Character Discussion Sanji is weak willed compared to Zoro and Luffy
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This is like getting on Usopp for telling Nami to cap on Luffy's name in front of Ulti so her head wouldn't be split open. We all know Usopp himself would stand up for Luffy yet why would he say this? It's because Oda has the Straw Hats but their nakama-ness get in the way of their personal ambitions or dreams.
It's also similar to Sanji telling Robin it was silly to take things upon herself in Water 7 but also doing the same thing in WCI. Other Straw Hats do this to as well it isn't just a Sanji issue. Zoro in Thriller Bark took things upon themselves and has yet to tell Luffy about it because it would hurt Luffy's pride as a captain. It's really just Oda writing how important being a crew means to them to the point where they sometimes act out of character.
Sanji showed in Thriller Bark how willing he really is and that stuff in Baratie for me just seemed to be him being concerned about Zoro not that he doesn't see the value in Zoro's ambition.
PS Sanji not leaving Baratie has nothing to do with him not having ambition to go after his dream it's just that he feels indebted to Zeff and protecting Baratie (which is all Zeff really had going for him) hence why he took up the sous chef spot and worked there for so long.
It's also similar to Sanji telling Robin it was silly to take things upon herself in Water 7 but also doing the same thing in WCI. Other Straw Hats do this to as well it isn't just a Sanji issue. Zoro in Thriller Bark took things upon themselves and has yet to tell Luffy about it because it would hurt Luffy's pride as a captain. It's really just Oda writing how important being a crew means to them to the point where they sometimes act out of character.
Sanji showed in Thriller Bark how willing he really is and that stuff in Baratie for me just seemed to be him being concerned about Zoro not that he doesn't see the value in Zoro's ambition.
PS Sanji not leaving Baratie has nothing to do with him not having ambition to go after his dream it's just that he feels indebted to Zeff and protecting Baratie (which is all Zeff really had going for him) hence why he took up the sous chef spot and worked there for so long.
The majority of his videos are him talking his ass out about things that he doesn't have clue about. He picks certain topics that fits his agenda the most and pushes him onto the community and later idiots believe that it takes 3 admirals to take out Yonko or Sanji being stronger than Zoro.
Use your own brain if you have one not a pre-made video of this guy.
Use your own brain if you have one not a pre-made video of this guy.
Hello ladies and gentlemen.
Sanji is too weak willed compared to Luffy and Zoro, And he has less resolve compared to the two, And thats also why he wont ever get COC.
Since the beginning of the story we leared how strong willed Luffy and Zoro are
- As Luffy wanted to be the pirate king and acquire one piece
- And zoro wanted to be the strongest swordman
In sanjis introduction arc on the Chef Baratie we learned that sanji thought both Luffy and Zoro are just crazy for following their dreams and that they should give up:
This is no coincidence, this is how Sanji was portrayed compared to luffy and zoro, He was always portrayed as of weaker will, Someone who follows.
And this is why Sanji doesnt have strong enough will to be a conqueror
*More proof:
On the other hand Zoro and luffy both would throw their lives to get to their goal, To be the strongest. And that was evident from the beginning:
* Sanji needed pursing to even go on to sea and look for all blue and fulfill his dream, If it wasnt for Luffy and Zoro he might be still a cook at the chef baratie
Proof:
- On the other hand both Luffy and Zoro Were on their journey to accomplish their goals and dreams even before their met each others, Infact they both were on that journey since they were children, They both decided while they were children and trained in their own way day and night to get as strong as they did so they can one day set to sea and fulfill their dreams. And they set to sea both on their own to do so.
*Sanji even said that his dream was fulfilled in fishman island:
-He already found his all blue and fulfilled his dream.
On the contrary some people said that this wasnt serious sanji. But even if he wasnt serious would Zoro ever throw away his dream as ajoke? would luffy throw away his dream as a joke? they both wont because they know how important it is for them. Sanji joking around with his goal like that just shows that hes not as serious about it as Zoro and Luffy.
Luffy and Zoro have will and resolve that surpasses that of Sanji by a big margin.
Even if you look on their dreams finding all blue seems like a small feat compared to being the pirate king or the strongest swordmen in the world.
