Character Discussion Luffy & Zoro Parallels All Throughout One Piece

Blother Fertitta

Blother Fertitta

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This is my most Ambitious Post. But my main point is to those that deny Luffy and Zoro do not have significant parallels within the story and that Roronoa Zoro is simply just an Underling of Luffy.
FIGHTS: First off, to the people who said, "z0L0 nEv3R fIgHtS tHe mAiN aNtAGoNiSt". Well that was major cap :gokulaugh:
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Helmeppo/Captain Morgan's (Romance Dawn)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Smoker/Tashigi [OFFICIAL PAIR] (Loguetown)
  • Arlong takes Luffy/Zoro very seriously (Arlong Park)
  • Luffy vs Zoro (Whiskey Peak)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Mrs. Goldenweek/Mr.5 (Whiskey Peak)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Crocodile/Mr.1 [OFFICIAL PAIR] (Alabasta)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Bellamy (Jaya)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Wiper (Skypeia)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Lucci (Water 7)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Aqua Laguna (Sea Train)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Lucci/Kaku [OFFICIAL PAIR] (Enies Lobby)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Coby/Helmeppo [OFFICIAL PAIR] (Enies Lobby)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Moria/Kuma (Thriller Bark)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Celestial Dragon Prince Charloss (Sabaody)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Dracule "Hawkeyes" Mihawk (Baratie/Marineford)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Hody Jones (Fishman Island)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Monet (Punk Hazard)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Navy Admiral Fujitora (Fujitora)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Sumo Wrestlers (Wano)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Hawkins (Wano)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Apoo (Wano)
  • Luffy/Zoro vs Big Mom/Kaido [YONKO PAIR] (Wano)
PARALLELS:
  • Luffy/Zoro cries at the loss of Ace/Kuina who was their compass [CREDIT to @Fenaker ]
  • Luffy/Zoro are often never present for backstory's (Fishman Island, Dressrosa, Arlong Park, etc. etc.) [CREDIT to @style ]
  • Luffy/Zoro met in similar ways to Roger/Rayleigh and BB/Shiryu [CREDIT to @Monkey D. Luffy ]
  • Luffy/Zoro have scars under/on the same eye and across their chest [CREDIT to @style ]
  • Luffy/Zoro set out to sea in search of a Top Tier [CREDIT to @Salah WG ]
  • Luffy/Zoro want to surpass individuals who were already Rivals
  • Luffy/Zoro both have had Usopp in the background of their Bounty Posters
  • Luffy/Zoro got his Scar for/by Shanks/Mihawk.
  • Luffy met Hyo/Momo/Kawamatsu/Kid while, at same time Zoro met Yasue/Hiyori/Onimaru/Killer
    • Kawamatsu/Onimaru were briefly partners as well
    • Hyogoro/Yasue were daimyos
    • Momonosuke/Hiyori are siblings
    • Kid/Killer are partners
  • Luffy/Zoro inspired Sanji in Baratie with their deep ambitions/willpower.
  • Tashigi and Zoro promise their superiors to become stronger after a crushing loss and realizing how much bigger the world was compared to their expectations. [CREDIT to @KiriNigiri ]
  • Luffy/Zoro are the dumbest strawhats
  • Luffy/Zoro entered Wano/Onigashima causing trouble
  • Luffy/Zoro lost their way in the Kuro fight
  • Luffy/Zoro laughed at Pica together while Dressrosa shuddered.
  • Luffy/Zoro fought Hyouzou the Octopus
  • Luffy/Zoro scared Holdem/Urashima with their haki/aura/spirit
  • Luffy/Zoro were given special introduction Post TS
    • Luffy CoC the Fake Strawhats
    • Zoro split a galleon in half
  • Luffy/Zoro imitate Shanks/Benn Beckman in Syrup Village Arc (Anime Only)
  • Luffy/Zoro have dreams related to reaching the Pinnacle Height of a Certain Path
    • Strength Is Compulsory
  • Luffy/Zoro smile before they are supposed to die (Loguetown/Arlong Park)
  • Luffy/Zoro captured by fishman
    • Luffy in FI captured by fisherman fishman
    • Zoro in Arlong Park captured by Nami and again by Hody
  • Luffy/Zoro have Haki Blooms
    • Zoro blooms BOAT in Alabasta
    • Luffy blooms FS in WCI
    • Zoro taming Enma? (has not happened yet)
    • Luffy learning Ryuo in Wano
  • Luffy/Zoro earn their first bounties in Alabasta
  • Luffy/Zoro acknowledge Blackbeard.
  • Luffy/Zoro protect their dreams against Bellamy.
  • Luffy/Zoro chased by Blackbeard.
  • Luffy/Zoro become Supernova
  • Luffy/Zoro kicked by Lucci
  • Luffy/Zoro stuck between building/Chimney (Enies Lobby)
  • Luffy/Zoro fuck up Lucci/Kaku so bad they are still unconscious after EL is destroyed
  • Time Skip
    • PK RHM Rayleigh Trains Luffy. Rayleigh Doesn't Let Luffy Eat
    • WSS Mihawk Trains Zoro. Mihawk Doesn't Let Zoro Drink
  • Luffy/Zoro don't want to be heroes they want all the Meat/Sake
  • Luffy/Zoro saves Tama/brings food
  • Luffy/Zoro experience Wano's desecration firsthand through Udon/Ebisu Town
  • Luffy/Zoro have a benefactor figure in Hyogoro/Yasuie
  • Luffy/Zoro allies with Yamato/X Drake after their Clash
  • Luffy/Zoro Speech in Udon/Onigashima
  • Luffy/Zoro face the Zombie Plague Virus/Ice Oni Virus
  • Luffy/Zoro teaches Momonosuke Leadership/Swordsmanship
  • Luffy/Zoro together makeup Oden's character
  • Luffy/Zoro were split from Ryuma's character
  • Luffy/Zoro get Thunder Bagua'd by Kaido
  • Luffy/Zoro attack the Big Mom and Kaido.
  • Luffy/Zoro attack Queen without landing the hit (udon for luffy and onigashima for zoro) Thanks to @Giggio
  • Luffy birthday is 5/5 and Zoro birthday is 11/11 Thanks to @style
  • Luffy/Zoro have a Conqueror's Haki Chapter dedicated to them. Thanks to @style
  • Onigashima: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/forum/threads/temple-of-the-grandmaster-zoro.6/page-599#post-1653665
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Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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Short summary and schematization, power levels related however:

