Powers & Abilities The Case for Mihawk's COC (Ch. 1010)

[uyuu]

Who said shanks

No it's the opposite.
Now we know swordsmen can use acoc
It means shanks has no excuse NOT to be a swordsman.
And as usual mihawk is indeed the STRONGEST swordsman.
Lol are you even reading what I'm saying. Or even reading the bullshit you're pedalling.

Why is zoro with acoc a swordsman but Shanks isn't?

I am reading what you're saying. Its just that youre refusing what im saying. Being the stronger swordsman doesnt make Mihawk the stronger haki user, Shanks is a stronger haki user than Mihawk especially regarding CoC. This is my view from the beginning, the one similar to real life powerlevel, you can being a stronger fighter without being a stronger swordsman and vice versa.

In effect, we know that stronger swordsman =/= stronger haki user especially considering Shanks is recognized due to his strong CoC and Mihawk is recognized due to him being a swordsman (Black Blade / specific type of CoA).

 

[HA001]

Who said shanks


I am reading what you're saying. Its just that youre refusing what im saying. Being the stronger swordsman doesnt make Mihawk the stronger haki user, Shanks is a stronger haki user than Mihawk especially regarding CoC. This is my view from the beginning, the one similar to real life powerlevel, you can being a stronger fighter without being a stronger swordsman and vice versa.

In effect, we know that stronger swordsman =/= stronger haki user especially considering Shanks is recognized due to his strong CoC and Mihawk is recognized due to him being a swordsman (Black Blade / specific type of CoA).

No youre wrong that's why.
Now cause of zoro we have concrete fact that being able to use acoc doesn't stop you being a swordsman. So shanks is indeed a swordsman
Shanks came on wbs ship using his coc at full effect that's all. No where is it said he's the ultimate haki master.

 

[uyuu]

No youre wrong that's why.
Now cause of zoro we have concrete fact that being able to use acoc doesn't stop you being a swordsman. So shanks is indeed a swordsman
Shanks came on wbs ship using his coc at full effect that's all. No where is it said he's the ultimate haki master.

WB and his main crew recognize Shanks'haki and not him being a swordman, this should be enough prove that Shanks' capability in haki is superior than Shanks' capability of being a swordman. Or else WB wouldnt mention his haki over him being a swordsman.

Kaidou is WSC without being the strongest kanabo user (the one who can use kanabo the best). Mihawk is WSS but Shanks is stronger in haki, its not contradictive.

 

[HA001]

WB and his main crew recognize Shanks'haki and not him being a swordman, this should be enough prove that Shanks' capability in haki is superior than Shanks' capability of being a swordman. Or else WB wouldnt mention his haki over him being a swordsman.

Kaidou is WSC without being the strongest kanabo user (the one who can use kanabo the best).

Shanks uses his haki with his sword ergo swordsman
When he clashed with wb he didn't block wbs bisento with his coc alone did he ? No he used his sword
Ace novel says when his coc isn't enough he reaches for his sword
When wb and shanks spoke they didn't talk about his big haki moments but his duels with mihawk
When he challenged marineford he pulled out his sword
Need I go on

Title is strongest swordsman not most skillfull

 

[uyuu]

Shanks uses his haki with his sword ergo swordsman
When he clashed with wb he didn't block wbs bisento with his coc alone did he ? No he used his sword
Ace novel says when his coc isn't enough he reaches for his sword
When wb and shanks spoke they didn't talk about his big haki moments but his duels with mihawk
When he challenged marineford he pulled out his sword
Need I go on

Title is strongest swordsman not most skillfull

Doesnt affect the things i stated earlier. When CoC isnt enough (when his CoC blast that knocks fodders isnt enough) he reaches for his sword.

Anyone can duel with Mihawk and being the big moment if he's strong enough. Its not related to Shanks specialty in haki, while in SBS Shanks CoC usage that is being shown, is put higher than Rayleigh.

Of course being better in swordsmanship make you a stronger swordsman, its the main factor of being a stronger swordsman, before haki and others. You deliberately dismiss Mihawk being better swordsman than Shanks as the main reason he's the WSS, since you wanted Mihawk to be WSS because he's stronger in haki.

From this chapter, we know that it isnt true anymore. Ray said being able to use CoC or grow in CoC is affected to overall strength growth, and Shanks having such a CoC depiction should be enough sign that is he is a stronger haki user than Mihawk, despite Mihawk being the WSS. Not that i state Shanks as the ultimate haki master though, but from Shanks displaying CoC the most since manga beginning, SBS, current chapters about CoC, and his lack of DF and him being less in swordsmanship than WSS, its only natural that Shanks' CoC is the best among Yonkous to compensate for his lacking in those various aspect. Its not going to make sense if his CoC is not the best between the four, since he's lacking in other areas compared to Mihawk (being a swordman) and other emperors (having haxxed DF or extreme durability)

 

[MonsterKaido]

 

[sanjikun]

The leaders/kings are CoC specialists, but CoA/CoO specialists can also unlock CoC, including Mihawk.

