The thing is they still mention that they’re the underdogs. However, if Hawkins joins they’ll no longer be that because Hawkins never joins the underdogs
Them mentioning it means squat, and last time i checked you had Hyogoro saying it doesnt feel like we're gonna lose. Either this is gonna swing into the other way hardcoree and have the Beast pirates secure a temporary victory or this arc has no stakes. I do get what you mean with Hawkins though, but at this point it doesnt matter.
That’s just a fan theory thats caught on. However, it’s not confirmed.
Why would there have been two witnesses then, one being a giant who went all white of fear and ran away never to come back again, telling the giants the story and have BM's name even more reviled if all that happened was that CP-0 took the children?
Also why would CP-0 come, take the children and then leave only to come back again and take BM?
What about Carmel's fruit passing down to BM?