General & Others Is Zoro the vice-captain or close? Is he Lufy's right-hand man?

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Garp the Fist

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People go far too heavily into trying to find parallels for characters in my view. I blame Naruto.

Zoro and Rayleigh are the sword wielding right hand men of the Pirate King. To that extent, yes, I suppose there is a parallel. But there's been no indication in the story that we've to see Zoro as the second coming of Rayleigh, certainly not the way that Luffy is clearly the second coming of Roger. Nobody's inherited Ray's will that we know of. If anything I'd say the existence of Zoro and Rayleigh is actually just another parallel for Luffy and Roger- they had similar, but not too similar, right hand men.

It's like the Luffy/Kid/Law = Roger/Whitebeard/Shiki thing. Never made any sense because the existence of Blackbeard had to be totally ignored. We've also learned that Shiki was not one of the top three pirates of his generation with the Rocks stuff. And Kid and Law had next to nothing in common with Whitebeard and Shiki other than being "opponents" for the Pirate King- and let's be totally honest, Kid and Law are more allies than opponents for Luffy. But people wanted to push parallels, so that's what we got.
 
Monkey D. Luffy

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Garp the Fist said:
It's like the Luffy/Kid/Law = Roger/Whitebeard/Shiki thing. Never made any sense because the existence of Blackbeard had to be totally ignored. We've also learned that Shiki was not one of the top three pirates of his generation with the Rocks stuff. And Kid and Law had next to nothing in common with Whitebeard and Shiki other than being "opponents" for the Pirate King- and let's be totally honest, Kid and Law are more allies than opponents for Luffy. But people wanted to push parallels, so that's what we got.
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That's why I never subscribed to "Law or Kid is the next Whitebeard" theory. Whitebeard stood before Roger on the PK throne. Will one of them stand before Luffy? Doubt it. If anyone is standing before Luffy, it's the evil version of Whitebeard. I don't think Law or Kid are a parallel of anything.
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Erkan12 said:
Lol.

Zoro was a sword licker who was going to die like an idiot because of another idiot called Helmeppo, while Rayleigh was a thief who was living in a small boat and he was in no desperate position like that.

Rayleigh was far more important than Zoro ever was in compared to their first meetings. They basically started together because of Rayleigh's boat while Luffy persuades Zoro to become a pirate by saving Zoro's life. Zoro had no choice but to submit, while Rayleigh was in no desperate position like that.

That's reaching at best.
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So because Rayleigh had a boat and Zoro was tied to a post, the reader isn't supposed to draw similarities to Roger and Luffy forming their pirate crew starting with their right-hand man? Okay.

The point is Rayleigh is vice-captain, Zoro is not. No one ever called Zoro vice-captain in the SH crew, no one. And there is Sanji, who would die before calling Zoro vice-captain. And I am %100 sure no one ever surpassed Rayleigh's bounty in the Roger pirates before other than Roger himself. Sanji surpassed Zoro's bounty. As I said, because Zoro and Sanji share that role together. That's actually sad that some people can't understand that after reading this series for 950 chapters and still believe Zoro can act like vice captain in front of Sanji or anyone else, lmao.
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Again, no one's calling Zoro the vice captain. He's the one who takes the mantle when the time calls for it. Sanji's brotherly love doesn't change it. And the bounty thing, are you sure I'm the one reaching?
 
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Inspector_Mu

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HA001 said:
Both barto and uruoge have recognised zoro as the first mate
Plenty of others have wondered why he isnt the captain.
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Recognizing =/= being officially VC

Zoro is the firstmate but not VC! His a combatant of the crew.

It is like how Marco fans trying to make Marco an official RH of WB while the manga states "many saw him WB right hand " .

The only known VCs are Benn and Rayleigh
 
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Jo_Ndule said:
Recognizing =/= being officially VC

Zoro is the firstmate but not VC! His a combatant of the crew.

It is like how Marco fans trying to make Marco an official RH of WB while the manga states "many saw him WB right hand " .

The only known VCs are Benn and Rayleigh
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Actually oda said barto is like us the people reading the manga so if odas making him say zoros the first mate and with how extensive his knowledge of the crew is.
Again luffys crew is modelled after shanks.
 
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Garp the Fist said:
People go far too heavily into trying to find parallels for characters in my view. I blame Naruto.

Zoro and Rayleigh are the sword wielding right hand men of the Pirate King. To that extent, yes, I suppose there is a parallel. But there's been no indication in the story that we've to see Zoro as the second coming of Rayleigh, certainly not the way that Luffy is clearly the second coming of Roger. Nobody's inherited Ray's will that we know of. If anything I'd say the existence of Zoro and Rayleigh is actually just another parallel for Luffy and Roger- they had similar, but not too similar, right hand men.