That being said, I don't think advanced CoC is a thing. You're just layering it on top of your CoA. So Mihawk can do Haki blasts with CoC.

 

[HA001]

Doesnt affect the things i stated earlier. When CoC isnt enough (when his CoC blast that knocks fodders isnt enough) he reaches for his sword.

Anyone can duel with Mihawk and being the big moment if he's strong enough. Its not related to Shanks specialty in haki, while in SBS Shanks CoC usage that is being shown, is put higher than Rayleigh.

Of course being better in swordsmanship make you a stronger swordsman, its the main factor of being a stronger swordsman, before haki and others. You deliberately dismiss Mihawk being better swordsman than Shanks as the main reason he's the WSS, since you wanted Mihawk to be WSS because he's stronger in haki.

From this chapter, we know that it isnt true anymore. Ray said being able to use CoC or grow in CoC is affected to overall strength growth, and Shanks having such a CoC depiction should be enough sign that is he is a stronger haki user than Mihawk, despite Mihawk being the WSS. Not that i state Shanks as the ultimate haki master though, but from Shanks displaying CoC the most since manga beginning, SBS, current chapters about CoC, and his lack of DF and him being less in swordsmanship than WSS, its only natural that Shanks' CoC is the best among Yonkous to compensate for his lacking in those various aspect. Its not going to make sense if his CoC is not the best between the four, since he's lacking in other areas compared to Mihawk (being a swordman) and other emperors (having haxxed DF or extreme durability)

No it wasn't. That was just 3 instances shown ranked
Shank just used his coc at full power not he had a higher level than Ray.
More cap mihawk has the kokuto not shanks mihawk was gonna be clairvoyant not shanks
Mihawk is the wss not shanks.
Mihawk isn't a yonko. So that's irrelevant to why he needs better haki than meme or kaido.

 

[uyuu]

No it wasn't. That was just 3 instances shown ranked
Shank just used his coc at full power not he had a higher level than Ray.
More cap mihawk has the kokuto not shanks mihawk was gonna be clairvoyant not shanks
Mihawk is the wss not shanks.
Mihawk isn't a yonko. So that's irrelevant to why he needs better haki than meme or kaido.

Not full power, Shanks' shown the most advanced CoC application example to knock out fodder, which is constant CoC pressure. Rayleigh gave an example of CoC application one level below that, which was choosing who to knock out.

Mihawk has all those strengths i agree, thats why he become WSS. But not specialization in CoC, Shanks is much more specialized than him, indicating his overall haki level mentioned by Rayleigh. I'm not saying Mihawk's haki isnt strong, but really Oda makes precise parallels of Zoro with Mihawk (specialization in CoA - attaining Black Blade as the peak) as he also makes precise parallels for Luffy with Shanks (specialization in CoC and its applications).

Thus, Mihawk being WSS doesnt guarantee him being stronger in every aspect. By chapter 1010, you should at least recognize the concept of stronger swordsman =/= stronger fighter overall as a real thing to consider, even if you don't agree with it. Since Shanks CoC is already depicted as being much stronger than that of Mihawk, and that's even if Mihawk has any.

While in other aspects like brute muscle strength, clairvoyance, sword quality, black blade CoA etc Mihawk may already be known as being stronger than anyone including Shanks which is why Mihawk is WSS and not Shanks. And just fyi, i do recognize Mihawk's WSS as a strong factor of the outcome of their fight even though i dont agree with it being decisive, since i believed CoC to be a decisive thing in combat since the start.

But you don't have to force Mihawk being stronger in CoC just because he's WSS. That's just pure wishful thinking. It doesn't make much sense seeing the CoC comparison between the two. And really it wont makes sense if Shanks vs Mihawk was legendary duels if Shanks is inferior to Mihawk in every aspects, and Mihawk's lack of CoC compared to Shanks is the basis that duel being legendary. As well as Zoro's lack of CoC compared to Luffy.

Well if you still disagree to it imo its fine, arguing back and forth further will only make we repeat the same thing thats has been debated over and over.

 

[HA001]

Not full power, Shanks' shown the most advanced CoC application example to knock out fodder, which is constant CoC pressure. Rayleigh gave an example of CoC application one level below that, which was choosing who to knock out.

Mihawk has all those strengths i agree, thats why he become WSS. But not specialization in CoC, Shanks is much more specialized than him, indicating his overall haki level mentioned by Rayleigh. I'm not saying Mihawk's haki isnt strong, but really Oda makes precise parallels of Zoro with Mihawk (specialization in CoA - attaining Black Blade as the peak) as he also makes precise parallels for Luffy with Shanks (specialization in CoC and its applications).

Thus, Mihawk being WSS doesnt guarantee him being stronger in every aspect. By chapter 1010, you should at least recognize the concept of stronger swordsman =/= stronger fighter overall as a real thing to consider, even if you don't agree with it. Since Shanks CoC is already depicted as being much stronger than that of Mihawk, and that's even if Mihawk has any.

