Character Discussion Debunking the myths that "Zoro never fought the main villain of an arc" and "Zoros opponents were never close in power compared to Luffy’s opponents"

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Hello Ladies and gentlemen

I am back yet again with another controversial topic that might spark an argument here and there

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Today we are going to discuss and debunk the two sayings that Zoro never fights the main villain of an arc ( and do something significant to him ofcourse) and that Zoros opponents are never close to luffy's opponents in power.

And we are going to show this with these four methods:

*Showing panels where Zoro had feats against the main characters of Arcs (1v1 and 2v1 with luffy)
*Showing panels where Zoro had a important fought that stood out from the flow of the story which mainly served his own story line.
*Showing How Some of Zoros opponents scaled against luffy in the rare occasions that luffy fought them
*Comparing how some of zoros and luffys opponents had kept their relevance after they where defeated and the arc ended- This is a portrayal comparison

-With that lets get started>

* Luffy and Zoro 2v1's Morgan in shells town, In which Zoro had the final blow, morgan was the arc's main villain


*Zoro had a fight with mihawk which he lost. But that fight stood out for two reason, His opponent is still one of the strongest in the whole series even though he introduced so early and duo to the fact that his appearance only served Zoros story line.

This fight is also important in portrayal, Because it portrays Zoros goal to be the world strongest swordmen as very important part of the story which needs to be progressed through, Obviously Mihawk is still portrayed as the worlds strongest swordmen in the world and made many important appearances in the story later on.


*Zoro fought hatchan, this is a portrayal feat because along side arlong himself, He kept his relevance later own in the story, Strength wise he wasnt very comparable to arlong. But portryal wise he kept his importance in fishmen island.


*In arabasta arc Zoro fought MR1, Who was portrayed as very strong compared to the other opponents straw hats faced that ARC, Later on after impel down he was able to block a slash from Mihawk. His skills are good enough to be recognized by mihawk, who does not bother to remember the names of every weakling that he crushes.


*Zoro fought Ryumas corpse, Which like Mihawk mainly served the progress to his own story, This happened in thriller park, Futher more, Portrayal wise Ryuma served a more important part than most if not all character who made an appearance that arc. For two reasons: We learned that ryuma is tied to the wano kingdom and his story kept its relevance until today. His sword shusui was a legendary sword which was important in the Wano arc aswell. Which means relevance wise hes more important than alot of characters the straw hats fought. Strength wise we learned that Ryuma was very strong he also had shusui which is a strong sword, Brooks soul also possessed him if we take all of these into consideration we can assume that he was Very strong.


*And the same thriller ARC Zoro fought ors. But that fight was more of a straw hats tag team So its not much relevant. He also had a clash with Kuma which he also lost.

*Luffy thought Hyyozou was strong and that he withstood his attack, This is no coincidence its luffy confirming that hyouzou was stronger than the other fishmen pirates he met so far, This is to highlight hyouzou from the other fishmen pirates. Zoro proceeded to beat overdosed Hyouzou with ease.



* In the same arc Zoro also fought Hody underwater. Zoro didnt fight overdosed Hody. But he fought him underwater without any oxygen source, He also blitz one shot him with ease.

These two panels obviously highlights That Zoro does fight strong opponents and sometimes even the main villain's or arcs which he does fairly good against.

* Luffy almost died to monet, Zoro beat monet by only striking fear into her. This is not because Monet is weak, This is because Zoro is very strong.
If monet was really weak then she wouldnt have been able to almost kill luffy, Luffy had to run from the fight by breaking the floor underneath him. Which allowed him to escape. If he didnt do that he might have died to monet.



*Zoro also fought super novas and beat them, or did fairly good against. Those are not just any opponents, All of them had important portrayal in the story and were recognized as the worst gen and super rookies along side their super nova title. Note that Zoro one shot Apoo once he got serious. And in the fight against killer Zoro was poisoned and starving and missing a sword which is a massive nerf to the three sword grandmaster.





*And Last but not least, Zoro is currently as we speak fighting and doing better than every one on the roof for now next to luffy ( might change later but only speaking about what we know as of now) against two yonkos, Kaido and big mom.


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I might have forgot a few fights and feats. will add them if you guys remind me.

