General & Others TOP 5 underrated and overrated characters

#21
Nah Sanji good fam, but Zoro and Mihawk are overrated cancer and you guys prove that on this site. Luffy also in good balance as well. That goes for Shanks and Sabo too.

Rayleigh maybe overrated on how strong he was at Prime though as many think he could beat WB or Yonkos easily especially at his old age. That's too much there.
What do you mean by "you guys" ??

Also Zoro's fandom hasn't been as bad as you make it seem, alot of stuff have come to fruition when people have said it's pure wanking. (e.g. Zoro using haki in Alabasta) a good amount of Zoro fans speculated it was haki years ago but users said it was wanking and as you say they are cancer, but Oda years later confirm it to be as they said.

Zoro is on the list of underrated and overrated there are always both sides people who put Zoro on the top of the totem pole even now saying he's beaten Mihawk and is currently the WSS (way too over-hype)

and downplayers who say he lost to Kamazou ignoring context and manga evidence espically when users ignore what he's taken in the past just to fit their narrative.
 
#22
What do you mean by "you guys" ??

Also Zoro's fandom hasn't been as bad as you make it seem, alot of stuff have come to fruition when people have said it's pure wanking. (e.g. Zoro using haki in Alabasta) a good amount of Zoro fans speculated it was haki years ago but users said it was wanking and as you say they are cancer, but Oda years later confirm it to be as they said.

Zoro is on the list of underrated and overrated there are always both sides people who put Zoro on the top of the totem pole even now saying he's beaten Mihawk and is currently the WSS (way too over-hype)

and downplayers who say he lost to Kamazou ignoring context and manga evidence espically when users ignore what he's taken in the past just to fit their narrative.
You guys show it on many threads saying Zoro can low diffed Kidd and Law, easily beat Luffy and Sanji, and think he surpassed even Roger who has a sword by that statement alone. You guys prove to be overrated with him too much. Whether you or your side on Zoro's case. You made him overrated as same with Mihawk who has nothing to push he can beat the Yonkos and Admirals and very above them.

That's not Haki. If it was, why didn't it work on Enel in fighting him?

I wouldn't call Zoro underrated for his loses, but if you dare say he is above many others after his bad 4 fights in a row and Enma proves he was at his limit, your clearly biased and ignoring context to think Zoro is still all around above before and after. Just honest truth.
 
#23
You guys show it on many threads saying Zoro can low diffed Kidd and Law, easily beat Luffy and Sanji, and think he surpassed even Roger who has a sword by that statement alone. You guys prove to be overrated with him too much. Whether you or your side on Zoro's case. You made him overrated as same with Mihawk who has nothing to push he can beat the Yonkos and Admirals and very above them.

That's not Haki. If it was, why didn't it work on Enel in fighting him?

I wouldn't call Zoro underrated for his loses, but if you dare say he is above many others after his bad 4 fights in a row and Enma proves he was at his limit, your clearly biased and ignoring context to think Zoro is still all around above before and after. Just honest truth.
You're a perfect example of someone who underrates him.

You can come to a conclusion from what Zoro has shown I'm not going to debate you on versus matches(since either way it is conjecture) but I will tackle you on the cases that are facts.

Zoro in Alabasta was capable of sensing where the rocks/boulders where going to land before they did, he even states he knows where his sword is (CoO), Zoro is capable of brushing his sword against a tree without cutting it, then he is able to slice a boulder with no effort (he applied haki to his sword to make it not cut the tree, then applied haki that way his sword went through the boulder like butter)

Zoro reminiscences the past and verbatim Koshiro says the same-thing Hyogoro does, thus we can conclude it is haki.

Zoro does not know it's haki pre-ts why would he apply a steel-cutting technique (which he knows it as) to a Logia ???
 
M

MD Zolo

#26
A suggestion: This is a good thread to see how we view OP characters but it's gonna bring a lot of debate very soon. So I suggest that a user is allowed to post only once to this thread in a lifetime (or at least within a year) and he/she just leaves his/her Top 5/10 as he/she wishes without replying to anybody else or making any other comments. If he/she wants to edit the list, he/she will be able to but without creating new post.

@Gol D. Roger, @Garp the Fist or any other mod.
 
#29
You're a perfect example of someone who underrates him.

You can come to a conclusion from what Zoro has shown I'm not going to debate you on versus matches(since either way it is conjecture) but I will tackle you on the cases that are facts.

Zoro in Alabasta was capable of sensing where the rocks/boulders where going to land before they did, he even states he knows where his sword is (CoO), Zoro is capable of brushing his sword against a tree without cutting it, then he is able to slice a boulder with no effort (he applied haki to his sword to make it not cut the tree, then applied haki that way his sword went through the boulder like butter)

Zoro reminiscences the past and verbatim Koshiro says the same-thing Hyogoro does, thus we can conclude it is haki.

