General & Others Ruination of a character - Sanji, The Predator, The Gag and the Rock Lee of One Piece

Agree with the criticism of Sanji becoming a sexual predator instead of just a chivalrous guy. Sanji sexually assaulting Nami in Punk Hazard was truly a low point for the character, and the point at which I started to truly despise him.

Ive got to say though that the complaints about his portrayal strength wise are due to some very misplaced expectations. The so-called Monster Trio may be a thing in Nami’s mind, but to the rest of the world and the story of One Piece at large? Irrelevant. Sanji was not mentored by a top tier. His current most outstanding claim to fame is being the son of Judge. His own arc came and went, putting the focus on his personality and cooking rather than combat ability. If all of these glaring red flags weren’t enough to signal to his fandom that they need to lower their expectation, then nothing else will.
 
Sanji's character sure he needs some help but I've thinking about this for quite sometime.

The problem here is a lot of Sanji fans want Sanji to be Zoro - get consistent fights be matched with Luffy but be more intelligent version.

This is back by the fans wanting Sanji to be on the roof but at the same time stating Zoro doesn't belong on the roof, the root of the issue is expectations of Sanji being a main fighter similar to that of Zoro since some people view them as "equals" though Oda made it crystal clear they are not.

Sanji's Gags pre-ts.
** Chapter 45-48 : Jeopardizes Zeff's treasure by recovering Don Kriegs Crew - (Patty even knocks him down stating he's going to destroy the restaurant)
** Chapter 130 : States he gives the best food to Vivi & Nami the remainder of the crew gets the scraps or things about to go rotten
** Sanji/Luffy/Usopp/Chopper/Zoro all peaked in on Nami & Vivi while they were bathing sure he hasn't gone to far to grope her body without permission but the dude has been a perv from the get go

Just for Sanji -fans to understand, his character doesn't revolve around fights, he is a cook first - fighter second, similarly to that of Franky he'd rather build his engineering skills then him being a capable fighter comes second/third.

Sanji was not recruited by Luffy due to his strength but his charm, and kindness - Luffy liked Sanji cause he feed hungry people regardless of who they are, also wanted to break down who Sanji has fought each arc (TL;DR - his fights don't compare to that of Zoro & Luffy)
Introduction ;
Baratie - Fights Pearl. Loses to Gin
Arlong Park - Fights Kuroobi
Little Garden - No fights
Drum island - no fights or confrontation
Alabasta - Mr.2 Fight
Sky island - fight shared with Luffy
Long Ring Long Land - fight shared with Zoro
Water7 - Jabara fight
Thriller Bark - Absalom fight
Sabaody Island - Fodder Marines
-- Time Skip --
The main 3 characters of One Piece have been Luffy, Zoro . & Nami.

I can provide a lot of examples of the situation to reinforce my point if needed.

All in all - I used to think Sanji's character was in crisis mode but beside the groping during Punk Hazard his character is fundamentally the same, the problem is what Sanji fans are expecting from him, when he never did the things they are expecting.
 
Welcome to my series of Ruination of Character where I will go over certain characters in One Piece and how their characters were ruined for ridiculous reasons.
First on the table is my former favorite character Sanji.

I used to love Sanji. Sanji during Pre Timeksip had an unique swag and style to him that non of the main characters could rival him in it. Sanji was damn cool and every sane OP fan can testify that pre Time Skip. During Time Skip for reasons I will get to later Sanji was turned into something I like to call The Predator, The Gag and the Rock Lee of One Piece.


The Predator
Post time skip Sanji has gone from someone that respects women to someone that will literally spy on them naked and grope their bodies when his soul was in their body. That itself is an insane degradation of a character and something that makes a Predator. Now I can't ignore certain moments like him protecting Nami in Punk Hazard or Violet in Dressrosa but compared to sheer moments of him being a predator those moments are absurdly rare compared to what they were Pre Time skip. It got to the point that when Sanji saves a female character I can't but question is it because of his chivalric code or he just hopes for some ass if he saves them.

Sanji spying on women in the bathhouse was the low point for me and what tipped the glass over and made me say : fuck it, I am done. That sheer moment was so utterly dumb - Sanji - the dude that spent months with Nami and Robin, fighting side by side with them and bonding with them like they are his own family - had no problems literally spying on them naked - what the absolute fuck???

Could any of you do that to someone you consider family and not give a fuck? To invade a privacy and decency of someone you pretty much bonded like a family? No, the answer is a big fat no because it is utterly wrong.

Pre time skip Sanji while still a creep to some point it was still very innocent since it was naïve. He never went that far.
If you remember when they found Camie and Brook asked her how does she poop Sanji went mad and didn't let her answer because his code wouldn't allow him? Yea that Sanji now has no problem spying on women he considers family.