Whisky Peak:

They were killing each other, Nami's constituted a providential intervetion

Enies Lobby:

Asura Zoro would have been able to low diff Kaku had it been triggered immediately. Not even Lucci could have attained the same. Of course we don't know how much Asura would last but Zoro was also meant to be fast enough to land attacks on Lucci.

TS:

Zoro undertook the best training due allegedly facing Mihawk.

Wano:

Oda is soloing all non Zoro fans.
 
Celestial D. Dragon

Celestial D. Dragon

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Finalbeta said:
Zoro undertook the best training due allegedly facing Mihawk.
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What best training? Ain't you the same people who argue that skill and technique has nothing to do with becoming the WSS? Constantly spamming that panel about how Zoro doesn't care about technique, he just wants to unleash his full power? What did Mihawk train Zoro in that benefited him the best from a Swordsman point of view?
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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Celestial D. Dragon said:
What best training? Ain't you the same people who argue that skill and technique has nothing to do with becoming the WSS? Constantly spamming that panel about how Zoro doesn't care about technique, he just wants to unleash his full power? What did Mihawk train Zoro in that benefited him the best from a Swordsman point of view?
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Since unlike Luffy, Zoro is meant to have broadly confrontated Mihawk, the odds tell us that his training could possibly have been more beneficial even if positing that Rayleigh was the better teacher, not knowledge wise, but teaching skills wise.

Not sure which panel you are referring to and this is a different matter from skill/technique, it's about Zoro undergoing the most intensive training with Mihawk.
 
Celestial D. Dragon

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Finalbeta said:
Since unlike Luffy, Zoro is meant to have broadly confrontated Mihawk, the odds tell us that his training could possibly have been more beneficial even if positing that Rayleigh was the better teacher, not knowledge wise, but teaching skills wise.

Not sure which panel you are referring to and this is a different matter from tecnique, it's about Zoro undergoing the most intensive training with Mihawk.
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What kind of training? What does that training boost that Zoro can't achieve on his own (Outside of unlocking Haki)? Help me understand, because skill and technique are not required to become WSS, so Mihawk clearly didn't train him in those regards.
 
Rekien

Rekien

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Finalbeta said:
Short summary and schematization, power levels related however:

Enies Lobby:

Asura Zoro would have been able to low diff Kaku had it been triggered immediately. Not even Lucci could have attained the same. Of course we don't know how much Asura would last but Zoro was also meant to be fast enough to land attacks on Lucci.