All opinions welcome

Thanks for reading

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From what we know happened on the roof :

Kaido get hit by Luffy and says ' What happened after I crushed him in Wano'‚ being surprised he got this powerful‚ then sees Roger‚ Whitebeard‚ Oden‚ xebec and Shanks behind Luffy while thinking ' That makes no sense. there are only a handful of people who can beat me ' while also thinking about LUFFY ' How high will your ceiling go '

Now when Zoro cut him by enma‚ he didn't say anything about Zoro‚ all he was concerned about even after being cut is oden's presence in the katana‚ which makes sense seeing that Oden has rent free space in Kaido's head.

Kaido's opinion after getting hit by Luffy and after getting cut by Zoro. The strongest creature's opinion not mine‚ says enough
 
#6
If monet was really weak then she wouldnt have been able to almost kill luffy, Luffy had to run from the fight by breaking the floor underneath him. Which allowed him to escape. If he didnt do that he might have died to monet.
This is the biggest bullshit....Luffy being dumbass in this fight...Monet herself agreed that Luffy is so strong for her....saying Luffy might have died to Monet is the biggest ever lie...Luffy didn't run from fight by breaking the floor...Luffy unintentionally broke the floor because he is dumbass

Anyways,
Arlong >> Hachi
Crocodile >> Mr. 1
Lucci >> Kaku
Buggy > Cabaji
Moria >> Zombie Ryuma
Hody >> Hyogou
Caesar >> Monet
Doflamingo >> Pica
Katakuri >> Killer
 
#7
From what we know happened on the roof :

Kaido get hit by Luffy and says ' What happened after I crushed him in Wano'‚ being surprised he got this powerful‚ then sees Roger‚ Whitebeard‚ Oden‚ xebec and Shanks behind Luffy while thinking ' That makes no sense. there are only a handful of people who can beat me ' while also thinking about LUFFY ' How high will your ceiling go '

Now when Zoro cut him by enma‚ he didn't say anything about Zoro‚ all he was concerned about even after being cut is oden's presence in the katana‚ which makes sense seeing that Oden has rent free space in Kaido's head.

Kaido's opinion after getting hit by Luffy and after getting cut by Zoro. The strongest creature's opinion not mine‚ says enough
Kaido is surprised by the power up luffy got, And he asks him if he can surpass the people he fought. That doesnt mean Zoro is weak.
You are ignoring every feat zoro done against kaido. That was because he had an interactions with luffy before hand. he didnt have an interaction with zoro before that and is knowing who he is in this fight.


 
#8
Kaido is surprised by the power up luffy got, And he asks him if he can surpass the people he fought. That doesnt mean Zoro is weak.
You are ignoring every feat zoro done against kaido. That was because he had an interactions with luffy before hand. he didnt have an interaction with zoro before that and is knowing who he is in this fight.


I never said Zoro is weak. I am saying that according to kaido's opinion‚ he never saw Zoro as strong as xebec‚ Roger and so on. All he cared about after being cut is oden's presence and we all know how oden has rent free space in his head. Yes zoro's attacks hurt him‚ but so did killer's and law's gamma knife‚ yet the only one whom made him remember xebec and so on is luffy's attack
 
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This is the biggest bullshit....Luffy being dumbass in this fight...Monet herself agreed that Luffy is so strong for her....saying Luffy might have died to Monet is the biggest ever lie...Luffy didn't run from fight by breaking the floor...Luffy unintentionally broke the floor because he is dumbass

Anyways,
Arlong >> Hachi
Crocodile >> Mr. 1
Lucci >> Kaku
Buggy > Cabaji
Moria >> Zombie Ryuma
Hody >> Hyogou
Caesar >> Monet
Doflamingo >> Pica
Katakuri >> Killer
i didnt say that the opponents luffy fought are weaker than the opponents Zoro fought, I said that they are not as weak compared to the opponents luffy fought as people make them look like.
And go reread the chapter monet almost froze luffy to death until luffy broke the floor to get away from her. He broke it intentionally to get away. You can even see him looking at the floor while breaking it.