Oda doing this to Sanji is borderline sick and not enjoyable at all. I have no idea what was in his head when he decided to make this and think - yep that is fine. And I won't give Oda a pass because Oda. Screw that, it is just terrible writing.


The Gag
Do you remember back in E. Lobby when Sanji fought Khalifa and allowed his ass to get beaten because he refused to hit a woman?
That moment was so bad because Sanji allowed himself and his crew to be put in jeopardy over his morals and code.
Fast forward to Whole Cake Island - Sanji literally punches Big Mom to protect Reiju - Fucking amazing , good shit Sanji, you understand that sometimes morals and code have to be broken to protect ones you love and care about.
Fast forward to Wano, Sanji literally goes to get pussy in the middle of the war and put his crew, himself and allies into danger.
???
What. What the hell is that? You mean to tell that Sanji was about to receive character development only to be thrown into a trash can because of a comedic relief?
That pretty much sums up Sanji The Gag. If the situation demands it Sanji will either keep his morals and code or ignore them. And it is utterly destroying his character. How are we as readers supposed to give a damn about his morals and code if author himself doesn't care?
Either make Sanji dedicated to his morals and code or don't. Don't fluctuate between those two. It ruins the enjoyment of a character.
Perfect example of how properly is done is with the Raid Suit. Yes, It is something Sanji isn't proud to use but he will in order to protect the ones he loves and cares about. I can understand and respect that.... But then Oda made Sanji use Raid Suit to be a tool for Sanji to be pervert and literally prove his family a point. Like come on man, stop sacrificing Sanji's code and morals for comedic relief. It destroys the character and makes him unlikeable even more.

The Rock Lee of One Piece
And now for my favorite part.
Sanji, Zoro and Luffy have always been put forward as the main 3 fighters of the crew. We the readers understood this logic and agreed with it hence we made the term - Monster Trio. And it worked beautifully. All 3 of them got their moments of shine in each arc and we could see a clear display of their power.
Post Time Skip Sanji has been put in shadows while more spotlight was given to Zoro and Luffy.

I believe Oda did this to appease the mainstream fandom and prevent a potential Rock Lee of One Piece. If you would remember at the start of Naruto when Rock Lee bodied Gaara and we believed that alongside Naruto and Sasuke we will have Rock Lee as a third main driving force. Yea no, Kishimoto made sure to gut Rock Lee because 3 is too much. It needs to be 2. Now you might say - But Beky there is Sakura - yeah no man there is no Sakura - there is only Naruto and Sasuke. Same thing is with One Piece, Oda made sure to gut Sanji the same way and make sure there is only Zoro and Luffy wheres Sanji was put with the rest as a back up.

Sanji has clear potential, he could easily be made to be strong as Zoro but Oda doesn't wanna do it like that despite that being the case up until Post TS. He just wants to keep it Zoro and Luffy. Revert Sanji to a comedic gag that sells or holds his morals depending how the wind blows while pumping the other 2 more and more. Doesn't matter if it is Jimbei, Yamato or Sanji, there is no more 3, only 2.

Sanji held a lot of promise post TS. We never saw his skills learned from Ivankov and we even barely saw his cooking talents.
Do you guys remember the fact Sanji's food boosts energy? Yeah, so much for Sanji cooking food for warriors before battle.
The Rock Lee of One Piece

Conclusion
Character of Sanji was gutted and reduced to a comedic gag. His character and skills are wasted and I wouldn't be surprised if his popularity sinks more and more. Oda doesn't want to deliver on the promises he made for Sanji nor does he wanna develop him properly. I used to love Sanji, he was such a bad ass character and while I am sure he had some really good moments post TS they are pale in comparison to his bad moments. I hope Oda proves me wrong and does something good with his character but allas my faith is small

Next up
Zoro - The Emo, The One Trick Pony and Soulless Character
Rock Lee never won any fight............He was a hype tool from beginning to end. He was mostly there to show how powerful other character were. Kishimoto disrespected Lee's Taijustu so many times, Sasuke learned Rock Lee's abilities in a matter of weeks........Also Rock Lee wasn't even a main character. He's not even comparable to Sanjis role in one piece at all tbh. No where near as relevant .
 
the state of the sanji fandom in 2021

It crazy cuz it’s true. Anyone still consider Sanji a top three strawhat?
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Rock Lee never won any fight............He was a hype tool from beginning to end. He was mostly there to show how powerful other character were. Kishimoto disrespected Lee's Taijustu so many times, Sasuke learned Rock Lee's abilities in a matter of weeks........Also Rock Lee wasn't even a main character. He's not even comparable to Sanjis role in one piece at all tbh. No where near as relevant .
Sanji is the definition of a hype tool
- measurement for Doffy, Vergo, Oven, Daifuku
- scaled at equaling Page One, when he was the weakest F6.
- Other characters within the strawhats such as Jinbei and Franky have much better feats and portrayal than Sanji
 
