Future Events Kidd will kill Big Mom thread

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#61
Why the fuck would Luffy refuse to kill Kaidou. He was about to fucking poison a mentally unstable woman to death. But nooooo beheading Kaidou? Too much.
In a recently resurfaced questionnaire from early in the series, a fan asked why Luffy didn't kill his enemies. Oda responded, "The reason Luffy doesn't kill is this: In his era, men live by their beliefs and risk their lives to defend them. Luffy shatters the beliefs of his enemies by defeating them. For them to suffer defeat and to have their beiefs destroyed is as bad as death. Killing their bodies is beside the point. I feel that, as a pirate, Luffy and his enemies care more about victory and defeat than they care about their lives."
 
#63
In a recently resurfaced questionnaire from early in the series, a fan asked why Luffy didn't kill his enemies. Oda responded, "The reason Luffy doesn't kill is this: In his era, men live by their beliefs and risk their lives to defend them. Luffy shatters the beliefs of his enemies by defeating them. For them to suffer defeat and to have their beiefs destroyed is as bad as death. Killing their bodies is beside the point. I feel that, as a pirate, Luffy and his enemies care more about victory and defeat than they care about their lives."
Luffy doesn't kill =/ Luffy stops people from killing.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#65
In a recently resurfaced questionnaire from early in the series, a fan asked why Luffy didn't kill his enemies. Oda responded, "The reason Luffy doesn't kill is this: In his era, men live by their beliefs and risk their lives to defend them. Luffy shatters the beliefs of his enemies by defeating them. For them to suffer defeat and to have their beiefs destroyed is as bad as death. Killing their bodies is beside the point. I feel that, as a pirate, Luffy and his enemies care more about victory and defeat than they care about their lives."
Thats luffy not zoro.
And beating kaido means nothing. Hes lost before. 7 times.
Hes been captured before 18 times. Its been hammered home this doesnt work.
 
#66
Luffys decision -> Decision for the crew. If not otherwise ordered by Luffy, they follow his path. Overgoing his decision is kinda like betrayal.
Luffy won't decide if Kaidou is allowed to live or die. He just won't do by himself. In no way will he stop the people from Wano for example to exact their vengence on Kaidou. Luffy is not fucking Batman, even back in Alasbasta, he understood this: In war, people dies.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#67
Luffy won't decide if Kaidou is allowed to live or die. He just won't do by himself. In no way will he stop the people from Wano for example to exact their vengence on Kaidou. Luffy is not fucking Batman, even back in Alasbasta, he understood this: In war, people dies.
Did you forget where luffy stopped kaido killing orochi Lmfao
 

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#68
Thats luffy not zoro.
And beating kaido means nothing. Hes lost before. 7 times.
Hes been captured before 18 times. Its been hammered home this doesnt work.
I kinda repeat myself in this thread every 3 postings. This time, take a look at my response right after your posting.

About just beating him, thats kinda true. But like oda said, it is about crushing their dreams and their identity here. If they take away his title and his main island, that will be the important damage.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#69
I kinda repeat myself in this thread every 3 postings. This time, take a look at my response right after your posting.

About just beating him, thats kinda true. But like oda said, it is about crushing their dreams and their identity here. If they take away his title and his main island, that will be the important damage.
There is no crushing his dream. His dream is to die why would this loss and being left alive be anyworse than the previous 7 ?
The scabbards plan wasnt to beat kaido and orochi it was to kill both of them.
 

