General & Others Ruination of a character - Sanji, The Predator, The Gag and the Rock Lee of One Piece
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In Oda's mind, he probably thinks Sanji's post-timeskip development makes sense judging by the way he grew during the timeskip. He sent him in an Okama island for 2years, with no woman in sight, creating this result
He even pointed out himself that Post-timeskip Sanji was worse than preskip Sanji in this aspect
But i think he exaggerated this, turning this running gag into something substantial to his character to the point of even affecting the plot
As far as power-level is concerned however, i can understand your feelings. Pretimeskip, Sanji used to fight and defeat one of the top3 strongest antagonists in major arcs like Alabasta(M0, M1, M2), Enies Lobby(Lucci, Kaku, Jyabura) or participating in Monster Trio group fights(Oars in duo battles with Zoro alongside rest of the SHs, or Pacifista battle), but overall i always perceived that as Oda wanting to portray Sanji as one of the top3 fighters in the crew, but with Luffy and Zoro as stronger.
They were his inspiration from the beginning
With Sanji reiterating in TB that he wants them to fulfil their dreams first and foremost
Oda never wrote Sanji with the intention to be as strong as them, but to be strong enough to be part of the top3 in the crew fighting main antagonists. The issue with post-timeskip however is with the involvement of alliances
Think of it as arcs like Skypiea where we had an ally as powerful as Wyper, but it becoming recurrent post-timeskip ever since the initial involvement of SNs turned out to be worst generation in the battle against yonkos, starting by Law's involvement since Punk Hazard
With the growing importance of worst gen characters, it made Oda increase their panel time and importance against main antagonists. He had to make Luffy and Zoro incorporate the group because of their dreams(Pirate King and World Strongest Swordsman) and as a result, with them conserving their importance despite that fact, unlike Sanji's, which regressed to the point they are now portrayed as the leader of the next generation
He even pointed out himself that Post-timeskip Sanji was worse than preskip Sanji in this aspect
But i think he exaggerated this, turning this running gag into something substantial to his character to the point of even affecting the plot
They were his inspiration from the beginning
With Sanji reiterating in TB that he wants them to fulfil their dreams first and foremost
Oda never wrote Sanji with the intention to be as strong as them, but to be strong enough to be part of the top3 in the crew fighting main antagonists. The issue with post-timeskip however is with the involvement of alliances
Think of it as arcs like Skypiea where we had an ally as powerful as Wyper, but it becoming recurrent post-timeskip ever since the initial involvement of SNs turned out to be worst generation in the battle against yonkos, starting by Law's involvement since Punk Hazard
With the growing importance of worst gen characters, it made Oda increase their panel time and importance against main antagonists. He had to make Luffy and Zoro incorporate the group because of their dreams(Pirate King and World Strongest Swordsman) and as a result, with them conserving their importance despite that fact, unlike Sanji's, which regressed to the point they are now portrayed as the leader of the next generation
In Oda's mind, he probably thinks Sanji's post-timeskip development makes sense judging by the way he grew during the timeskip. He sent him in an Okama island for 2years, with no woman in sight, creating this result
He even pointed out himself that Post-timeskip Sanji was worse than preskip Sanji in this aspect
But i think he exaggerated this, turning this running gag into something substantial to his character to the point of even affecting the plot
As far as power-level is concerned however, i can understand your feelings. Pretimeskip, Sanji used to fight and defeat one of the top3 strongest antagonists in major arcs like Alabasta(M0, M1, M2), Enies Lobby(Lucci, Kaku, Jyabura) or participating in Monster Trio group fights(Oars in duo battles with Zoro alongside rest of the SHs, or Pacifista battle), but overall i always perceived that as Oda wanting to portray Sanji as one of the top3 fighters in the crew, but with Luffy and Zoro as stronger.
