I'm not even talking about the CoC aspect here. Sanji wants women to stay out of harm. He may believe in robin but he knows black Marias intention of capturing and torturing her, if robin fails he literally allowed robin to be tortured. doesn't matter how good he thinks robin is there's always the chance she isn't up the challenge (we know she won't lose but Sanji still took a gamble on robins life to save his own)
Character Discussion Sanji's Immense Will
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It just disproves the argument that his powers working on Sanji is evidence of Sanji having a weak will, otherwise you'd have to concede that being the case for Zoro or Doffy, which at least in Zoro's case i'm sure you agree with me saying it doesn't make sense 
Soul swap seems to me the weaker attack that only works on weaker ppl.
Otherwise he could soul swap Kaido with Luffy or something or Doffy with the Trebol.
That effectively proved that Sanji is below people like vergo, doffy, luffy, zoro, etc.
and Doffy sat his ass down
When he approached Luffy in PH he was trying to earn his trust so that they can make an alliance, so it didn't make sense to try to catch him offguard and use his abilities on him.
With Vergo and Doffy, you have individuals who are fully aware of Law's abilities and know to constantly guard themselves with Haki.
And these arguments are an added bonus, because we didn't actually see him try to use it on these characters and fail, so the fact that he would have failed back then if he tried with all the characters you have listed isn't a foregone conclusion. We actually didn't see that ability fail to work even once when used. The ability being weaker than Shambles is also entirely speculative. We don't know enough to make any claims based solely on the fact that it was used on characters like Sanji and Smoker.
Btw, i think Smoker is also a very strong willed individual and a prime candidate for CoC among the marines.
With Vergo and Doffy, you have individuals who are fully aware of Law's abilities and know to constantly guard themselves with Haki.
And these arguments are an added bonus, because we didn't actually see him try to use it on these characters and fail, so the fact that he would have failed back then if he tried with all the characters you have listed isn't a foregone conclusion. We actually didn't see that ability fail to work even once when used. The ability being weaker than Shambles is also entirely speculative. We don't know enough to make any claims based solely on the fact that it was used on characters like Sanji and Smoker.
Btw, i think Smoker is also a very strong willed individual and a prime candidate for CoC among the marines.
Sanji believes in his nakama and as you said we know that in the end he will be right because somehow Robin will win. On the contrary it shows that Sanji respects Robin a lot and even if she is a woman he trusted her enough to win the fight. Would Robin be hurt ? Yes likely but this a war And Sanji knows it. He considered Robin like any of his nakama and this prove good character development.
It is not a gamble because Sanji knows Robin worth. If betting on your nakamas was a bad thing then 90% of shonen characters are weak willed.
And as I said what was the alternative fighting Maria ? Sanji can’t at all do that.
Because being the WSS is better knowing the meaning of the D ?
All blue is a mythic sea that no one ever discovered. Sanji discovering it is huge.
It is not a gamble because Sanji knows Robin worth. If betting on your nakamas was a bad thing then 90% of shonen characters are weak willed.
And as I said what was the alternative fighting Maria ? Sanji can’t at all do that.
Because being the WSS is better knowing the meaning of the D ?
All blue is a mythic sea that no one ever discovered. Sanji discovering it is huge.
At this point Nami, and the other strawhats didn't know if Law would become an ally. So they were technically on opposite ends, which is why Law immediately and easily swapped souls. If this was a stronger move, we'd see this again utilized on stronger folks, however, that was not the case, therefore it is in our best deduction to rule it out as a powerful move.
We have to use what we're given despite it not being much. And the moment Smoker was defeated by Law and soul swapped, and then his heart removed, was game set match that he would not be a CoC bearer. I am saying this because I don't believe Law is a CoC user either.
And Smoker will be strong, I just don't see him CoC strong
We have to use what we're given despite it not being much. And the moment Smoker was defeated by Law and soul swapped, and then his heart removed, was game set match that he would not be a CoC bearer. I am saying this because I don't believe Law is a CoC user either.
And Smoker will be strong, I just don't see him CoC strong
Sanji believes in his nakama and as you said we know that in the end he will be right because somehow Robin will win. On the contrary it shows that Sanji respects Robin a lot and even if she is a woman he trusted her enough to win the fight. Would Robin be hurt ? Yes likely but this a war And Sanji knows it. He considered Robin like any of his nakama and this prove good character development.
It is not a gamble because Sanji knows Robin worth. If betting on your nakamas was a bad thing then 90% of shonen characters are weak willed.
And as I said what was the alternative fighting Maria ? Sanji can’t at all do that.
Because being the WSS is better knowing the meaning of the D ?
All blue is a mythic sea that no one ever discovered. Sanji discovering it is huge.
It is not a gamble because Sanji knows Robin worth. If betting on your nakamas was a bad thing then 90% of shonen characters are weak willed.
And as I said what was the alternative fighting Maria ? Sanji can’t at all do that.
Because being the WSS is better knowing the meaning of the D ?
All blue is a mythic sea that no one ever discovered. Sanji discovering it is huge.
Because being the WSS is better knowing the meaning of the D ?