Zoro does not know it's haki pre-ts why would he apply a steel-cutting technique (which he knows it as) to a Logia ???
Your the perfect example of someone who push him over the top.

Again, why not use this on Enel as would think it would work twice on Enel especially by surprise since he think no one has 'Mantra' to hurt him. Zoro cut right at him few times and it all went through. If he had Haki before, it is inconsistent with scene with Enel who easily did away from him unscathed by his blades.

Don't think it's one and the same as think it's more skill technique than actual Haki as again it be inconsistent as I said about with Enel case and Oda isn't one to mess up with something in the past with the future that much as he is an great planner.

Cause your fighting for your life? Why should he not try it and not go all out if there was a way for him to do the same about it.

Again it's inconsistent and Oda wouldn't make mistakes like that if it was Haki cause it effects other opponents in the past he had trouble with too.
 
K

Kusanagi Kyo

#31
UNDERRATED

Hancock

Enel

Linlin

Smoothie

OVERRATED

Zoro (He is not equal or near Luffy , Zoro is weaker)

Sanji (Sanji is not stronger or equal Zoro, Sanji is weaker)

Sakazuki (he is not stronger than Garp)

Mihawk (I like Mihawk but he is not Yonko level).
 
#34
OVERRATED:

1. Zoro (He is no 'GrandMaster', he has flaws like everyone else. Stop pushing him as an Gary-Sue which is just as bad).

2. Mihawk (I respect Mihawk and what he can do, but he honestly below Yonkos and Admirals. He won't beat them if your having trouble with YCs stopping you easily).

3. Pica (It's an body made of stone, not Diamonds. He can be easily find and break through to find him. Stop saying he can even deal with Yonkos and YCs easily as hell no he can't).

4. Rayleigh (I enjoy Rayleigh, but he wasn't that deeply up to the point he could beat WB or Yonkos in his Prime especially his age right now as well).

5. Jimbei (Got no feats whatsoever in post-timeskip to push him that above even Monster Trio. BM Feat don't count since she was slimmer and still wasn't hurt by his attack. You can't count that at all. Plus he kinda more at or past his prime since given his age and timeline, don't think he be THAT (Emphasizing) strong in crew hierarchy, but he still be a strong member).

UNDERRATED:

1. Smoker (IT'S TIME TO STOP (MEME) on the Smoker's downplay as I understand what happen to him in Punk Hazard hurt where to put him, but he still one of the top fighters in the series and from Oda, he looking to be the 'Garp' to Luffy's 'Roger' as both have very similar relationship like them in being 'frenemies'. Plus Stampede movie while non-canon on events, for Oda to push him as one of the top fighters to help Luffy defeat Bullet shows that Oda still sees him as a major threat in NW as much as the others. Doubt we seen last of Smoker and he be much stronger next time along being Top 5 strongest at EOS overall to be one of the few who can match Luffy).

2. Bonney (I get she hasn't done anything in 'besting' someone much on-screen, but feel Bonney is looked down a bit than needed as she still an force to be wreckon with especially she is apart of the WG for a reason. From what we got and seen so far, she is capable of stealing and probably beating members of Yonko Crew (BM's) to take their ship as her own and is able to get into Mariejois easily. She also able to get survived bouts with BB and Akainu and still lived to live the tail as well. I feel Oda is working something big for her given her 'mystery' and we will find about it much later).

3. Moria (I feel like Moria despite how he been shown, is actually much tougher and survivor than we think as who do you know would go in an big fight with Kaido and again come in to fight BB just for their crew who are both Yonkos. While he didn't win in bouts, he does have balls and can take much more than people credit him for. Just more so he gotten a bit 'lazy' on his fighting style on why he been having issues, but feel once he get more active as he is doing, he be a threat in his prime as he should be. We can't doubt the reason he become WG due to his power after all.

There more to him than meets the eye as we see him again as well able to clashed and escape with Doffy who couldn't finished the job despite being order to 'eliminate' him.).

4. Ivankov (While I don't think it's that much, I feel there are a few/some who doubt Ivankov on how strong he is. He is an very top member in Ivankov who is very close to Dragon to the point he knows he has a family and strong enough that even Kuma feared him (Might still in his human conscious somewhere despite the change) too. He is strongest of the commanders and possible Third-In-Command to RA since next HQ after BB's took their main base was on Ivankov's island. We also can't denied him able to combat Kuma who could easily take many people with his abilities (Strawhats included; Twice) yet Kuma couldn't to him and he was sent in the lowest and secret lvl of Impel Down with major bad figures in there.

He shouldn't be underestimate than we think as well his influence too like getting people like Crocodile to do his bidding by 'tiny' blackmail and fight off Magellan who he did lost too, but was able to damage him enough to make him bleed).