It's like the Luffy/Kid/Law = Roger/Whitebeard/Shiki thing. Never made any sense because the existence of Blackbeard had to be totally ignored. We've also learned that Shiki was not one of the top three pirates of his generation with the Rocks stuff. And Kid and Law had next to nothing in common with Whitebeard and Shiki other than being "opponents" for the Pirate King- and let's be totally honest, Kid and Law are more allies than opponents for Luffy. But people wanted to push parallels, so that's what we got.
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Shiki was top 3 of Golden era that's a fact. BM was 4th strongest pirate at this time.

You are talking about Rocks Era where Xebec was ruling . Shiki WB BM kaido were underlings.
Roger was trying hard to overtake him.

Also Zoro isnt Rayleigh coz he does look a bit like Rayleigh but doesnt not fully embody Rayleigh

Teacg is both Xebec and WB of this era
Kidd might be Shiki or even Kaido (not strong as kaido but still) a badass pirate with lots of evil pirates under him , info even states how Kidd wann bee PK of evil pirates. But well that's it.
Law? Dont give a damb about it... he was never meant to be top 3 of WorstGen era.

The only one who inherited A will from the past fighters is Luffy : Shanks/Roger/JoyBoy/Garp ....
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Actually oda said barto is like us the people reading the manga so if odas making him say zoros the first mate and with how extensive his knowledge of the crew is.
Again luffys crew is modelled after shanks.
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Firstmate Yes who doesnt know that
but did any strawjat call Zoro Vice Captain?
Did Luffy himself? Did Oda state it on sbs Databooks Manga novels that Zoro is VC through intro boxes or newspaper?
No
 
Jiihad

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Jo_Ndule said:
You forgot
1. Rayleigh is blond as Sanji
2. Rayleigh is a womanizer as Sanji
3. Rayleigh is smart/advisor as Sanji
4. Also Rayleigh can use his kicks as Sanji.

Rayleigh is a mix of 2. You can't deny this
Also Zoro lacks CoC...

This is why I hardly see EoS Zoro equal to Prime Rayleigh.

Zoro and Sanji both have 4 similarities with Rayleigh.

I forgot Rayleigh can coat ships too ..

Zoro is a fighter! While Rayleigh is VC officially.
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Doodle Bob wtf

So Bonney is Linlin counterpart cause she has pink hair right?

Yea, Ray is a womanizer. Sanji hasn’t been successful wit a female(barring pudding) since Baratie

Rayleigh has thrown one kick in tha entire series, and now it’s a parallel wit Sanji? Why don’t you include that Zoro can kick too, so that’s another parallel wit Ray. Would you look at that....

we can deny this, cause no one wit common sense actually thinks Rayleigh is Sanjis old Gen counterpart. Zoro won’t equal Prime Ray, he’ll surpass him

That’s really all for Zoro equaling Ray tho. He’s tha most like him. But he’s not a carbon copy
 
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Jiihad said:
we can deny this, cause no one wit common sense actually thinks Rayleigh is Sanjis old Gen counterpart. Zoro won’t equal Prime Ray, he’ll surpass him

That’s really all for Zoro equaling Ray tho. He’s tha most like him. But he’s not a carbon copy
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Zoro being Rayleigh's "parallel" boils down to him being the Pirate King's right-hand man. What does Sanji sharing this parallel with Zoro represent? He has blond hair, a beard, and likes girls? It's right up there with Law/Kid being new gen Whitebeard/Shiki. It lacks symbolism.
 
MarineHQ

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Zoro and Rayleigh definitely share more than one parallel!
  • Take the Vice captain position of their crew.
  • Both are swordsman
  • Both love sake
  • Eye scar
  • Oda is giving both "dark" themed techniques. Rayleigh is the "Dark King" and Zoro is using the "Demon spirit"
  • Both got an ominous vibe to them. Don't talk much, and you always get the feeling that you better don't get too close.
The only difference I see is that Rayleigh is a pervert, and more of the intelligent type that thinks before he acts.

Zoro is nearly 60 years younger, lol, give him time to get wiser and we've that cleared as well.
 
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MarineHQ62 said:
Zoro and Rayleigh definitely share more than one parallel!
  • Take the Vice captain position of their crew.
  • Both are swordsman
  • Both love sake
  • Eye scar
  • Oda is giving both "dark" themed techniques. Rayleigh is the "Dark King" and Zoro is using the "Demon spirit"
The only difference I see is that Rayleigh is a pervert, and more of the intelligent type that thinks before he acts.