All opinions are welcome
I am sure more people will provide more evidence
Poll included
Edits:
*Edit: Just to clarify i didnt mean Sanji has no will at all or that hes weak willed compared to most people, obviously sanji is strong willed compared to most people, I am just talking about his will specifically compared to Luffy and zoro
**Edit 2 : talking about resolve Sanji wouldnt hit a women because its part of his moral. Even if it means Him and others will die, He would sacrifice his dream for his morals. Zoro on the other hand have morals but he will sacrifice them instead if it means it will hinder him from getting to his dream, Same with luffy: the most recent evidence to this that comes to mind is Sanji refuses to beat black maria at all costs. On the other hand Zoro didnt want to hit Monet but decided to do so, Because She was posing danger to him and tashigi.
***Edit 3 : it came to my attention after a fine gentlemen pointed this out to me that in Thriller Bark Sanji was downed by a love tap from Zoro, but Zoro went on to take Luffy's entire pain and suffering.
Which outlines that Zoros resolve was above sanjis in protecting his crew ( including sanji ), Like i said not taking away from sanji i thought he was very noble aswell but Zoro's Resolve was a bit stronger.
Proof :
**** Edit 4 : It was brought to my attention by another gentlemen in this forum that This behavior of sanji showed moments of weakness in his resolve and will continued into the chole cake island Arc.
Proof:
-In WCI sanji gives up on his dreams and ambitions and accepts big moms demands. And he needed luffy to pursue him to find his dreams again.
-So Sanji gave up everything including his friends and dreams. Yeah you can make the argument that in his mind it was because he feared for their lives, But in reality he gave up without fighting or trying to fight in any other way, In reality he did because of fear and never tried to face those fears. He was going to give up finding all blue and living his life as big moms "prince" without even fighting for it or trying to fight against it until luffy came for him.
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Thanks for reading
Sanji is too weak willed compared to Luffy and Zoro, And he has less resolve compared to the two, And thats also why he wont ever get COC.
Since the beginning of the story we leared how strong willed Luffy and Zoro are
- As Luffy wanted to be the pirate king and acquire one piece
- And zoro wanted to be the strongest swordman
In sanjis introduction arc on the Chef Baratie we learned that sanji thought both Luffy and Zoro are just crazy for following their dreams and that they should give up:
This is no coincidence, this is how Sanji was portrayed compared to luffy and zoro, He was always portrayed as of weaker will, Someone who follows.
And this is why Sanji doesnt have strong enough will to be a conqueror
*More proof:
On the other hand Zoro and luffy both would throw their lives to get to their goal, To be the strongest. And that was evident from the beginning:
* Sanji needed pursing to even go on to sea and look for all blue and fulfill his dream, If it wasnt for Luffy and Zoro he might be still a cook at the chef baratie
Proof:
- On the other hand both Luffy and Zoro Were on their journey to accomplish their goals and dreams even before their met each others, Infact they both were on that journey since they were children, They both decided while they were children and trained in their own way day and night to get as strong as they did so they can one day set to sea and fulfill their dreams. And they set to sea both on their own to do so.
*Sanji even said that his dream was fulfilled in fishman island:
-He already found his all blue and fulfilled his dream.
On the contrary some people said that this wasnt serious sanji. But even if he wasnt serious would Zoro ever throw away his dream as ajoke? would luffy throw away his dream as a joke? they both wont because they know how important it is for them. Sanji joking around with his goal like that just shows that hes not as serious about it as Zoro and Luffy.
Luffy and Zoro have will and resolve that surpasses that of Sanji by a big margin.
Even if you look on their dreams finding all blue seems like a small feat compared to being the pirate king or the strongest swordmen in the world.
All opinions are welcome
I am sure more people will provide more evidence
Poll included
Edits:
*Edit: Just to clarify i didnt mean Sanji has no will at all or that hes weak willed compared to most people, obviously sanji is strong willed compared to most people, I am just talking about his will specifically compared to Luffy and zoro
**Edit 2 : talking about resolve Sanji wouldnt hit a women because its part of his moral. Even if it means Him and others will die, He would sacrifice his dream for his morals. Zoro on the other hand have morals but he will sacrifice them instead if it means it will hinder him from getting to his dream, Same with luffy: the most recent evidence to this that comes to mind is Sanji refuses to beat black maria at all costs. On the other hand Zoro didnt want to hit Monet but decided to do so, Because She was posing danger to him and tashigi.