Because if Kinemon weak as he is can harm Kaido adressed someone as "Very strong" several arcs ago that grew in power then by sheer logic Sanji should be able to harm Kaido
Your perception of Sanji is skewed, By the end of every major arc, his role has only been to defeat the 3rd in command and occasionally save someone. Thats the most Sanji has done in these one piece arcs. Why are you giving Sanji portrayal he's never had before??? Damaging Kaido??? Really?? I dont recall pre or post time skip Sanji being able to do anything to the main villain ever. Ryuo is a swordsman technique Sanji doesn't carry a blade, nor does sanji ever train to powerup.
 

Shisui

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These guys fighting over drawings like they part of some gangs and shit lmfao
Looooool going all Crips and Bloods on a manga forum :milaugh::milaugh:

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Welcome to my series of Ruination of Character where I will go over certain characters in One Piece and how their characters were ruined for ridiculous reasons.
First on the table is my former favorite character Sanji.

I used to love Sanji. Sanji during Pre Timeksip had an unique swag and style to him that non of the main characters could rival him in it. Sanji was damn cool and every sane OP fan can testify that pre Time Skip. During Time Skip for reasons I will get to later Sanji was turned into something I like to call The Predator, The Gag and the Rock Lee of One Piece.


The Predator
Post time skip Sanji has gone from someone that respects women to someone that will literally spy on them naked and grope their bodies when his soul was in their body. That itself is an insane degradation of a character and something that makes a Predator. Now I can't ignore certain moments like him protecting Nami in Punk Hazard or Violet in Dressrosa but compared to sheer moments of him being a predator those moments are absurdly rare compared to what they were Pre Time skip. It got to the point that when Sanji saves a female character I can't but question is it because of his chivalric code or he just hopes for some ass if he saves them.

Sanji spying on women in the bathhouse was the low point for me and what tipped the glass over and made me say : fuck it, I am done. That sheer moment was so utterly dumb - Sanji - the dude that spent months with Nami and Robin, fighting side by side with them and bonding with them like they are his own family - had no problems literally spying on them naked - what the absolute fuck???

Could any of you do that to someone you consider family and not give a fuck? To invade a privacy and decency of someone you pretty much bonded like a family? No, the answer is a big fat no because it is utterly wrong.

Pre time skip Sanji while still a creep to some point it was still very innocent since it was naïve. He never went that far.
If you remember when they found Camie and Brook asked her how does she poop Sanji went mad and didn't let her answer because his code wouldn't allow him? Yea that Sanji now has no problem spying on women he considers family.

Oda doing this to Sanji is borderline sick and not enjoyable at all. I have no idea what was in his head when he decided to make this and think - yep that is fine. And I won't give Oda a pass because Oda. Screw that, it is just terrible writing.


The Gag
Do you remember back in E. Lobby when Sanji fought Khalifa and allowed his ass to get beaten because he refused to hit a woman?
That moment was so bad because Sanji allowed himself and his crew to be put in jeopardy over his morals and code.
Fast forward to Whole Cake Island - Sanji literally punches Big Mom to protect Reiju - Fucking amazing , good shit Sanji, you understand that sometimes morals and code have to be broken to protect ones you love and care about.
Fast forward to Wano, Sanji literally goes to get pussy in the middle of the war and put his crew, himself and allies into danger.
???
What. What the hell is that? You mean to tell that Sanji was about to receive character development only to be thrown into a trash can because of a comedic relief?
That pretty much sums up Sanji The Gag. If the situation demands it Sanji will either keep his morals and code or ignore them. And it is utterly destroying his character. How are we as readers supposed to give a damn about his morals and code if author himself doesn't care?
Either make Sanji dedicated to his morals and code or don't. Don't fluctuate between those two. It ruins the enjoyment of a character.
Perfect example of how properly is done is with the Raid Suit. Yes, It is something Sanji isn't proud to use but he will in order to protect the ones he loves and cares about. I can understand and respect that.... But then Oda made Sanji use Raid Suit to be a tool for Sanji to be pervert and literally prove his family a point. Like come on man, stop sacrificing Sanji's code and morals for comedic relief. It destroys the character and makes him unlikeable even more.

The Rock Lee of One Piece
And now for my favorite part.
Sanji, Zoro and Luffy have always been put forward as the main 3 fighters of the crew. We the readers understood this logic and agreed with it hence we made the term - Monster Trio. And it worked beautifully. All 3 of them got their moments of shine in each arc and we could see a clear display of their power.
Post Time Skip Sanji has been put in shadows while more spotlight was given to Zoro and Luffy.

