Anime & Manga Katakuri vs King and Queen
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Boundman and Snakeman aren't quite as fast as Marco though; It's not reasonable to say Kuri replicates these feats just because Marco did it when we know for a fact that Marco can operate at a level much higher than Katakuri or G4's pay grade as far as it concerns speed and damage taking capabilities.
Zoro danced around Kuma's pad canons too. But I doubt anyone would agree if I say he was faster than Luffy or even Sanji back in the day. Katakuri kept up with Snakeman at cost of losing pretty much everything else. He was also hit more times than the other way around. Let's not act as though he can operate at such speeds while casually spamming awakening. It's probably an unpopular opinion but I have no memory of Luffy using FS when he was in Snakeman. Katakuri without FS was slower than Boundman so I doubt he'd magically be able to match FS+Snakeman which is much faster but that's a topic for another day.
King effectively capitalized on every opportunity he's given to deal damage to Marco but he wasn't as effective as he's supposed to be because Marco can't be stopped just by inflicting damage. Not even Kizaru, the literal fastest guy in the verse, can escape from getting hit by Marco. Oda highlighted Marco's speed pretty well in this fight also if you observe it. This chapter does not make King look slow or predictable in any way.
He's the prime reason behind Marco getting exhausted when his brief clashes with the admirals and Garp didn't come close to making him exhausted in a 3-hour long war. Queen may lack mobility but that doesn't mean his attacks are slow. Even if they're slow, they have AOE against which shapeshifting doesn't help much.
You can pressure and make things hard for FS users with numbers. There was an instance atop the whole cake chateau where Katakuri couldn't evade Jinbe's attack, even after seeing it coming with FS, while he was busy attacking Luffy. Kuri needed so much focus for base Luffy that he couldn't detect Flampe's attacks on Luffy. So numbers do work against Katakuri provided you're capable enough. King and Queen may be slower than Snakeman Luffy but they gain more of an advantage from numbers and versatility in their attack patterns than anything Luffy alone can do with speed.
Zoro danced around Kuma's pad canons too. But I doubt anyone would agree if I say he was faster than Luffy or even Sanji back in the day. Katakuri kept up with Snakeman at cost of losing pretty much everything else. He was also hit more times than the other way around. Let's not act as though he can operate at such speeds while casually spamming awakening. It's probably an unpopular opinion but I have no memory of Luffy using FS when he was in Snakeman. Katakuri without FS was slower than Boundman so I doubt he'd magically be able to match FS+Snakeman which is much faster but that's a topic for another day.
King effectively capitalized on every opportunity he's given to deal damage to Marco but he wasn't as effective as he's supposed to be because Marco can't be stopped just by inflicting damage. Not even Kizaru, the literal fastest guy in the verse, can escape from getting hit by Marco. Oda highlighted Marco's speed pretty well in this fight also if you observe it. This chapter does not make King look slow or predictable in any way.
He's the prime reason behind Marco getting exhausted when his brief clashes with the admirals and Garp didn't come close to making him exhausted in a 3-hour long war. Queen may lack mobility but that doesn't mean his attacks are slow. Even if they're slow, they have AOE against which shapeshifting doesn't help much.
You can pressure and make things hard for FS users with numbers. There was an instance atop the whole cake chateau where Katakuri couldn't evade Jinbe's attack, even after seeing it coming with FS, while he was busy attacking Luffy. Kuri needed so much focus for base Luffy that he couldn't detect Flampe's attacks on Luffy. So numbers do work against Katakuri provided you're capable enough. King and Queen may be slower than Snakeman Luffy but they gain more of an advantage from numbers and versatility in their attack patterns than anything Luffy alone can do with speed.
I'm not giving him anything he hasn't shown. Literally nothing. You've yet to counter a single point.
from what we saw last chapter.
-Katakuri isn't getting touched in FS
-Katakuri has the range, strength and attack speed to dominate G4 boundman with awakening.
The only thing you can tell me is Marco hits harder. And that it would take Katakuri more attacks to achieve the same results.
from what we saw last chapter.
-Katakuri isn't getting touched in FS
-Katakuri has the range, strength and attack speed to dominate G4 boundman with awakening.
The only thing you can tell me is Marco hits harder. And that it would take Katakuri more attacks to achieve the same results.
Yes you are, You giving him taking on two people on that level and beating the shit out if them. He could barely beat Luffy up in snakeman when he was on his level. Why the hell should i expect him to take on two billion berry man.