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#70
Luffy won't decide if Kaidou is allowed to live or die. He just won't do by himself. In no way will he stop the people from Wano for example to exact their vengence on Kaidou. Luffy is not fucking Batman, even back in Alasbasta, he understood this: In war, people dies.
Going away from Kaido by not finishing him is already a decision. And Luffy is there as part of Luffys crew, he wont fall against that decision. Even if Luffy wouldnt stop him maybe, but zoro well knows that everything he does there is under the flag of Luffy and in the name of Luffy.
While the citizens killing Kaido is nothing of Luffys concern. They were allies, but nothing more. If Kid kills Kaido, he may dont care, if Law does it, he may dont care too, if the Scabbards do, he wont be involved, but Zoro is his crew and he is responsible for every of their action.
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There is no crushing his dream. His dream is to die why would this loss and being left alive be anyworse than the previous 7 ?
The scabbards plan wasnt to beat kaido and orochi it was to kill both of them.
The Scabbards plan was it, not Luffys. Did Luffy ever mention to kill Kaido? So Odas exact wording is less important for your opinion then the plan of the scabbards?
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#71
Going away from Kaido by not finishing him is already a decision. And Luffy is there as part of Luffys crew, he wont fall against that decision. Even if Luffy wouldnt stop him maybe, but zoro well knows that everything he does there is under the flag of Luffy and in the name of Luffy.
While the citizens killing Kaido is nothing of Luffys concern. They were allies, but nothing more. If Kid kills Kaido, he may dont care, if Law does it, he may dont care too, if the Scabbards do, he wont be involved, but Zoro is his crew and he is responsible for every of their action.
You reading a different story.
If zoro wants to kill kaido luffy aint doing shit to stop him.
 
#75
I kinda repeat myself in this thread every 3 postings. This time, take a look at my response right after your posting.

About just beating him, thats kinda true. But like oda said, it is about crushing their dreams and their identity here. If they take away his title and his main island, that will be the important damage.
The only right answer that Luffy wont stop Zoro from killings kaido if Zoro felt like he has to. How Oda will do it its on him to make it make sense. Other than that yeah if it was any "normal" circumstances luffy wouldnt let Zoro kill him. But i doubt its going to be "normal". Either way like i said its not impossible either way. The other thing i just remember is that Zoro even thought didnt kill but tried to kill. There is only the thing with the magistere which is debatable if its filler. What i am talking about is this:


So in theory Doesnt mind killing, Only doesnt try killing most times because he respects his captain.
 

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#76
Zoro isnt killing anyone in luffys name.
Hes there for his own reasons like he told queen.
Luffy wont stop zoro either
No, Zoro is their as part of Luffys crew. Like Killer as their as Kids first mate / Vice captain. While following his own path, he is part of Luffys crew in the first place and he demoted his whole life to it. If it is necessary to let down his dream of becoming WSS for Luffy, he will do it. Luffys Goal is the main focus of them and Luffy as captain is their purpose there.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#77
No, Zoro is their as part of Luffys crew. Like Killer as their as Kids first mate / Vice captain. While following his own path, he is part of Luffys crew in the first place and he demoted his whole life to it. If it is necessary to let down his dream of becoming WSS for Luffy, he will do it. Luffys Goal is the main focus of them and Luffy as captain is their purpose there.
No hes not
hes there for kaido because thats what HE wants
he since the raid started wanted kaido
HE told luffy to take him to kaido unlike sanji and jinbe who said they would escort luffy to kaido
he told queen hes here for kaido
 

Pantheos

Heavy Metal
#78
No hes not
hes there for kaido because thats what HE wants
he since the raid started wanted kaido
HE told luffy to take him to kaido unlike sanji and jinbe who said they would escort luffy to kaido
he told queen hes here for kaido
Than we seem to have different point of views here. I can live with that. But in my opinion, Zoro is there for Luffys way to get pirate king at the first place. Everything else is secondary. But thats my opinion, you can have a different here.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
#80
Than we seem to have different point of views here. I can live with that. But in my opinion, Zoro is there for Luffys way to get pirate king at the first place. Everything else is secondary. But thats my opinion, you can have a different here.
Its not about opinions im talking manga facts
neither luffy or zoro sees this fight as the others
or else they wouldnt step in
luffy wouldn't interfere if its zoros fight and vice versa
once again zoro isnt there for luffy hes been after kaido since they stepped foot in onigashima

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oda made a clear distinction with zoro and sanji and jinbe who both said theyd escort luffy to the roof
its clear zoro is there for his own reasons of wanting to fight kaido not just supporting luffy
 
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