[FNZ] Role Madness [Season 2] Round 1 - The Dancing Valentine
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Yes, but my point there was that if that indeed is the case, then it's somewhat flawed design because scum abilities are implemented that are designed to be hard countered. And generally as a host if you find yourself in that predicament then it's best to avoid using those abilities entirely. Is it technically possible? Sure, but dangerous to assume in my opinion.
Yep, so we should let it go to RNG. And then abstain entirely.
Right. I mean I feel like if any part of the writeup is a lie, the whole writeup can be written off.
It's a possibility, and exactly why everyone should be abstaining from here on out.
This is utter nonsense. If only three people can be lynched today, a redirected lynch will fail if it is redirected to an invalid lynch. If we assume everything in that writeup is true, then you would be an invalid vote. Abilities cannot break established mechanics and restrictions.
I don't agree I was coasting last day phase either. I may not post as much as a lot of players, but most people ultimately ended up agreeing with my suspect list, and one of them ended up with most votes. I did have discussions with several players too. And if you think posting text walls is a scum tell when several players more familiar with me than you are telling you otherwise I can only say you are full of hubris.
If you do end up getting lynched, and flip town, it would certainly be unfortunate, but would also prove to us that we are not restricted in our vote by the Bloody Valentines. Though I'm willing to gamble that if you are lynchable today, you're not town.
What it sounds like is you holding contradictory stances. If you are so convinced that the writeup is genuine, and if you are who you appear to be you should be, then you should also be convinced that the three listed to be lynched, are the only ones who can be lynched today. I don't know if you are aware of the Gladiator ability, but that can force a lynch between themselves and a player of their choosing. Almost exactly the same as this, and in that lynch redirects etc do not work if they go outside of what is considered valid for that day phase.
Yep, so we should let it go to RNG. And then abstain entirely.
Right. I mean I feel like if any part of the writeup is a lie, the whole writeup can be written off.
It's a possibility, and exactly why everyone should be abstaining from here on out.
This is utter nonsense. If only three people can be lynched today, a redirected lynch will fail if it is redirected to an invalid lynch. If we assume everything in that writeup is true, then you would be an invalid vote. Abilities cannot break established mechanics and restrictions.
I don't agree I was coasting last day phase either. I may not post as much as a lot of players, but most people ultimately ended up agreeing with my suspect list, and one of them ended up with most votes. I did have discussions with several players too. And if you think posting text walls is a scum tell when several players more familiar with me than you are telling you otherwise I can only say you are full of hubris.
If you do end up getting lynched, and flip town, it would certainly be unfortunate, but would also prove to us that we are not restricted in our vote by the Bloody Valentines. Though I'm willing to gamble that if you are lynchable today, you're not town.
What it sounds like is you holding contradictory stances. If you are so convinced that the writeup is genuine, and if you are who you appear to be you should be, then you should also be convinced that the three listed to be lynched, are the only ones who can be lynched today. I don't know if you are aware of the Gladiator ability, but that can force a lynch between themselves and a player of their choosing. Almost exactly the same as this, and in that lynch redirects etc do not work if they go outside of what is considered valid for that day phase.
You do realize arriving with textwall defense does not make you any less scummy, right? Fact is you are trying to steer away from Emilia and proposing a Town as a backup lynch option just to confirm if a tinfoil you have is right or wrong. This won‘t quite cut it, especially not since we are not aware how that event works and if the lynch really can‘t be redirected or not.
As I see it you are scum and I‘m a threat to you, so you want me gone as soon as possible.
Another thing to note is you saying the challenges could be scum aligned. And that we should possibly stay away from them. So what if losing or not accepting a challenge leads to another Bloody Valentine event and you know it and try luring Townies into not challenging players so that we have another event and no free Lynch?
There is nothing Townie about you or anything you suggest.
As I see it you are scum and I‘m a threat to you, so you want me gone as soon as possible.
Another thing to note is you saying the challenges could be scum aligned. And that we should possibly stay away from them. So what if losing or not accepting a challenge leads to another Bloody Valentine event and you know it and try luring Townies into not challenging players so that we have another event and no free Lynch?
There is nothing Townie about you or anything you suggest.
Okay, here is the deal:
Emilia and Ratchet are buddies.
Emilia can only get lynched by majority vote which is why Ratchet tries splitting the votes and is steering away from Emilia as best as he can to ensure she won‘t get lynched.
If Emilia doesn‘t have majority vote the lynch will go to the next wagon which would be me, even with the event because I doubt lynch redirects are rendered useless during that.
Conclusion: We need to get majority vote on Emilia today. It‘s possible she‘s The Godfather.
Emilia and Ratchet are buddies.
Emilia can only get lynched by majority vote which is why Ratchet tries splitting the votes and is steering away from Emilia as best as he can to ensure she won‘t get lynched.
If Emilia doesn‘t have majority vote the lynch will go to the next wagon which would be me, even with the event because I doubt lynch redirects are rendered useless during that.
Conclusion: We need to get majority vote on Emilia today. It‘s possible she‘s The Godfather.
For this true, you'll have to first qualify how "text walls" are scummy in the first place. Good luck selling that one.