Also Marco a Big vetern of the new World mentions Billion berry man and so did Jenbei when Luffy was going to fight him. So beating them is a feat in itself. I am not giving him things he hasn't proven he capable of doing.
Also Marco a Big vetern of the new World mentions Billion berry man and so did Jenbei when Luffy was going to fight him. So beating them is a feat in itself. I am not giving him things he hasn't proven he capable of doing.
Bro Kuri looks impressive because he fought someone who was barely YC3 level(Luffy only won vs Cracker because of help and plot).
I don’t think he can be as good as Marco fighting both King and Queen who aren’t as weak as WCI Luffy and who both got way more bounty than him lol (Not like bounty means strenght, I know Katakuri prolly bodies Queen in a 1v1 but still, they’re no joke)
I don’t think he can be as good as Marco fighting both King and Queen who aren’t as weak as WCI Luffy and who both got way more bounty than him lol (Not like bounty means strenght, I know Katakuri prolly bodies Queen in a 1v1 but still, they’re no joke)
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Jinbei used hot tea...which counters mochi ...that's why he never dodged and in fact he already saw Jinbei analysing his fruit and so
"Snakeman isn't fast as zmarco" no it is up to Marco to prove he has snakeman speed
Snakeman Was tagging a fs user...Marco did what? Blizt dudes who lacks FS and vaesagw average CO? Poor reaction speed?
The burden of proof is on you.
Boundman >Marco in attack speed and power
And No, Marco doesn't hit hard as Katakuri since Katakuri's G3>>>G3~ Marco!
Marco didn't fight 3hrs in the war, he was cuffed for the most parts. And since when was that battle.
Blizting fs User > blitzing King or whatever
Snakeman >>> Marco in speed!
Kizaru too doesn't have FS, you can tag or blitzing kizaru since his reaction speed was never the best either.
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Do you know what barely means?
It is the other way around , luffy is the one who barely kept up with base katakuri.
And katakuri never threw awakening or mogura because of Snakeman, he threw it aside coz he wanted a brawl...
Prove that King or Queen can hurt katakuri owing what they've shown so far
Prove that Marco can even land a hit too.
Being fast as boundman doesn't make you gast enough to touch katakuru.
Goodluck to King or Queen landing and weakening Kata with bullets or beams.
Kata focuses on everyone if he fights a group if it is 1v1, he doesn't need to focus on others
"Snakeman isn't fast as zmarco" no it is up to Marco to prove he has snakeman speed
Snakeman Was tagging a fs user...Marco did what? Blizt dudes who lacks FS and vaesagw average CO? Poor reaction speed?
The burden of proof is on you.
Boundman >Marco in attack speed and power
And No, Marco doesn't hit hard as Katakuri since Katakuri's G3>>>G3~ Marco!
Marco didn't fight 3hrs in the war, he was cuffed for the most parts. And since when was that battle.
Blizting fs User > blitzing King or whatever
Snakeman >>> Marco in speed!
Kizaru too doesn't have FS, you can tag or blitzing kizaru since his reaction speed was never the best either.
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Do you know what barely means?
It is the other way around , luffy is the one who barely kept up with base katakuri.
And katakuri never threw awakening or mogura because of Snakeman, he threw it aside coz he wanted a brawl...
Prove that King or Queen can hurt katakuri owing what they've shown so far
Prove that Marco can even land a hit too.
Being fast as boundman doesn't make you gast enough to touch katakuru.
Goodluck to King or Queen landing and weakening Kata with bullets or beams.
Kata focuses on everyone if he fights a group if it is 1v1, he doesn't need to focus on others
Based on? King and Queen have no speed feats either; with Queen being a fat bulky guy, blitzing him isn't difficult. Yes, he kicked Kizaru away, but that's not a speed feat either, since Kizaru was just staying at one point midair until Marco reached him.
And Katakuri isn't slower than boundman, he could only be hit when his CoO did not work at all (not only FS). Remember how Luffy wasn't able to fully dodge Thunder Bagua despite FS, because he wasn't fast enough. Yet Katakuri blocked attacks from Snakeman, traded blows and straight out danced around a gatling from Snakeman. So he is indeed so fast. And that was a FS enhanced Snakeman.
And Katakuri isn't slower than boundman, he could only be hit when his CoO did not work at all (not only FS). Remember how Luffy wasn't able to fully dodge Thunder Bagua despite FS, because he wasn't fast enough. Yet Katakuri blocked attacks from Snakeman, traded blows and straight out danced around a gatling from Snakeman. So he is indeed so fast. And that was a FS enhanced Snakeman.