I believe Oda did this to appease the mainstream fandom and prevent a potential Rock Lee of One Piece. If you would remember at the start of Naruto when Rock Lee bodied Gaara and we believed that alongside Naruto and Sasuke we will have Rock Lee as a third main driving force. Yea no, Kishimoto made sure to gut Rock Lee because 3 is too much. It needs to be 2. Now you might say - But Beky there is Sakura - yeah no man there is no Sakura - there is only Naruto and Sasuke. Same thing is with One Piece, Oda made sure to gut Sanji the same way and make sure there is only Zoro and Luffy wheres Sanji was put with the rest as a back up.

Sanji has clear potential, he could easily be made to be strong as Zoro but Oda doesn't wanna do it like that despite that being the case up until Post TS. He just wants to keep it Zoro and Luffy. Revert Sanji to a comedic gag that sells or holds his morals depending how the wind blows while pumping the other 2 more and more. Doesn't matter if it is Jimbei, Yamato or Sanji, there is no more 3, only 2.

Sanji held a lot of promise post TS. We never saw his skills learned from Ivankov and we even barely saw his cooking talents.
Do you guys remember the fact Sanji's food boosts energy? Yeah, so much for Sanji cooking food for warriors before battle.
The Rock Lee of One Piece

Conclusion
Character of Sanji was gutted and reduced to a comedic gag. His character and skills are wasted and I wouldn't be surprised if his popularity sinks more and more. Oda doesn't want to deliver on the promises he made for Sanji nor does he wanna develop him properly. I used to love Sanji, he was such a bad ass character and while I am sure he had some really good moments post TS they are pale in comparison to his bad moments. I hope Oda proves me wrong and does something good with his character but allas my faith is small

Next up
Zoro - The Emo, The One Trick Pony and Soulless Character
The Zoro thread is gna be a warzone lool. I wanna see a Luffy one too. :suresure::suresure:
Stay away from WB and Sabo tho :beckmoji:
 
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Sanji has clear potential, he could easily be made to be strong as Zoro but Oda doesn't wanna do it like that despite that being the case up until Post TS.

What? 🤣🤣🤣 maybe in his fanboys heads because to anyone who is not a brainless tard he has always been below Luffy and Zoro throughout the entire series.
Honestly I dont see how you could write a character who's suppose to be a cook first, and doesn't have motivation to become strong to be the same strength as someone who trains everyday and wants to become the strongest at something.........
 
Sanji has clear potential, he could easily be made to be strong as Zoro but Oda doesn't wanna do it like that despite that being the case up until Post TS.

What? 🤣🤣🤣 maybe in his fanboys heads because to anyone who is not a brainless tard he has always been below Luffy and Zoro throughout the entire series.
Sanjis potential died when he left baratie :myman:
With regards to him being a predator.... he always was one... just became more apparent to people. Do you guys not know what a chivalrous knight means.
"I wont hit a woman, but I will molest them" -- Sanji
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Can't wait for the threads about the othet straw hats :milaugh:
I kinda doubt other SHs will have as much of a bad time as sanji.
 

Adam 🍎

Pretty Boy
Ive got to say though that the complaints about his portrayal strength wise are due to some very misplaced expectations. The so-called Monster Trio may be a thing in Nami’s mind, but to the rest of the world and the story of One Piece at large? Irrelevant. Sanji was not mentored by a top tier. His current most outstanding claim to fame is being the son of Judge. His own arc came and went, putting the focus on his personality and cooking rather than combat ability. If all of these glaring red flags weren’t enough to signal to his fandom that they need to lower their expectation, then nothing else will.
Thats the point tho.
Sanji was up until TS up there with Luffy and Zoro and then during TS when Luffy and Zoro got master class trainers Sanji got Ivankov. His regression of power started there
 
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I think it's worth noting that oda writes his own story with sanji. oda used to work in a restaurant called baratie when he was young, he smokes much like sanji, oda is a big P like sanji ,and sanji's pudding and BM story is likely inspired from Oda's own story with his wife and mother in law.
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Thats the point tho.
Sanji was up until TS up there with Luffy and Zoro and then during TS when Luffy and Zoro got master class trainers Sanji got Ivankov. His regression of power started there
I would say since TB, zoro taking on kuma. ever since zoro got ryuuma's blade in TB, oda set them apart, also tanking the pain of luffy, with sanji falling ko from zoro's sword hilt hit. some could argue oda set them apart since alabasta since mr1 looked superior to anything sanji beat until jabra

Also worth to note that there is no top tier cook in op that could train sanji. and RS covers the lac kof top tier mentor
 
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