Chapter Discussion Viz confirms Zoro took BM and Kaido attack

[Rivaille]

That ain't it my dude. Y'all are thinking with your wank boner right now, this shit makes no sense if you're 1% grounded.

It's my bad, i should have just stayed away from this. It just struck me how crazy it was i thought y'all were not serious about this.

-Few days back : Zoro opening a new wound (especially on hybrid Kaido)? Does not make sense

-Few months back : Zoro being in the roof ? Does not make sense

-Few years ago: Zoro being YC level? Does not make sense

-A decade ago : Zoro having CoC? Does not make sense

-Calling the Zoro fans « crazy »? Make sense

 

[bennbeckman]

-Few days back : Zoro opening a new wound (especially on hybrid Kaido)? Does not make sense

-Few months back : Zoro being in the roof ? Does not make sense

-Few years ago: Zoro being YC level? Does not make sense

-A decade ago : Zoro having CoC? Does not make sense

-Calling the Zoro fans « crazy »? Make sense

IMO I thought ZKK was a crazy theory because normal theory would have had Zoro vs King from the get go, but he went on the roof, scarred Kaido, im on the ZKK train until Wano ends, if the doesnt kill Kaido ill admit to being wrong

Point and point: Zoro haters constantly get proven wrong and Zoro fans have gotten beyond expections treatment for past 14 chapters

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Man, this thread is crazy.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

@Rivaille and I were like No way this guy would mock our opinions with headcanons and not be able to prove facts.

Then we were like of course he mocked our opinions with inserting headcanon for facts and doesnt like civilized discourse... cheers mate:cheers::cheers::cheers:

The attack can't be dodged and the attack would kill them all are facts you have to work with when discussing these events.

Zoro needs to buy them the time to move.
Zoro says that they all are done for if they don't avoid the attack. It would wipe all of them out if they put all of their strength together Zoro included, to try to do what you claim Zoro did by himself.

In no universe does anyone then come to the logical conclusion that Zoro did not need to avoid the attack after blocking it for a moment.

The attack continues on it's path and causes extreme devastation on the place Zoro and the others once stood, and Zoro was last left standing. It clearly was just held back for a second, and then fucks everything up in it's path.

Then you switch right after to see in an entirely different place the line up of Supernova who could only escape cuz Zoro bought them a moment, and Zoro is standing at Law's side in a limp state unable to move. At the side of the one guy who could get him out of the way in time, with that one guy who could use his ability to get him out of the way in time checking to see if he was in time and Zoro is still alive.

 

[bennbeckman]

The attack can't be dodged and the attack would kill them all are facts you have to work with when discussing these events.

Zoro needs to buy them the time to move.
Zoro says that the all are done for if they don't avoid the attack. It would wipe all of them out if they put all of their strength together Zoro included, to try to do what you claim Zoro did by himself.

In no universe does anyone then come to the logical conclusion that Zoro did not need to avoid the attack after blocking it for a moment.

The attack continues on it's path and causes extreme devastation on the place Zoro and the others once stood, and Zoro was last left standing. It clearly was just held back for a second, and then fucks everything up in it's path.

Then you switch right after to see in an entirely different place the line up of Supernova who could only escape cuz Zoro bought them a moment, and Zoro is standing at Law's side in a limp state unable to move. At the side of the one guy who could get him out of the way in time, with that one guy who could use his ability to get him out of the way in time checking to see if he was in time and Zoro is still alive.

I respect your opinion, the conclusion at this point is our opinions will differ and we will end up agreeing to disagree. Not everyone is right and if there is definitive proof that Zoro was moved while being engulfed in the attack I have no problem admitting to being wrong.

To extend the discussion where the answer becomes a gray zone is how long was Zoro engulfed in the attack for. Some will say 1 second, some will say for a good amount of time, and some will say the whole attack.

Zoro is standing at laws side but how long was Zoro engulfed in the attack for before Law moved him or if law moved him after taking that whole attack. During the attack we do not see an actual shambles like the illustration in ch 1010. That is my question where is that same illustration in ch 1009. If you are able to point that out to me where that illustration is drawn I have no problem admitting to being wrong and you being right in this instance.

 

[Finalbeta]

Remember when in the battledome it is suggested how no one in OP history can possibly take on Kaido and Big Mom at the same time?

