Current Events Honest Question: Why don't people actually want a real 1v1 fight for Zoro?
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This is essentially the problem though, we have to stop comparing it to the rooftop story. If Zoro's story is effectively done with Kaido (just an assumption), then the next best thing he can do is support is captain by taking out the #2. Thats what Zoro does most arcs.
I dont sit here and go "wow, Zoro vs King, sounds lame after Hakai" because Zoro hasn't actually had a decent swordsman fight in years and the 2 Yonko above did not fight Zoro like a swordsman.
Guaranteed that if Oda drew Zoro struggling against King because he's injured/damaged/whatever, and it showed Zoro being pushed to his limit because of it, everyone would find that impressive. We gotta stop this notion that we are "dehyping" villains at the expense of the protagonists. That literally happens every arc and even a Katakuri and Doflamingo eventually fell to Luffy hype.
It seems Oda doesn't truly care about how we feel when it comes to the villains with hype, because otherwise he wouldn't have gagged the fuck out of Big Mom with Franky/Brook/Jinbe/Robin much earlier or made her do the other plenty stupid shit she's done all arc.
Tldr: Zoro fighting King hypes Zoro if it happens, not King. It would be at the expense of King because that is exactly what Oda does with Big Mom, Kaido, Kata, Doflamingo, etc etc etc. Enel's reaction to Luffy when his powers didn't work entirely ruined his imposing presence in a good way. This is normal.
I dont sit here and go "wow, Zoro vs King, sounds lame after Hakai" because Zoro hasn't actually had a decent swordsman fight in years and the 2 Yonko above did not fight Zoro like a swordsman.
Guaranteed that if Oda drew Zoro struggling against King because he's injured/damaged/whatever, and it showed Zoro being pushed to his limit because of it, everyone would find that impressive. We gotta stop this notion that we are "dehyping" villains at the expense of the protagonists. That literally happens every arc and even a Katakuri and Doflamingo eventually fell to Luffy hype.
It seems Oda doesn't truly care about how we feel when it comes to the villains with hype, because otherwise he wouldn't have gagged the fuck out of Big Mom with Franky/Brook/Jinbe/Robin much earlier or made her do the other plenty stupid shit she's done all arc.
Tldr: Zoro fighting King hypes Zoro if it happens, not King. It would be at the expense of King because that is exactly what Oda does with Big Mom, Kaido, Kata, Doflamingo, etc etc etc. Enel's reaction to Luffy when his powers didn't work entirely ruined his imposing presence in a good way. This is normal.
I would find it mediocre tho. But it is what it is. It feels like someone gave you a good piece of cake and then they give you some broccoli after you ate the cake, ofc you can't compare both of them but it is dissapointing after the cake (note that I am speaking about this arc, not future enemies in future arcs). They should at least hype King by having him defeating X powerful character or something like that. If we see that King managed to push Zoro to extreme diff because he was alr injured it would be quite the L for him.
The main difference is that Inuarashi got his ass whopped despite it being a 9v1 without him even doing some significant damage to Kaido alone or at least doing something to shine. Are you really comparing Zoro's feat with Inuarashi's? Lol.
Why brining Sanji here? We are speaking about Zoro, King and Kaido leave Sanji alone.
Why brining Sanji here? We are speaking about Zoro, King and Kaido leave Sanji alone.
I'd like to know what whoever supports Zoro vs King (and therefore Sanji vs Queen) thinks it's going to happen to the other fighers.
In the hypothesis those two fights happened, what would be Drake, Apoo, Chopper and the 5 remaining scabbards role in the war?
Apoo sides with Queen even if he wants to kill him and start fighting Chopper?
Drake fights Apoo and defeats him again?
Drake, Chopper and Apoo deal with the numbers even tho Drake already oneshotted one and there are no number in the color spread with the beast pirates?
And if they fight the Numbers, what are the scabbards going to do?
In the hypothesis those two fights happened, what would be Drake, Apoo, Chopper and the 5 remaining scabbards role in the war?
Apoo sides with Queen even if he wants to kill him and start fighting Chopper?
Drake fights Apoo and defeats him again?
Drake, Chopper and Apoo deal with the numbers even tho Drake already oneshotted one and there are no number in the color spread with the beast pirates?
And if they fight the Numbers, what are the scabbards going to do?
Support the Straw Hats against their opponents? Fight the Big Mom Pirates when they reach Onigashima? Chopper either supports Sanji against Queen or my theory about Ice Oni Drake comes true?
The only ones who need to shine are the Straw Hat Pirates. MAYBE Kid and Law's crew when the Big Mom Pirates reach Onigashima.
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The only ones who need to shine are the Straw Hat Pirates. MAYBE Kid and Law's crew when the Big Mom Pirates reach Onigashima.
