 

[SLC_Girl]

Luffy can run or not depends on the physical condition he's in once G4 ends, like if he's more damaged or more exhausted, he would struggle to get up, but if he has stamina left, he can keep fighting, just can't use Haki.

 

[Isaac Netero]

I am making a prediction that Luffy will need less than 10 minutes to recover his haki thus surprising everyone. Law is saying that Luffy will need 10 minutes based on what he saw in Dressrosa and in my mind Luffy must have evolved since then.

 

[Ravagerblade]

I am making a prediction that Luffy will need less than 10 minutes to recover his haki thus surprising everyone. Law is saying that Luffy will need 10 minutes based on what he saw in Dressrosa and in my mind Luffy must have evolved since then.

I thought everyone knew that assumption?

 

[Isaac Netero]

I thought everyone knew that assumption?

Most people here are still believing he will need the full 10 minutes. I don't.

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Credits to @Afroking for finding this.

If you look at his hands and legs, Luffy had shriveled up this time after G4, while it doesn't happen normally back in Dressrosa for example.

That's reminds me of when Luffy become tiny after using Gear 3 on Lucci. Another example would be that Luffy needed 10 minutes for his haki to recharged back to fight Katakuri again in WCI. For me, it's probably just PIS that Luffy almost got eaten by Kaido.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Most people here are still believing he will need the full 10 minutes. I don't.

What a bunch of dumbasses.

 

[Doggo]

It's funny because in the past he was lauded as for being consistent, or Oda never Forgets... or so I've heard...
Look how times have changed.

Well 20+ years of people praising him for overwankind their favorite characters, just for the sake of them looking cool, despite the bad ramifications it would cause in creating a consistent narrative kinda makes you fuck up. :D

 

[Admiral Mou Bu]

It's b.s. he can't move.
Oda even answered in a SBS "Luffy would have to find a way" if there weren't people to protect him in Dressrosa.

In other words "he would get plot armor (like against Katakuri) if there werent people protecting him". We saw multiple times already that Luffy is down and unable to move immedeatly after transforming back from Gear 4 after running out of endurance.

 

[WesMidnight]

In other words "he would get plot armor (like against Katakuri) if there werent people protecting him". We saw multiple times already that Luffy is down and unable to move immedeatly after transforming back from Gear 4 after running out of endurance.

It helps him recover faster, it is not necessary.

It was plot armor that Brulee *was there*, not that he was able to no diff her INSTANTLY and capture after having his haki completely drained, that is factual, he has the capability to no diff Brulee even in his drained state, carry her on his back, evade Katakuri with base speed temporarily to reach Brulee (could use g2 also if he wanted presumably so his straight line speed isn't effected) and evade Perospero.
No haki Luffy is still a physical monster, a speedster and has his fruit powers still.