Do you also consider that Hakai was probably the best combination they can come up with?

What Zoro blocked and deflected is probably stronger than the strongest Gura Punch Primebeard could of thrown at Zoro.

 

[HA001]

The attack can't be dodged and the attack would kill them all are facts you have to work with when discussing these events.

Zoro needs to buy them the time to move.
Zoro says that they all are done for if they don't avoid the attack. It would wipe all of them out if they put all of their strength together Zoro included, to try to do what you claim Zoro did by himself.

In no universe does anyone then come to the logical conclusion that Zoro did not need to avoid the attack after blocking it for a moment.

The attack continues on it's path and causes extreme devastation on the place Zoro and the others once stood, and Zoro was last left standing. It clearly was just held back for a second, and then fucks everything up in it's path.

Then you switch right after to see in an entirely different place the line up of Supernova who could only escape cuz Zoro bought them a moment, and Zoro is standing at Law's side in a limp state unable to move. At the side of the one guy who could get him out of the way in time, with that one guy who could use his ability to get him out of the way in time checking to see if he was in time and Zoro is still alive.

This is retarded
If law moved all of them that includes luffy

Law and Kidd would speak to zoro immediately yet they only talk when luffy is in front of kaido
Which makes no sense

There's no indication law moved zoro
No dialogue that shows law moved zoro
No markings or sfx that showed law moved zoro
Nothing

 

[Kuro Ashi]

This is retarded
If law moved all of them that includes luffy

Law and Kidd would speak to zoro immediately yet they only talk when luffy is in front of kaido
Which makes no sense

There's no indication law moved zoro
No dialogue that shows law moved zoro
No markings or sfx that showed law moved zoro
Nothing

Luffy clearly darted towards Kaido the second he was moved out of the way. Law speaking with Zoro immediatley is literally the first thing you are shown from the SN's after the attack, and after that you see Luffy getting in Kaido's face.

It's an attack that can't be fully blocked and an attack that would kill them all Zoro included if they try to do what you claim Zoro did. You have Zoro outright telling you that's the case, that it would wipe them all out.

The Yonko outright comment on them getting away before Zoro is shown among the one's who got away.

How come the whole narrative is built towards them needing to escape this, Zoros speech is that they all need to escape this, the Yonko's conclusion is that they managed to escape this, and you guys conclude that Zoro did not manage to escape this.

You demand even more clear dialogue on other fronts when we have more than clear implications already, but not for a second expect there to be dialogue about how Zoro did not need to evade and was able to take the full attack from the Yonko or the others.

You have Kidd outright saying he only blocked it for a second

after the Yonko comment on them getting away from the attack, but you guys chug along claiming he took it all and call others take on this to be retarded.

 

[HA001]

Luffy clearly darted towards Kaido the second he was moved out of the way. Law speaking with Zoro immediatley is literally the first thing you are shown from the SN's after the attack, and after that you see Luffy getting in Kaido's face.

It's an attack that can't be fully blocked and an attack that would kill them all Zoro included if they try to do what you claim Zoro did.

The Yonko outright comment on them getting away before Zoro is shown among the one's who got away.

How come the whole narrative is built towards them needing to escape this, Zoros speech is that they all need to escape this, the Yonko's conclusion is that they managed to escape this, and you guys conclude that Zoro did not manage to escape this.

You demand even more clear dialogue on other fronts when we have more than clear implications already, but not for a second expect there to be dialogue about how Zoro did not need to evade and was able to take the full attack from the Yonko or the others.

You have Kidd outright saying he only blocked it for a second

after the Yonko comment on them getting away from the attack, but you guys chug along claiming he took it all and call others take on this to be retarded.

kidd said he blocked it
he did
law said he took the attack which he also did

no its not they all gathered after
kidd and killer are shown jumping away
no one even infers law moved anything
thats after law moves himself
when law uses his power we see a pop or indication lines hes used it
yet theres none there which means time has passed
which again doesnt fit kidd and law being silent until luffy is on top of kaido

 

[Kuro Ashi]

kidd said he blocked it
he did
law said he took the attack which he also did

no its not they all gathered after
kidd and killer are shown jumping away
no one even infers law moved anything
thats after law moves himself
when law uses his power we see a pop or indication lines hes used it
yet theres none there which means time has passed
which again doesnt fit kidd and law being silent until luffy is on top of kaido

The only time that has passed is during the destruction that the attack causes in the place Zoro once stood.