Well you have to assume a lot of things on either side:
No Zoro vs King
- You have have even assume Apoo and Drake will be involved in those fights. Theyve been there on the performance floor for 20 chapters and not one thing has happened where Drake has attempted attempted to fight Queen or King
- Following that there's a lot bearing on this idea that Chopper will team up with Drake to fight Queen. Not saying it can't happen, but so far Drake has done nothing to insinuate that he and Chopper will fight Queen. It's a guess just like anything else.
- Is also based on the assumption that Marco is even taking either fight outside of the stalling he's been doing for 12 chapters. Hes actively holding back the 2 YCs, all while Perospero is being primed to do something that prevents him from holding them back. Oda has so many focal points that it can be hard to see that this is happening because he drops setup for things like this for like 5-10 chapters at a time (like we've barely seen Jinbe fight since 998)
- Is based on the assumption that if Sanji is to fight either, it isn't Queen but is King due their previous clash. Not saying it can't be the case, but there is also a connection between Sanji and Queen, that is a fact.
Zoro vs King
- Is based on the assumption that Oda will follow other arc standards of Zoro fighting the #2 and Sanji the #3
- Is based on the assumption or observation of a "Mr. 1/Mr. 2" or "Kaku/Jabra" type relationship that Queen and King have. Its a notable gag that Oda has used for Zoro and Sanji
- Is based on the idea that Marco is simply stalling the fights. Nothing points to him directly fighting either YC. This can change.
- Is based on the predicated "swordsman" fight trope Zoro normally receives, or Sanji fighting a more "essentric" personality character, which both King and Queen seem to fill
- is based on Marco, Law, Drake, Chopper and Apoo having other roles in the arc that don't involve fighting King and Queen.
- Is based on the idea that Zoro will recover enough to even have said fight and not be irrelevant for the majority of the battles below the dome
- Finally is based on Zoro not rejoining the fight with Luffy against Kaido
Then there are plenty of missing factors here:
- Perospero, Big Mom herself if Kid/Killer have trouble
- If the Big Mom Pirates show up at the capital, that answers your question of what others can do. They have at least 4-5 other powerhouses that would need to be held back, on top of Perospero
- There are 6 remaining scabbards not busy with other opponents (Jack/Inu, Fuku/Raizo) or down (Asura). If one more gets distracted by someone (i.e. Kanjuro), it allows the 5 scabbards to potentially get a cool moment with the 5 remaining Numbers (unless the other 5 also recover)
- CP-0 depending on what they do
No Zoro vs King
- You have have even assume Apoo and Drake will be involved in those fights. Theyve been there on the performance floor for 20 chapters and not one thing has happened where Drake has attempted attempted to fight Queen or King
- Following that there's a lot bearing on this idea that Chopper will team up with Drake to fight Queen. Not saying it can't happen, but so far Drake has done nothing to insinuate that he and Chopper will fight Queen. It's a guess just like anything else.
- Is also based on the assumption that Marco is even taking either fight outside of the stalling he's been doing for 12 chapters. Hes actively holding back the 2 YCs, all while Perospero is being primed to do something that prevents him from holding them back. Oda has so many focal points that it can be hard to see that this is happening because he drops setup for things like this for like 5-10 chapters at a time (like we've barely seen Jinbe fight since 998)
- Is based on the assumption that if Sanji is to fight either, it isn't Queen but is King due their previous clash. Not saying it can't be the case, but there is also a connection between Sanji and Queen, that is a fact.
Zoro vs King
- Is based on the assumption that Oda will follow other arc standards of Zoro fighting the #2 and Sanji the #3
- Is based on the assumption or observation of a "Mr. 1/Mr. 2" or "Kaku/Jabra" type relationship that Queen and King have. Its a notable gag that Oda has used for Zoro and Sanji
- Is based on the idea that Marco is simply stalling the fights. Nothing points to him directly fighting either YC. This can change.
- Is based on the predicated "swordsman" fight trope Zoro normally receives, or Sanji fighting a more "essentric" personality character, which both King and Queen seem to fill
- is based on Marco, Law, Drake, Chopper and Apoo having other roles in the arc that don't involve fighting King and Queen.
- Is based on the idea that Zoro will recover enough to even have said fight and not be irrelevant for the majority of the battles below the dome
- Finally is based on Zoro not rejoining the fight with Luffy against Kaido
Then there are plenty of missing factors here:
- Perospero, Big Mom herself if Kid/Killer have trouble
- If the Big Mom Pirates show up at the capital, that answers your question of what others can do. They have at least 4-5 other powerhouses that would need to be held back, on top of Perospero
- There are 6 remaining scabbards not busy with other opponents (Jack/Inu, Fuku/Raizo) or down (Asura). If one more gets distracted by someone (i.e. Kanjuro), it allows the 5 scabbards to potentially get a cool moment with the 5 remaining Numbers (unless the other 5 also recover)
- CP-0 depending on what they do
This truly has been my thought this entire arc. I'm not sure why people expect anyone other than the main characters to shine this arc truly:
- 6 Strawhats have monopolized all 5 of the F5 fights that are available.