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I never said Zoro is weak. I am saying that according to kaido's opinion‚ he never saw Zoro as strong as xebec‚ Roger and so on. All he cared about after being cut is oden's presence and we all know how oden has rent free space in his head. Yes zoro's attacks hurt him‚ but so did killer's and law's gamma knife‚ yet the only one whom made him remember xebec and so on is luffy's attack
He didnt see luffy as strong as them either, Hes asking Luffy if he an break the ceiling and get to their level and surpass them. either way thats not the point the point that Zoro fights kaido and fought main arc villains of arcs, And that his opponents are not weak as people make them out to be compared to luffy's opponents.
 
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i didnt say that the opponents luffy fought are weaker than the opponents Zoro fought, I said that they are not as weak compared to the opponents luffy fought as people make them look like.
And go reread the chapter monet almost froze luffy to death until luffy broke the floor to get away from her. He broke it intentionally to get away. You can even see him looking at the floor while breaking it.

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He didnt see luffy as strong as them either, Hes asking Luffy if he an break the ceiling and get to their level and surpass them. either way thats not the point the point that Zoro fights kaido and fought main arc villains of arcs, And that his opponents are not weak as people make them out to be compared to luffy's opponents.
Zoro did fight main arc villains‚ but if he had the final full fight instead of Luffy ( with his power level at that time of Luffy fighting that villain )‚ he would have lost most of them. Hody is the one that stands the most that Zoro ( with his power level at the time of each of luffy's final battles each arc ) could have beaten‚ but Zoro isn't beating Doflamino‚ Katakuri‚ not even Crocodile ( at Alabasta's time ) he struggled fighting Daz bones
 
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And go reread the chapter monet almost froze luffy to death until luffy broke the floor to get away from her. He broke it intentionally to get away. You can even see him looking at the floor while breaking it.
like I said Luffy is dumbass....he didn't run away...he fell down in the dumpster because of his stupidity....anyways, that had to happen because that led to him finding Momonoske...
 
#12
Zoro did fight main arc villains‚ but if he had the final full fight instead of Luffy ( with his power level at that time of Luffy fighting that villain )‚ he would have lost most of them. Hody is the one that stands the most that Zoro could have beaten‚ but Zoro isn't beating Doflamino‚ Katakuri‚ not even Crocodile ( at Alabasta's time ) he struggled fighting Daz bones
I proved that das bonez wasnt a pushover and was very strong, And i never said that zoro would have beaten crocodile. Infact not even luffy would have beaten him if not for the water as luffy didnt know haki at that point. what i said is that daz bonez is a very strong opponent who would have even challenged luffy in a very tough fight. And zoro was able to beat him. Luffy would very much struggle against daz bonez himself without haki.
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like I said Luffy is dumbass....he didn't run away...he fell down in the dumpster because of his stupidity....anyways, that had to happen because that led to him finding Momonoske...
I already proved to you that luffy broke the floor while looking at it intentionally. Whether hes a dumbass or not is irrelevant, My point still stands monet was a very tough opponent when luffy fought her.
 
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I proved that das bonez wasnt a pushover and was very strong, And i never said that zoro would have beaten crocodile. Infact not even luffy would have beaten him if not for the water as luffy didnt know haki at that point. what i said is that daz bonez is a very strong opponent who would have even challenged luffy in a very tough fight. And zoro was able to beat him. Luffy would very much struggle against daz bonez himself without haki.
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I already proved to you that luffy broke the floor while looking at it intentionally. Whether hes a dumbass or not is irrelevant, My point still stands monet was a very tough opponent when luffy fought her.
My point was Luffy fought Crocodile who is tons stronger than Daz bones.
 
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Tough or not that I can't tell and don't know. But it matters not since Luffy beat croco who I think we agree can't be debated‚is tons tougher than Daz bones
well thats the point i am making, Daz bonez would have been a strong opponent for luffy and was recognized by mihawk therefor he wasnt tons weaker than crocodile. Crocodile was obviously stronger. But even luffy would have struggled against Daz bonez.
 
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well thats the point i am making, Daz bonez would have been a strong opponent for luffy and was recognized by mihawk therefor he wasnt tons weaker than crocodile. Crocodile was obviously stronger. But even luffy would have struggled against Daz bonez.
Luffy would have struggled againt many of Zoro's opponent's ‚ difference is we can make a claim that he would have won at the end‚ he beat whom is stronger for each arc already‚which is a claim we can't make for Zoro ( at the end of each arc ) fighting Luffy's opponents except for Hody
 
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