Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1004 Spoilers Discussion

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Paperchampion23 said:
All of this is explained in the manga before the raid. Kanjuro says he's going to go where Hiyori and kill her, indicating he knows where she was.

It makes zero sense to silhouette a known present character. It makes complete sense to silhouette a previously thought dead character.
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We just got an Ace silhouette in 998 lol, so I wouldn't put much stock into that person being Toki based on that. (Even though I really want it to be her)
 
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HA001

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Hiragaro said:
1. Strength of a trainer doesn't matter and it doesn't mean you will get effected by their strength and grow faster lol.
2. Zoro will never be stronger than Luffy - pure headcanon. But Zoro isn't stronger nor as strong as Luffy, so no problem there.
3. Luffy has the fastest growth rate in the whole crew.
4. Most are training everyday, we only see Zoro train because there is nothing else to show from him. Every time we see the SH's on the ship, they do their jobs, Zoro doesn't have a job like the others, he doesn't do anything besides fighting. He is a combatant. So the only thing you can show him do is training or sleeping.
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of course the strength of the trainer matters
the stronger the trainer is the higher the level of haki they will have and more things to teach
what a dumb thing to say
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Lukegranders said:
Not*. Marco isn’t fighting king. Please reread the manga if you seriously think Marco is gonna fight king
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of course he is
 
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Sword God Ryuma

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Cinera said:
King is not pushing Zoro to extreme diff. Not even if Zoro only has to fight him with 2 swords:
  • Homurasaki is an Ittoryu technique
  • Zoro has several Ittoryu and Nitoryu techniques that could oneshot King
    • Iai: Shishi Sonson
    • Iai: Shi Shishi Sonson
    • Iai: Rashomon
      • A potential upgrade to Rashomon might exist, just like Shi Shishi sonson
    • Hiryuu Kaen
Zoro defeated Ryuma using only Nitoryu, and he didn't outclass Ryuma as a swordsman. Taking away one of his swords is not enouh to push King from getting mid/high diffed to getting extreme diffed.

Zoro is not lacking in CQC ability or the firepower to face King (what removing his third sword would take away).
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Why you even bothering with these 🤡. Zoro is fighting Youkous, he is in a whole different situation from people down below. Its not comparable. King gets washed.
 
Doggo

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Paperchampion23 said:
Yall really don't understand what "bad writing" actually is. Its like how people here say "plothole" and it entirely used wrong as a definition. Bad writing would be that it isn't explained or just written into the plot badly.

Tama's power has been shown since the 3rd chapter of Wano. Its been shown multiple times that she can take over smile users. Its pretty much well guessed that she will be useful in reducing enemy numbers in a LOGICAL way. Its also literally Usopp sniping her dango in their mouths while also using the dango as means to cure them of the virus by lying.

So tell me, what exactly is "bad writing" here? The difference is, you don't like it. Thats not bad writing, that's you not liking said writing, even if its been logically explained to you for 100 chapters.
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I dont think he means it is a plot hole.
I think he means It's just stupid that a 9 year old is mind controlling a good chunk of a Yonko army with a dumbass ability.
:P
 
Salah WG

Salah WG

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Are people talking about Nerfs?
Alright, let's check

Oda made Buggy immune to Sword Slashes just so that Luffy fights him & Zoro doesn't end the Arc sooner
Cabaji? Zoro was Injured & went & worsened that Injury & Buggy tried to help too
Sham & Buchi? It was a 2 v 1 & Zoro took 1 hit to protect Usopp & Nami
Hatchan? Check Arlong's Reaction when he saw Zoro's Scar
Ohm? The guy had a Dog help him & they were fighting in his Area full of Traps (Ordeal of Iron)
Foxy Game? Zoro had to Play it without Swords
Ryuma? Zoro fought him without Santoryu
Hody? Zoro fought him Under Water
Killer? Zoro also fought him without Santoryu
Kaido? Oda had to include BM in this Arc just to tell him to Dodge
Just like he had to include Fujitora in Dressrosa Arc just so that Doffy doesn't fight Zoro
Even in Film Gold, Tesoro had to help in Zoro's fight against Dice & forced Zoro to beat the guy Swordsless

And when Oda decides to make Zoro not Nerfed, he makes his Opponents able to survive his Slashes somehow like making Mr .1 Iron, Pica hides in Stone, Logia Users ... etc

Aside from Mr. 1, Kaku remains as the only Fight of Zoro where he was pushed to show his True Power & it was still not an Extreme Diff fight like Luffy vs Lucci

Other than that, Zoro is a Walking Nerfed Character
 
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