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I will add to that....kaku's "powerlevel" was measured before he got his girafe fruit, and that was a huge boost in power seeing how slashing the entirety of the ennies lobby building at the time was considered to be a pretty big feat. Plus the dificulty of the battle also has to be accounted for, Zoro didnt had that much trouble with kaku, it was a mid diff fight, but Luffy was unnable to move after his fight with Lucci implying it was an extreme diff fight that he barely managed to win.

Zoro was also doing pretty well against jabra AND kaku while ussing sogeking as a sword.

Conclusion: Zoro would likely been able to defeat Lucci with the same dificulty or easier than Luffy did.
 
Charlotte Horchata

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Rekien said:
I will add to that....kaku's "powerlevel" was measured before he got his girafe fruit, and that was a huge boost in power seeing how slashing the entirety of the ennies lobby building at the time was considered to be a pretty big feat. Plus the dificulty of the battle also has to be accounted for, Zoro didnt had that much trouble with kaku, it was a mid diff fight, but Luffy was unnable to move after his fight with Lucci implying it was an extreme diff fight that he barely managed to win.

Zoro was also doing pretty well against jabra AND kaku while ussing sogeking as a sword.

Conclusion: Zoro would likely been able to defeat Lucci with the same dificulty or easier than Luffy did.
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Doriki doesn't include devil fruits, and both Lucci and Luffy were pretty sure the former would kill the Straw Hats if the latter didn't stop him right there. No honest conclusion about Zoro being able to defeat Lucci even easier than Luffy can be made with such an explicit hirearchy for the CP9 members existing.

Finalbeta said:
Asura Zoro would have been able to low diff Kaku had it been triggered immediately. Not even Lucci could have attained the same. Of course we don't know how much Asura would last but Zoro was also meant to be fast enough to land attacks on Lucci.
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This is baseless and follows an approach that is unfeasible, therefore irrelevant.
 
Blother Fertitta

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Battling 1 vs 1 to a perfect draw in a serious fight



Equal portrayal of their strength - 1



Equal portrayal of their strength - 2



Equal portrayal of their strength - 3



Equal portrayal of their strength - 4



Together against the Yonkos as "pirates leading the next generation"



Fighting against YC1s



Making the other Worst Generation Supernovas shocked when they see their power



Haoshoku Haki duo that makes Wano tremble



Both destined to reach the top of the world as the Pirate King and the World Strongest Swordsman and the PK's Right Hand



In the covers and color spreads most of times Oda puts Luffy and Zoro together at the center, separating them from the others













 
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Rekien

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Charlotte Horchata said:
Doriki doesn't include devil fruits, and both Lucci and Luffy were pretty sure the former would kill the Straw Hats if the latter didn't stop him right there. No honest conclusion about Zoro being able to defeat Lucci even easier than Luffy can be made with such an explicit hirearchy for the CP9 members existing.



This is baseless and follows an approach that is unfeasible, therefore irrelevant.
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Then it dosent take into account swords either, meaning it dosent represent Kaku's actual strenght anyway.
 
Den_Den_Mushi

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If the countless panels showing Luffy and Zoro’s values, ambition and sense of responsibility for their nakama weren’t enough, both characters set out to sea in pursuit of a top tier, both experienced the loss of a sibling figure with whom they trained, and both have been highlighted as the central figures of the next generation.

Zoro has always been the yin to Luffy’s yang, just like Roger and Rayleigh had the gold/silver complementary motif. Only Oda chose to elevate Zoro as having an individual goal that would require him to stand on top of the world beside Luffy.
 
Blother Fertitta

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Den_Den_Mushi said:
If the countless panels showing Luffy and Zoro’s values, ambition and sense of responsibility for their nakama weren’t enough, both characters set out to sea in pursuit of a top tier, both experienced the loss of a sibling figure with whom they trained, and both have been highlighted as the central figures of the next generation.

Zoro has always been the yin to Luffy’s yang, just like Roger and Rayleigh had the gold/silver complementary motif. Only Oda chose to elevate Zoro as having an individual goal that would require him to stand on top of the world beside Luffy.
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My friend you get it. :smoothy:
I was searching to put my parallels into words.
And your words are perfect.
Celestial D. Dragon said:
What best training? Ain't you the same people who argue that skill and technique has nothing to do with becoming the WSS? Constantly spamming that panel about how Zoro doesn't care about technique, he just wants to unleash his full power? What did Mihawk train Zoro in that benefited him the best from a Swordsman point of view?
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I believe, we haven’t fully explored yet what Mihawk has taught Zoro. I am one of those who agree with Strongest and not most Skilled. So I am assuming Zoro trained as in worked out. And if anything after learning Haki, Mihawk possibly trained Haki regulation and output. This is probably why, Zoro is currently tuning his flow into Enma.
 
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