They were his inspiration from the beginning
With Sanji reiterating in TB that he wants them to fulfil their dreams first and foremost
Oda never wrote Sanji with the intention to be as strong as them, but to be strong enough to be part of the top3 in the crew fighting main antagonists. The issue with post-timeskip however is with the involvement of alliances
Think of it of arcs like Skypiea where we had an ally as powerful as Wyper, but it becoming recurrent post-timeskip ever since the initial involvement of SNs turned out to be worst generation in the battle against yonkos, starting by Law's involvement since Punk Hazard
With the growing importance of worst gen characters, it made Oda increase their panel time and importance against main antagonists. He had to make Luffy and Zoro incorporate the group because of their dreams(Pirate King and Worst Strongest Swordsman) and as a result, with them conserving their importance despite that fact, unlike Sanji's, which regressed to the point they are now portrayed as the leader of the next generation
He even pointed out himself that Post-timeskip Sanji was worse than preskip Sanji in this aspect
But i think he exaggerated this, turning this running gag into something substantial to his character to the point of even affecting the plot
They were his inspiration from the beginning
With Sanji reiterating in TB that he wants them to fulfil their dreams first and foremost
Oda never wrote Sanji with the intention to be as strong as them, but to be strong enough to be part of the top3 in the crew fighting main antagonists. The issue with post-timeskip however is with the involvement of alliances
Think of it of arcs like Skypiea where we had an ally as powerful as Wyper, but it becoming recurrent post-timeskip ever since the initial involvement of SNs turned out to be worst generation in the battle against yonkos, starting by Law's involvement since Punk Hazard
With the growing importance of worst gen characters, it made Oda increase their panel time and importance against main antagonists. He had to make Luffy and Zoro incorporate the group because of their dreams(Pirate King and Worst Strongest Swordsman) and as a result, with them conserving their importance despite that fact, unlike Sanji's, which regressed to the point they are now portrayed as the leader of the next generation
Sanji was never gonna be as strong but he was always dependable as 3rd. Right now i really cant say the same considering he went to get ass in mid war and literally leaving his crew to fight it out all bcs of pervert gag
His perversion literally changed plot
Sanji is a pervert character so overdone gags are a given, but postskip the pervert gag went to 11(most of the SHs simply became their gags to sustain their lack of development and focus postskip). Oda tried justify it having Sanji life with Okamas for 2 years which increased his desire for women but groping his own crewmembers and constantly peeping on them now, even during dire situations, only degrades the character.
As for his strength, Sanji's character arc and end goal doesnt demand he be in combat situations 24/7. Obviously he's been top 3 combat specialist among the SHs but once again, his character doesnt demand he be fighting all the time which makes him very flexible. Luffy's pretty flexible himself but as the MC he must get those battles. Look at Skypia....Zoro got more battles and less comedy than Luffy or Sanji.
As for his strength, Sanji's character arc and end goal doesnt demand he be in combat situations 24/7. Obviously he's been top 3 combat specialist among the SHs but once again, his character doesnt demand he be fighting all the time which makes him very flexible. Luffy's pretty flexible himself but as the MC he must get those battles. Look at Skypia....Zoro got more battles and less comedy than Luffy or Sanji.
I wouldnt mind Sanji being more of a chef but considering we only saw his chef skills in WCI where he literally buffed BM and prevent her from dying out of hunger is just sour in my mouth.
Also, Sanji learnes 99 recipes in Okama land and he literally never used more than one or two and we know his recipes bolster energy and power. So why didnt Sanji use that this arc? Like out of all fights you could have this one should be the one where Sanji goes full on Gordon Ramsay and cooks for his crew
Also, Sanji learnes 99 recipes in Okama land and he literally never used more than one or two and we know his recipes bolster energy and power. So why didnt Sanji use that this arc? Like out of all fights you could have this one should be the one where Sanji goes full on Gordon Ramsay and cooks for his crew
nah dude, the arc after TB consist of sabaody, amazon lily, impel down, and marineford then TIME SKiP, do you know what time skip is dude, even marineford is not post ts arc..
you said zoro is soulless character, zoro is just luffy guard dog wtf dude.. yes zoro is there to protect luffy and his crew so what's so wrong about it?
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you said zoro is soulless character, zoro is just luffy guard dog wtf dude.. yes zoro is there to protect luffy and his crew so what's so wrong about it?