Future Events Kidd will kill Big Mom thread

Pantheos

Pantheos

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#81
#81
HA001 said:
Its not about opinions im talking manga facts
neither luffy or zoro sees this fight as the others
or else they wouldnt step in
luffy wouldn't interfere if its zoros fight and vice versa
once again zoro isnt there for luffy hes been after kaido since they stepped foot in onigashima

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oda made a clear distinction with zoro and sanji and jinbe who both said theyd escort luffy to the roof
its clear zoro is there for his own reasons of wanting to fight kaido not just supporting luffy
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It is your interpretation, that’s why I call it opinion, not facts. Your claiming facts is the problem, you can’t accept other opinions obviously. But this is a requirement for a discussion.

Even Zoro states, in your „proves“, „I come WITH you.“ it is not Zoro going to kaido, it is Zoro following Luffy.
 
HA001

HA001

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#82
#82
Pantheos said:
It is your interpretation, that’s why I call it opinion, not facts. Your claiming facts is the problem, you can’t accept other opinions obviously. But this is a requirement for a discussion.

Even Zoro states, in your „proves“, „I come WITH you.“ it is not Zoro going to kaido, it is Zoro following Luffy.
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it is a fact everything i posted above is manga fact that from the beginning of the raid zoro was talking about going to kaido
lmfao because luffy said hes going to kaido thats why he said take me with you talk about desperately reaching
because in the end zoro didnt go with luffy
but he still went to kaido
you need to show me where he told queen im here to support luffy in his fight which we never do to each others fights because we respect each other but im doing it now for some reason

and zoro said the same when luffy went to crocodile
 
Pantheos

Pantheos

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#83
#83
HA001 said:
it is a fact everything i posted above is manga fact that from the beginning of the raid zoro was talking about going to kaido
lmfao because luffy said hes going to kaido thats why he said take me with you talk about desperately reaching
because in the end zoro didnt go with luffy
but he still went to kaido
you need to show me where he told queen im here to support luffy in his fight which we never do to each others fights because we respect each other but im doing it now for some reason

and zoro said the same when luffy went to crocodile
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I need to do nothing. You have your headcanon, which is fine. You just need to accept other point of views.

For example with your picture. Kaido isnt (!) Zoros fight. Kaido is the fight of the 5 SN against 2 Yonko. He is part of it. Zoro will never solo fight Kaido here. So Luffy will never step back here.
All Zoro is doing is for supporting Luffy. Even the fight against Mihawk, he stated that he have to become the WSS to make Luffy Pirateking. It is all about Luffy. Not about Zoro.
 
Luffy bin Dragon

Luffy bin Dragon

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#85
#85
Pantheos said:
I still cant understand that.

I mean, if Kaido is beaten and unconcious, maybe near death, Zoro will be absolutely able to kill Kaido physically. But at best will, i cant imagine Zoro going for it when Luffy refuses to. Zoro knows the character of Luffy and Luffys decisions are the decisions of the crew. So Zoro is taking Luffys decision. Overgoing Luffys decision to not do the killing blow comes close to a betrayal against his captain, something Zoro would never do.
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Why do you think Luffy would be against it he doesnt kill himself but he had no problems with BM assisnation plan
 
Luffy bin Dragon

Luffy bin Dragon

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#87
#87
Pantheos said:
In a recently resurfaced questionnaire from early in the series, a fan asked why Luffy didn't kill his enemies. Oda responded, "The reason Luffy doesn't kill is this: In his era, men live by their beliefs and risk their lives to defend them. Luffy shatters the beliefs of his enemies by defeating them. For them to suffer defeat and to have their beiefs destroyed is as bad as death. Killing their bodies is beside the point. I feel that, as a pirate, Luffy and his enemies care more about victory and defeat than they care about their lives."
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Luffy doesnt kill but he has no problems with others doing it
 
Pantheos

Pantheos

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#88
#88
Luffy bin Dragon said:
Why do you think Luffy would be against it he doesnt kill himself but he had no problems with BM assisnation plan
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Because at the assassination plan it wasnt him or his crew doing it. It would have been Bege. Also it wasnt Luffys general intent to kill her or get her killed. His goal was Sanji.

But if his crew is doing the kill, it is automatically in his name, cause they are his crew. He is the captain and he is responsible for all of their actions. And he knows that and if someone knows that, its zoro.

At least that is my opinion.
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Luffy bin Dragon said:
Luffy doesnt kill but he has no problems with others doing it
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He has if the "others" are his crew and automaticaly doing it in his name.
 
ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

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#89
#89
Pantheos said:
Because at the assassination plan it wasnt him or his crew doing it. It would have been Bege. Also it wasnt Luffys general intent to kill her or get her killed. His goal was Sanji.

But if his crew is doing the kill, it is automatically in his name, cause they are his crew. He is the captain and he is responsible for all of their actions. And he knows that and if someone knows that, its zoro.

At least that is my opinion.
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Why did Zoro try kill the celestial dragon in sabaody if he wont kill then?
 
Pantheos

Pantheos

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#92
#92
ZoroSlaysDragonTuna said:
But people there said they sensed his killing intent There for he tried to kill him, Whether he did or would have is irrelevant, But he did try and kill him. And thats against luffy's wishes.
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He wouldnt have killed. If he had the intent of killing, do you really think bonney could have stop him?
He may had an intent firstly, cause of anger, but he wouldnt go that way completey. Zoro knows damn well that every of his actions is always in the name of Luffy, if he wants it to be or not.
 
ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

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#93
#93
Pantheos said:
He wouldnt have killed. If he had the intent of killing, do you really think bonney could have stop him?
He may had an intent firstly, cause of anger, but he wouldnt go that way completey. Zoro knows damn well that every of his actions is always in the name of Luffy, if he wants it to be or not.
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But people said they sensed his killing intent. Its literally in the manga, He tried to kill him. And he was surprised by bonny because he thought she was a kid. Yes bonny could have stopped him and did, Because Zoro thought she was a kid and not an adult, Therefor stopped attacking because a kid was in the way.

 
Pantheos

Pantheos

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#94
#94
ZoroSlaysDragonTuna said:
But people said they sensed his killing intent. Its literally in the manga, He tried to kill him. And he was surprised by bonny because he thought she was a kid. Yes bonny could have stopped him and did, Because Zoro thought she was a kid and not an adult, Therefor stopped attacking because a kid was in the way.

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Which is exactly matching my explanation. "Fror a second there".
And you see the next words right to that? "He is the first mate"... He is not seen as Zoro the hunter, not as Zoro the killer, is there seen as first mate of Luffy. Zoro knows that damn well and he demoted himself to exact that. I stick to it, he wouldnt have killed him at the end.

But again, thats just my opinion.
 
ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

ZoroSlaysDragonTuna

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#97
#97
Pantheos said:
Which is exactly matching my explanation. "Fror a second there".
And you see the next words right to that? "He is the first mate"... He is not seen as Zoro the hunter, not as Zoro the killer, is there seen as first mate of Luffy. Zoro knows that damn well and he demoted himself to exact that. I stick to it, he wouldnt have killed him at the end.

But again, thats just my opinion.
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okay man i respect your opinion we can agree to disagree i guess
 
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