Marco was nowhere near WB when Kizaru initiated yasaka no magatama, he intervened and stopped it before it can reach WB. He casually reacted to light speed. That's faster than anything Snakeman or Boundman has ever done. Even in the recent chapter, he was moving at mad speeds.
Boundman absolutely ragdolled Katakuri without FS. Characters don't lose observation as a whole just for wigging out for a bit but I am not gonna argue against direct manga panels. Whether it was only FS that Katakuri was lacking or observation Haki, in general, doesn't make a difference. Boundman was faster than Katakuri period. You need not be as fast as your opponent when you can react to them in advance. Kaido was simply faster than Luffy can react even with FS. Katakuri with FS is barely fast enough to react to Snakeman and he had to discard most of his arsenal to pull it off akin to Zoro against Kuma's Pad canons. Even then he was hit more times than the other way around. So Snakeman level speed isn't something he can casually incorporate with his fighting style. Luffy wasn't using FS in Snakeman btw.
Boundman absolutely ragdolled Katakuri without FS. Characters don't lose observation as a whole just for wigging out for a bit but I am not gonna argue against direct manga panels. Whether it was only FS that Katakuri was lacking or observation Haki, in general, doesn't make a difference. Boundman was faster than Katakuri period. You need not be as fast as your opponent when you can react to them in advance. Kaido was simply faster than Luffy can react even with FS. Katakuri with FS is barely fast enough to react to Snakeman and he had to discard most of his arsenal to pull it off akin to Zoro against Kuma's Pad canons. Even then he was hit more times than the other way around. So Snakeman level speed isn't something he can casually incorporate with his fighting style. Luffy wasn't using FS in Snakeman btw.
Marco was standing behind Whitebeard on the ship, along with Jozu and the rest:
Not like he left the ship to chill on the other side of Marineford so you can claim he was fast.
Zoro pre TS dodged Kuma's laser at close range. And yes, that laser was light speed as well, since there is no "slower" light. Not to mention it's a replica of Kizaru's laser. Luffy freshly out of the TS also dodged a laser, calling it slow.
As I once said, the speed of the lasers is inconsistent and nowhere near real light speed. Light would circle the entire world 7 times within one second. Yet, Whitebeard was able to phrase words after Kizaru shot the laser and finished doing so before the laser reached Whitebeard. That means, factually, these lasers traveled for like 50 meters in that one second and not 300.000 kilometers.
Yes, they do lose their CoO as a whole. FS is nothing else but CoO at a high level.
Not like he left the ship to chill on the other side of Marineford so you can claim he was fast.
Zoro pre TS dodged Kuma's laser at close range. And yes, that laser was light speed as well, since there is no "slower" light. Not to mention it's a replica of Kizaru's laser. Luffy freshly out of the TS also dodged a laser, calling it slow.
As I once said, the speed of the lasers is inconsistent and nowhere near real light speed. Light would circle the entire world 7 times within one second. Yet, Whitebeard was able to phrase words after Kizaru shot the laser and finished doing so before the laser reached Whitebeard. That means, factually, these lasers traveled for like 50 meters in that one second and not 300.000 kilometers.
Yes, they do lose their CoO as a whole. FS is nothing else but CoO at a high level.
Marco was standing behind Whitebeard on the ship, along with Jozu and the rest:
Not like he left the ship to chill on the other side of Marineford so you can claim he was fast.
Not like he left the ship to chill on the other side of Marineford so you can claim he was fast.
Obviously, not all laser users are quick as Kizaru. Kaido is not even hyped for his speed yet he has a level of speed that can bypass FS. Kizaru is a top-tier whose entire arsenal revolves around speed. If he's not the fastest character with the fastest attack speeds then who else is? This is fiction comrade-san, the author can make characters say things b/w attacks, it doesn't make attacks slow.
Yes, they do lose their CoO as a whole. FS is nothing else but CoO at a high level.
He doesn't have to travel across MF to block Kizaru for us to say he reacted to him. Commanders already started their assault by the time Kizaru attacked WB. We've seen Jozu, who was standing right next to Marco, leave the ship and block Mihawk before him.
Even if Marco remained at the same place, he still had to travel a few meters to block an attack which already almost hit WB.
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Obviously they are. There was made no distinction. Light is light.
Obviously. That's why we can't argue with real light speed, which travels 7 times across the globe in 1 second. When factually, Kizaru's laser isn't nearly as fast, given Whitebeard can phrase words while the laser is flying towards him. Inb4 Whitebeard was talking twice the speed of light.