While in other aspects like brute muscle strength, clairvoyance, sword quality, black blade CoA etc Mihawk may already be known as being stronger than anyone including Shanks which is why Mihawk is WSS and not Shanks. And just fyi, i do recognize Mihawk's WSS as a strong factor of the outcome of their fight even though i dont agree with it being decisive, since i believed CoC to be a decisive thing in combat since the start.

But you don't have to force Mihawk being stronger in CoC just because he's WSS. That's just pure wishful thinking. It doesn't make much sense seeing the CoC comparison between the two. And really it wont makes sense if Shanks vs Mihawk was legendary duels if Shanks is inferior to Mihawk in every aspects, and Mihawk's lack of CoC compared to Shanks is the basis that duel being legendary. As well as Zoro's lack of CoC compared to Luffy.

Well if you still disagree to it imo its fine, arguing back and forth further will only make we repeat the same thing thats has been debated over and over.

It's simple. Zoro has acoc. Zoro will master acoc. Zoro will be > shanks
Then he fights mihawk

 

[kenedyfake]

Zoro may be an ACoC user a thousand years later, for now he just began generate CoC and Kaidou recognized him as CoC user. doesnt matter since his overall haki is so below Luffy. Now we know WSS is =/= stronger fighter, since Shanks has extreme CoC and no one recognize Mihawk for CoC.

So however strong WSS is, Shanks is not at all weaker as a fighter than that WSS, and really is stronger. You assuming Mihawk has CoC has no basis whatsoever, since thats the only excuse left since the CoC you mocked as fodder control before, apparently is the strongest power now. So embarassing.

in fact, Mihawk whether or not Coc, Shanks having "better COC world", doesn't change anything. Mihawk remains stronger than him. and any other swordsmen

The only thing that can change Shanks' side is that he is an akuma no mi user. or put the sword aside and just use a firearm.

 

[Blother Fertitta]

Let me get this straight. @Den_Den_Mushi
Den, you also believe Zoro has advanced CoC?

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Title is strongest swordsman not most skillfull

But he is the most skillfull
you realize in every sport Skill is what makes you good
Also theres no grammar in Worlds Skillfull Swordsmen
10/10 Skill will triumph strength

 

[Den_Den_Mushi]

Let me get this straight. @Den_Den_Mushi
Den, you also believe Zoro has advanced CoC?

Latently, yes. He has it, has been using it unconsciously, but can’t control it. I think Zoro is manifesting the most advanced form of COC we’ve seen, with Kaido being able to sense his will of kings in Ashura before it even hits.

The levels of COC as I see it are

Basic - User can tame animals and demonstrates strong charisma. Produces wild uncontrolled blasts of haki that knock out fodders indiscriminately. (Luffy vs Duval, Luffy using haki to knock out the executioners at Marineford)

Intermediate - User can control the number and type of fodder to be knocked out. (Rayleigh at auction house, Luffy at FMI)

Advanced - User can coat their attacks in COC to produce shockwaves and generate force without touching their opponent (Shanks vs WB)

@Haoshoku @Fleet Admiral Lee Hung would like to hear your thoughts as well

 

[Fn Lucci]

in fact, Mihawk whether or not Coc, Shanks having "better COC world", doesn't change anything. Mihawk remains stronger than him. and any other swordsmen

The only thing that can change Shanks' side is that he is an akuma no mi user. or put the sword aside and just use a firearm.

Two questions come up with this topic on Mihawk:

Why doesn't oda give him a win over Shanks?

Why is Oda hiding a CoC status?

 

[Finalbeta]

But he is the most skillfull
you realize in every sport Skill is what makes you good
Also theres no grammar in Worlds Skillfull Swordsmen
10/10 Skill will triumph strength

If you took the sports example Mihawk would be Messi to all the other swordsmen.

 

[Shisui]

Nah he doesn't have it. If he did, he woulda taught Zoro, I am not buying the whole Zoro is too stupid to grasp the concept of CoC when it took Luffy two weeks to figure out Ad CoA and a hot sec to figure out Ad CoC. You lot are indirectly calling Zoro an idiot just to make Mihawk look good smh. A better explanation would have been Mihawk had no idea about Zoro's CoC cos he recently just awoken this ability, simple af.

 

[Struckby]

It never stated that Zoro could use Advanced Coc,Kaido asking if Zoro possess CoC not stating that Asura is Acoc

 

[Zowo]

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Nah he doesn't have it. If he did, he woulda taught Zoro, I am not buying the whole Zoro is too stupid to grasp the concept of CoC when it took Luffy two weeks to figure out Ad CoA and a hot sec to figure out Ad CoC. You lot are indirectly calling Zoro an idiot just to make Mihawk look good smh. A better explanation would have been Mihawk had no idea about Zoro's CoC cos he recently just awoken this ability, simple af.

zoro has coc
but zoro s ultimate dream doesnt
op community man

 

[Finalbeta]

There's no firm evidence for now suggesting that Mihawk doesn't bear CoC, for multiple reasons, expecially:

- WSS title's importance and implications on Shanks, it's tough to imagine Mihawk to overcome him without CoC
- Rayleigh probably not telling Luffy about ACoC