That's not what a fact is. Fact is something that has to be proven correct. This is an interpretation, a fairly wild and paranoid one at that.
But we are. If the "event" makes it so one of three players have to be lynched.... then one of those three players have to be lynched. Why on Earth would scum be able to bypass this when the act of forcing the town to pick between a small lynch pool is anti-Town in itself? Have you given any actual thought to this whatsoever?
Okay, and so you think as scum, my best option here is not to eliminate you in the Night Phase, but to push a lynch onto you at great cost to myself, and my scum buddy? Do you realise how ridiculous this is getting? If I'm scum, and Emilia is my scum buddy, then it's way more sensible for me to be pushing a lynch onto one of the other two, than to come up with this whole scenario which will end in you being lynched, flipping town and then me looking bad for it. Not to say that I couldn't do it of course, but my point here is to say that the scenario you are clinging to is becoming increasingly erratic.
LMAO. I know because I didn't challenge anyone last night, and neither me nor my partner are in that list of three. Also, what free lynch? Are you suggesting that this lynch is extra to the normal one?
@Noctis Can you confirm? How many players can be lynched today?
That's not what a fact is. Fact is something that has to be proven correct. This is an interpretation, a fairly wild and paranoid one at that.
But we are. If the "event" makes it so one of three players have to be lynched.... then one of those three players have to be lynched. Why on Earth would scum be able to bypass this when the act of forcing the town to pick between a small lynch pool is anti-Town in itself? Have you given any actual thought to this whatsoever?
Okay, and so you think as scum, my best option here is not to eliminate you in the Night Phase, but to push a lynch onto you at great cost to myself, and my scum buddy? Do you realise how ridiculous this is getting? If I'm scum, and Emilia is my scum buddy, then it's way more sensible for me to be pushing a lynch onto one of the other two, than to come up with this whole scenario which will end in you being lynched, flipping town and then me looking bad for it. Not to say that I couldn't do it of course, but my point here is to say that the scenario you are clinging to is becoming increasingly erratic.
LMAO. I know because I didn't challenge anyone last night, and neither me nor my partner are in that list of three. Also, what free lynch? Are you suggesting that this lynch is extra to the normal one?
@Noctis Can you confirm? How many players can be lynched today?
So what I‘m getting from this is you know exactly how this event works that you‘re able to say all this with such confidence. TMI noted.
Also I meant free lynch as in we can freely decide who to lynch. I think this was pretty clear.
Emilia will get lynched today and we are getting maj vote on her.
I STRONGLY FEEL THAT‘S NECESSARY to lynch her and the fact you‘re trying to prevent that speaks volumes.
We will see about you after her flip.
Also I meant free lynch as in we can freely decide who to lynch. I think this was pretty clear.
Emilia will get lynched today and we are getting maj vote on her.
I STRONGLY FEEL THAT‘S NECESSARY to lynch her and the fact you‘re trying to prevent that speaks volumes.
We will see about you after her flip.
I mean, you're the one insisting that a mechanic that makes only three people lynch able for the Day Phase can be entirely circumvented through a lynch redirect, than scum has access to this lynch redirect and that one of the three must be scum. And you've also gone out of your way to disagree with my belief that we should be ignoring what looks to have led to this situation, despite also admitting that only having three lynch candidates is a bad thing. If the burden of proof lies with anyone at this stage, it's you.
Nope, it wasn't clear at all. Firstly, "free lynch" and "freely lynch" are two completely different things. Free, in this context, refers to a usage of a game mechanic that is usually restricted to one per cycle, so to say something is a free lynch is to imply that it is in addition to the normal lynch. Freely lynch, on the other hand, refers to a lynch without restriction on who can be lynched. You're welcome.
Why should I care about how you feel? To date, all I've seen from you is wild, groundless assertions and conspiracy theories designed to make people not in agreement with you scum, to go out of your way to disagree with them on just about everything even when you agree that the consequence of something is bad and should be avoided (somehow you span me saying not to do something as me proposing we end up doing it), to demand proof when you are the one responsible for providing it, to insert your own narrative as fact and place your feelings on a pedestal. Frankly, if you're town despite all of this, you're a complete liability. And honestly, I don't know whether you are town or not. Hence why my plan aims to mitigate false positives.
Nope, it wasn't clear at all. Firstly, "free lynch" and "freely lynch" are two completely different things. Free, in this context, refers to a usage of a game mechanic that is usually restricted to one per cycle, so to say something is a free lynch is to imply that it is in addition to the normal lynch. Freely lynch, on the other hand, refers to a lynch without restriction on who can be lynched. You're welcome.
Why should I care about how you feel? To date, all I've seen from you is wild, groundless assertions and conspiracy theories designed to make people not in agreement with you scum, to go out of your way to disagree with them on just about everything even when you agree that the consequence of something is bad and should be avoided (somehow you span me saying not to do something as me proposing we end up doing it), to demand proof when you are the one responsible for providing it, to insert your own narrative as fact and place your feelings on a pedestal. Frankly, if you're town despite all of this, you're a complete liability. And honestly, I don't know whether you are town or not. Hence why my plan aims to mitigate false positives.
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