5. Smoothie (I know we heard other saying 'Smoothie is THICC and 'UsELeSs' given her portrayal in WCI, but again think some still underestimate her over that when for starters, they say why she was 'running away' when BM was anger? It's BM with powers to take your soul away. Why you all think Smoothie can do something to beat her or even delay her? Stop BSing about that. She shows her worth in able to subdue Reiju easily along causing trouble for Strawhats at Sea which many comment about her abilities not just that scene, but others on her for being an Sweet Commander.

Also others feel like she should have done something to King when he attack the ship, but honestly how do you protect yourself on an moving ship going upward and enemy who flies come and send flames to attack from high in the sky. It wasn't good environment for her to try to do something especially her powers make her increase in size. You think it's smart to grow huge on an unsteady balance at an waterfall to try to attack someone? Use your brains than saying 'She is UsELeSS' when the issue isn't because she is weak or anything. Oda even in SBS vouch on her being very strong fighter, but just certain circumstances to prevent that.

There not much she can do on situation and being an YC doesn't mean you can do anything face with an problem as your not always perfect as shown with Katakuri who couldn't stop some events happening despite him having FS. She is an SC/YC for reason and Oda got plans to show her like he said for later which be in Wano arc as they go into an huge war. Doubt that's all she has to offer in the end).
 
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#36
UNDERRATED

Hancock

Enel

Linlin

Smoothie

OVERRATED

Zoro (He is not equal or near Luffy , Zoro is weaker)

Sanji (Sanji is not stronger or equal Zoro, Sanji is weaker)

Sakazuki (he is not stronger than Garp)

Mihawk (I like Mihawk but he is not Yonko level).
We need to be realistic.
Then remove Sanji on Overrated as only Zoro is overrated one as you and your fanbase show as you force Zoro as the strongest and put him even likes of Luffy. He is same lvl as Sanji as shown in recent chapters. This isn't Naruto where it's Naruto and Sasuke and he isn't the 'Sasuke', but rather more under than that as Luffy's Sasuke looks to be Kidd or Law or both.
 
K

Kusanagi Kyo

#37
Then remove Sanji on Overrated as only Zoro is overrated one as you and your fanbase show as you force Zoro as the strongest and put him even likes of Luffy. He is same lvl as Sanji as shown in recent chapters. This isn't Naruto where it's Naruto and Sasuke and he isn't the 'Sasuke', but rather more under than that as Luffy's Sasuke looks to be Kidd or Law or both.
Shut the fuck up, don't put things in my mouth that I never said.
Be a man and quote just ONE of my comments in this entire forum that I said Zoro is as strong as Luffy. I never said that, I'm not a retarded.

Zoro IS NOT stronger than Luffy or at the same level as Luffy and Sanji IS NOT stronger than Zoro or at the same level as Zoro. Recent chapters have only shown that Zoro has a destructive power that Sanji doesn't have. FACT
 
#38
Shut the fuck up, don't put things in my mouth that I never said.
Be a man and quote just ONE of my comments in this entire forum that I said Zoro is as strong as Luffy. I never said that, I'm not a retarded.

Zoro IS NOT stronger than Luffy or at the same level as Luffy and Sanji IS NOT stronger than Zoro or at the same level as Zoro. Recent chapters have only shown that Zoro has a destructive power that Sanji doesn't have. FACT
Whether you said it or not. You can't denied your fanbase think Zoro could beat Luffy with or without G4 easily and try to excuse Zoro was stronger than him post-timeskip when he never was at all.

Only saw Sanji dodging point-blank range if Enma and striking him into a fight. If he can do that at Base without trying. Sanji serious would be extreme fight between the two either way. Oda still put their rivalry and equal status one and the same each time.
 
K

Kusanagi Kyo

#39
Whether you said it or not. You can't denied your fanbase think Zoro could beat Luffy with or without G4 easily and try to excuse Zoro was stronger than him post-timeskip when he never was at all.

Only saw Sanji dodging point-blank range if Enma and striking him into a fight. If he can do that at Base without trying. Sanji serious would be extreme fight between the two either way. Oda still put their rivalry and equal status one and the same each time.
"Whether you said it or not. You can't denied your fanbase think Zoro could beat Luffy with or without G4 easily and try to excuse Zoro was stronger than him post-timeskip when he never was at all."

This is bullshit and I don't agree with this. I have nothing to do with this and I'm not responsible for the fan base, I'm responsible for what I say, not for what people say.


"Only saw Sanji dodging point-blank range if Enma and striking him into a fight. If he can do that at Base without trying. Sanji serious would be extreme fight between the two either way. Oda still put their rivalry and equal status one and the same each time."

You saw Sanji dodging only in your headcanon, it didn't happen. PLUS, to assume that you also have to assume Zoro intended to kill Sanji, and this is NOT THE CASE, Zoro wouldn't kill Sanji, it's ridiculous to assume something like this and trying to use this situation as a feat is even more than ridiculous.

:lawsigh:
 
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