***Edit 3 : it came to my attention after a fine gentlemen pointed this out to me that in Thriller Bark Sanji was downed by a love tap from Zoro, but Zoro went on to take Luffy's entire pain and suffering.
Which outlines that Zoros resolve was above sanjis in protecting his crew ( including sanji ), Like i said not taking away from sanji i thought he was very noble aswell but Zoro's Resolve was a bit stronger.
Proof :
**** Edit 4 : It was brought to my attention by another gentlemen in this forum that This behavior of sanji showed moments of weakness in his resolve and will continued into the chole cake island Arc.
Proof:
-In WCI sanji gives up on his dreams and ambitions and accepts big moms demands. And he needed luffy to pursue him to find his dreams again.
-So Sanji gave up everything including his friends and dreams. Yeah you can make the argument that in his mind it was because he feared for their lives, But in reality he gave up without fighting or trying to fight in any other way, In reality he did because of fear and never tried to face those fears. He was going to give up finding all blue and living his life as big moms "prince" without even fighting for it or trying to fight against it until luffy came for him.
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Thanks for reading
what would be next essay? "Kaido is physically stronger than Usopp?"
You just need to look at the way they take strenght.
One training like a pack animal, the other relying on Red Suits but never training as properly since he simply doesn't feel as much as the urge to.
One is called by random people a guy worthy of taking Luffy's place, it never occurs with the other. Take this one as you wish of course.
Then OP also proves things like how the All Blue was not that important for Adult Sanji anymore.
One training like a pack animal, the other relying on Red Suits but never training as properly since he simply doesn't feel as much as the urge to.
One is called by random people a guy worthy of taking Luffy's place, it never occurs with the other. Take this one as you wish of course.
Then OP also proves things like how the All Blue was not that important for Adult Sanji anymore.
?
Wanna fill me in where Sanji was literally chasing women trying to strip them?
Sure, and we saw how that affected him.
Running nonstop for 2yrs, no sleep, no women
vs
comfy life and training from the best person of his craft
So 5star hotel and training from WSS?
Sounds the same as what I said.
Zolo had the option of learning haki and getting to drink
Sanji had no option of outrunning okamas and making women appear
+When I was talking about mental strength, I was talking about doing nothing but run for 2yrs from people you hate in a place that you hate.
So I take it that you only responded a small portion of my comment means that everything else I've said was correct.
Thus:
Sanji's will is stronger than Zolo's will.
Wanna fill me in where Sanji was literally chasing women trying to strip them?
Sure, and we saw how that affected him.
Running nonstop for 2yrs, no sleep, no women
vs
comfy life and training from the best person of his craft
So 5star hotel and training from WSS?
Sounds the same as what I said.
Zolo had the option of learning haki and getting to drink
Sanji had no option of outrunning okamas and making women appear
+When I was talking about mental strength, I was talking about doing nothing but run for 2yrs from people you hate in a place that you hate.
So I take it that you only responded a small portion of my comment means that everything else I've said was correct.
Thus:
Sanji's will is stronger than Zolo's will.
What was that full portion about ? About all blue being myth and that stuation makes it harder to chase? Lol. Already many pirates r chasing their dreams to find laugh tale which is something between real and myth to become Pk. if you say thats not myth but reality than dare to explain Wb's last words about One piece being real.
You say sanji's will is stronger bec of there was no chick at island but just visualise simp's face after he saw that zoro saved hiyori. Sanji were lucky there was no chick to provoke his lust unlike zoro. At zoro's side there was always someone to provoke who drinks in front of him but he cant due to training. There is huge different between that you r hungry af but there is no food and you r hungry af but someone in front of you eats like animal and doesnt shares with you.
You say sanji's will is stronger bec of there was no chick at island but just visualise simp's face after he saw that zoro saved hiyori. Sanji were lucky there was no chick to provoke his lust unlike zoro. At zoro's side there was always someone to provoke who drinks in front of him but he cant due to training. There is huge different between that you r hungry af but there is no food and you r hungry af but someone in front of you eats like animal and doesnt shares with you.