- Interestingly enough, Chopper is around the 6th F6 member, who is an ally, but who actually knows what happens between Chopper, Queen and potentially Drake. The guy isn't called the plague for nothing and it's possible he has something even worse, forcing Chopper to fight Drake (this is a theory). Oooor Chopper can be involved in the Ulti/P1 fight, who knows what OOdais planning
- Funny enough, what remains are then the 3 calamities. If you include Yamato as a strong ally/future strawhat who's running towards the mansion, there is potentially setup for her to fight Jack. Reason being is Inu is now alone with no Sulong, while Jack in the least still has Hybrid. Then you just have Sanji and Zoro, the last two potential pieces of that puzzle to fight Queen and King.
- In line with everything, it would literally have the Strawhats fighting every single beast pirate executive. When you look at Marco and his stalling against the 2 YCs instead of fundamentally being setup to fight one of them, or when you look at the fact that Yamato is heading towards the mansion or that Sanji has still yet to receive his matchup, this may be easier to get if you believe in it.
- 6 Strawhats have monopolized all 5 of the F5 fights that are available.
- Interestingly enough, Chopper is around the 6th F6 member, who is an ally, but who actually knows what happens between Chopper, Queen and potentially Drake. The guy isn't called the plague for nothing and it's possible he has something even worse, forcing Chopper to fight Drake (this is a theory). Oooor Chopper can be involved in the Ulti/P1 fight, who knows what OOdais planning
- Funny enough, what remains are then the 3 calamities. If you include Yamato as a strong ally/future strawhat who's running towards the mansion, there is potentially setup for her to fight Jack. Reason being is Inu is now alone with no Sulong, while Jack in the least still has Hybrid. Then you just have Sanji and Zoro, the last two potential pieces of that puzzle to fight Queen and King.
- In line with everything, it would literally have the Strawhats fighting every single beast pirate executive. When you look at Marco and his stalling against the 2 YCs instead of fundamentally being setup to fight one of them, or when you look at the fact that Yamato is heading towards the mansion or that Sanji has still yet to receive his matchup, this may be easier to get if you believe in it.
Because Zoro HAS NOT beaten a YC1 character... You guys dont realise, Zoro lost... On the roof, he lost... Zoro just lost to two Yonko... Thats all that just happened.
Let me ask something, is Jack not a YC3? But Jack attacked a convoy of Sengoku Fujitora amd Tsuru and even managed to do some damage... But then he lost... Does Jack jump up to YC1 because he fought people above his weight class and lost to them?
Why does Zoro jump to Admiral level because he fought yonko and lost to them?
@Rivaille
Zoro has not been having a 1v1 with Kaido has he?
Let me ask something, is Jack not a YC3? But Jack attacked a convoy of Sengoku Fujitora amd Tsuru and even managed to do some damage... But then he lost... Does Jack jump up to YC1 because he fought people above his weight class and lost to them?
Why does Zoro jump to Admiral level because he fought yonko and lost to them?
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@Rivaille
Zoro has not been having a 1v1 with Kaido has he?
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So you advocating for Zoro to not return to the arc? Luffy told Zoro that he will handle the roof... And you are claiming that Drake and Apoo carry priority over Zoro to have big fights so Zoro is out then
Zoro will do literally nothing for the rest of the arc? Okay what is Law doing then? What is Law doing this whole time?
Zoro will do literally nothing for the rest of the arc? Okay what is Law doing then? What is Law doing this whole time?
I still think that Zoro isn't done with Kaido. Not saying that ZKK would happen but there is some setup for Kaido acknowledging Zoro as a monster Samurai for example.
That thing died once we saw Zoro meeting the princess of the island, or once we saw him fighting alongside Luffy against the main antagonist. Zoro showing interest on fighting Kaido alr killed the "following other arc standards" if you do follow those arc standards Zoro wouldn't even meet Kaido let alone face him even for a brief moment. Also, for your arc standards. Why am I seeing two antagonists in the same arc?
That thing died once we saw Zoro meeting the princess of the island, or once we saw him fighting alongside Luffy against the main antagonist. Zoro showing interest on fighting Kaido alr killed the "following other arc standards" if you do follow those arc standards Zoro wouldn't even meet Kaido let alone face him even for a brief moment. Also, for your arc standards. Why am I seeing two antagonists in the same arc?