Zoro is nearly 60 years younger, lol, give him time to get wiser and we've that cleared as well.
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Surely someone as smart as ray could find a way to make money better than being sold and robbing his buyers lol
 
ShadyOjiro

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MarineHQ62 said:
Zoro and Rayleigh definitely share more than one parallel!
  • Take the Vice captain position of their crew.
  • Both are swordsman
  • Both love sake
  • Eye scar
  • Oda is giving both "dark" themed techniques. Rayleigh is the "Dark King" and Zoro is using the "Demon spirit"
  • Both got an ominous vibe to them. Don't talk much, and you always get the feeling that you better don't get too close.
The only difference I see is that Rayleigh is a pervert, and more of the intelligent type that thinks before he acts.

Zoro is nearly 60 years younger, lol, give him time to get wiser and we've that cleared as well.
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Yep

Rayleigh is a matured and experienced pirate Vicecaptain he's clearly wiser than Zoro .

Zoro is growing this aspect each arc and we know yet some peeps want him to be wise as Rayleigh from the get go wew
 
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MarineHQ62 said:
Zoro and Rayleigh definitely share more than one parallel!
  • Take the Vice captain position of their crew.
  • Both are swordsman
  • Both love sake
  • Eye scar
  • Oda is giving both "dark" themed techniques. Rayleigh is the "Dark King" and Zoro is using the "Demon spirit"
  • Both got an ominous vibe to them. Don't talk much, and you always get the feeling that you better don't get too close.
The only difference I see is that Rayleigh is a pervert, and more of the intelligent type that thinks before he acts.

Zoro is nearly 60 years younger, lol, give him time to get wiser and we've that cleared as well.
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MarineHQ62 said:
Zoro and Rayleigh definitely share more than one parallel!
  • Take the Vice captain position of their crew.
  • Both are swordsman
  • Both love sake
  • Eye scar
  • Oda is giving both "dark" themed techniques. Rayleigh is the "Dark King" and Zoro is using the "Demon spirit"
  • Both got an ominous vibe to them. Don't talk much, and you always get the feeling that you better don't get too close.
The only difference I see is that Rayleigh is a pervert, and more of the intelligent type that thinks before he acts.

Zoro is nearly 60 years younger, lol, give him time to get wiser and we've that cleared as well.
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Rayleigh is VC and has CoC
Zoro acts Like... he isnr VC, he is Strawhat fighter

Rayleigh is Dark King... Zoro epiphet isnt
Sanji is Black Leg ... surely Only Rayleigh and Sanji have dark themes...

You guys mention physical traits as scars to say Zoro : Rayleigh but dont wanna accept that Rayleigh is blonde pervert and smart as Sanji

Lol

You people are hilarious
 
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Jo_Ndule said:
Recognizing =/= being officially VC

Zoro is the firstmate but not VC! His a combatant of the crew.

It is like how Marco fans trying to make Marco an official RH of WB while the manga states "many saw him WB right hand " .

The only known VCs are Benn and Rayleigh
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Ray though was a legit VC. I mean the rest of the crew followed him as their leader after WB died. Let's be real if Luffy ever died none of the crew would follow Zoro. Maybe Nami since she likes a strong musclehead to exploit while she is stealing and stuff. Even the one moment in impel down when Luffy was absent both Sanji and Zoro led the crew as equals.
 
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Jo_Ndule said:
Rayleigh is VC and has CoC
Zoro acts Like... he isnr VC, he is Strawhat fighter
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So Zoro is the closest thing to a vice-captain, the position Rayleigh held.

You guys mention physical traits as scars to say Zoro : Rayleigh but dont wanna accept that Rayleigh is blonde pervert and smart as Sanji
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Because that's irrelevant when it comes to parallels. The parallels exist outside the physical traits; the physical traits exist to compliment the parallel.
 
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Luffy is the mc said:
They don't have the same personality but in the dynamics with their captain I believe there is some resemblance.
And zoro is indeed first mate, he takes charge when luffy is not there, then comes sanji as seen when the crew was separated in dressrosa.
Strength wise he should be stronger than prime rayleigh by eos.
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Luffy is the mc said:
They don't have the same personality but in the dynamics with their captain I believe there is some resemblance.
And zoro is indeed first mate, he takes charge when luffy is not there, then comes sanji as seen when the crew was separated in dressrosa.
Strength wise he should be stronger than prime rayleigh by eos.
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That depends if he will CoC. Given two fighters at the same tier, I will always choose the one with CoC over the other.
 
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