All blue is a mythic sea that no one ever discovered. Sanji discovering it is huge.
All blue is a mythic sea that no one ever discovered. Sanji discovering it is huge.
Very mature of you.
And second the whole crew discovers it.
Don't single out Sanji, he's not the only one there.
Finally, WSS means to stand atop an entire group of people in strength.
If someone like WB considers Mihawk's duels as legendary, that's canon enough for us to consider it Legendary is well.
And being a strong Swordsman/Sword God was enough to keep out Marines for centuries from Wano by Ryuma.
Someone like Akainu hesitated from entering Wano, and Zoro will only surpass that legend.
I'm not saying that trusting nakama is a bad thing. I'm just trying to say that robin was bound to get hurt but now it's to clean up sanjis mess. I do get that trusting his nakama is a progression but it comes at the expense of allowing robin to get hurt. Honestly i see the idea of it being strong willed bc he stuck to his morals (not hurting women) but can you at least entertain the idea that it also brought robin into a very serious situation that if turned bad can really fuck robin up, all because he didn't want to hurt a woman personally which also slightly compromises his morals.
There wasn't really any other choice. It was die or trust robin even if it means she may be in danger.
If this seems like a big turn around, a very wise friend slightly opened my eyes but I still have issues with it.
There wasn't really any other choice. It was die or trust robin even if it means she may be in danger.
If this seems like a big turn around, a very wise friend slightly opened my eyes but I still have issues with it.
We never see Sanji training in general. However we know he wants to get stronger anyways....
And as for the RS..... as of now Sanji has only used the RS for miscellaneous reasons.
- A disguise to hide his face
- Invisibility to sneak into the Womans Bath
- Invisibility to free Momo
This isnt about will. Sanji was super confident that he could destroy P1....but he still opted for the RS because he needed a disguise to hide himself.
He was willing to because his loved ones were at risk. Staying put was the only way to spare their lives. He put them above himself. Thats a good thing.
Usually because their are bigger things at risk, like his family and his nakama. Caring more about Ambition then his loved ones is stupid...
Because Sanji's ambition was never in danger. Becoming PK, means Luffy should be able too protect anyone.....yet he couldn't protect his own brother. Becoming WSS, meant Zoro has to defeat Mihawk....but he didn't. Nothing in WCI doubted Sanji's own ambition. He would still be with a pirate crew, so logically he could still get the All Blue. Heck their were bigger priorities at that point with Zeff's potential murder. This again isnt remotely the same...
And as for the RS..... as of now Sanji has only used the RS for miscellaneous reasons.
- A disguise to hide his face
- Invisibility to sneak into the Womans Bath
- Invisibility to free Momo
This isnt about will. Sanji was super confident that he could destroy P1....but he still opted for the RS because he needed a disguise to hide himself.
He was willing to because his loved ones were at risk. Staying put was the only way to spare their lives. He put them above himself. Thats a good thing.
Usually because their are bigger things at risk, like his family and his nakama. Caring more about Ambition then his loved ones is stupid...
Because Sanji's ambition was never in danger. Becoming PK, means Luffy should be able too protect anyone.....yet he couldn't protect his own brother. Becoming WSS, meant Zoro has to defeat Mihawk....but he didn't. Nothing in WCI doubted Sanji's own ambition. He would still be with a pirate crew, so logically he could still get the All Blue. Heck their were bigger priorities at that point with Zeff's potential murder. This again isnt remotely the same...
The SH's were not trying to engage with Law though, the opposite. They were running away trying to avoid pointless fights with the kids around, and they were not aware of how big Law's range is.
The ability was not used at all post PH though, even though there's been fodder characters in the following arcs as well. Oda simply ignored it, so there's not a pattern of it being used only against weak characters, and there's not a single example of Law claiming that it's more difficult for this particular ability to work against a strong character than any of his other abilities.
As far as we know, if you are inside the Room, his abilities either work on you if you're relative to him strength wise or weaker, or they don't if you are significantly stronger.
Losing a fight against Law doesn't disqualify Smoker from being a CoC user. Smoker has all the traits necessary, and he's one of the most driven persons among the marines. This is the guy who got paralels with Garp in the way he refused promotions and chased after the future Pirate King, and constantly gave the middle finger to his superiors.
Heck, i'd find it more likely for Smoker to be a CoC user than someone like Kizaru for example.
The ability was not used at all post PH though, even though there's been fodder characters in the following arcs as well. Oda simply ignored it, so there's not a pattern of it being used only against weak characters, and there's not a single example of Law claiming that it's more difficult for this particular ability to work against a strong character than any of his other abilities.
As far as we know, if you are inside the Room, his abilities either work on you if you're relative to him strength wise or weaker, or they don't if you are significantly stronger.
Losing a fight against Law doesn't disqualify Smoker from being a CoC user. Smoker has all the traits necessary, and he's one of the most driven persons among the marines. This is the guy who got paralels with Garp in the way he refused promotions and chased after the future Pirate King, and constantly gave the middle finger to his superiors.
Heck, i'd find it more likely for Smoker to be a CoC user than someone like Kizaru for example.