If the attack overwhelmed Zoro and then caused that destruction, he'd be blown off the roof and be dead as he admitted the attack would kill them all.

If the atack did not overwhelm Zoro, or Zoro wasn't moved out of it's way, it would not continue on it's path and be shown to destroy the area they once stood in.

It makes sense to not show Law moving them for dramatic effect, because you're not supposed to know what happened until the dust settles. The first clue you get needs to be the Yonko stating that their voices have not dissapeared and they got away, which is revealed to be the case in the following panel.

They got away.

 

[HA001]

The only time that has passed is during the destruction that the attack causes in the place Zoro once stood.

If the attack overwhelmed Zoro and then caused that destruction, he'd be blown off the roof and be dead as he admitted the attack would kill them all.

If the atack did not overwhelm Zoro, or Zoro wasn't moved out of it's way, it would not continue on it's path and be shown to destroy the area they once stood in.

It makes sense to not show Law moving them for dramatic effect, because you're not supposed to know what happened until the dust settles. The first clue you get needs to be the Yonko stating that their voices have not dissapeared and they got away, which is revealed to be the case in the following panel.

They got away.

The others did get away. Law only moved himself. Kidd and killer are jumping themselves
Hence why kidd thanks zoro and no one even blinks at law.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

The others did get away. Law only moved himself. Kidd and killer are jumping themselves
Hence why kidd thanks zoro and no one even blinks at law.

That's possible, i don't have a strong opinion on wether Law moved all of the others or not.

Law makes most sense for the answer of "who moved Zoro". Because if they would be unable to escape the attack as BM and Kaido launches it, Zoro would clearly not be able to run away with the attack in his face.

 

[HA001]

That's possible, i don't have a strong opinion on wether Law moved all of the others or not.

Law makes most sense for the answer of "who moved Zoro". Because if they would be unable to escape the attack as BM and Kaido launches it, Zoro would clearly not be able to run away with the attack in his face.

youre making shit up
theres no sign dialogue sfx inference anything AT ALL in the manga law moved zoro

 

[Kuro Ashi]

youre making shit up
theres no sign dialogue sfx inference anything AT ALL in the manga law moved zoro

I already went through this enough. The Yonko stating that they got away right before Law checks on Zoro to see if he is still alive is inference enough.

You guys are simply arguing that Zoro did something that Zoro himself claimed would wipe him out alongside everyone else if they don't somehow escape the attack.

 

[HA001]

I already went through this enough. The Yonko stating that they got away right before Law checks on Zoro to see if he is still alive is inference enough.

You guys are simply arguing that Zoro did something that Zoro himself claimed would wipe him out alongside everyone else if they don't somehow escape the attack.

No you didn't show shit.
Law saved everyone but no one even implies he did. Makes sense
No sfx for laws power
No lines for laws power
Nothing.
But sure keep making shit up.

 

[Kuro Ashi]

No you didn't show shit.
Law saved everyone but no one even implies he did. Makes sense
No sfx for laws power
No lines for laws power
Nothing.
But sure keep making shit up.

If Zoro didn't move he was done for.

It's already established that they can't escape the attack as it comes towards them, so someone moved Zoro as he was holding it back.

The attack would kill all five of them, it's a fact acknowledged by Zoro. Zoro bought time so that all five of them can get away.

They got away.

The very premise of this whole moment is that what you're claiming Zoro did is impossible for Zoro and everyone else combined.

 

[HA001]

If Zoro didn't move he was done for.

It's already established that they can't escape the attack as it comes towards them, so someone moved Zoro as he was holding it back.

The attack would kill all five of them, it's a fact acknowledged by Zoro. Zoro bought time so that all five of them can get away.

They got away.

The very premise of this whole moment is that what you're claiming Zoro did is impossible for Zoro and everyone else combined.

Not the first time zoro took an attack that killed him and survived.

Every single one of your points is piss poor

 

[Kuro Ashi]

Not the first time zoro took an attack that killed him and survived.

Every single one of your points is piss poor

You guys are taking Zoro's best moment since TB and and using it in such a pathetic way it honestly disgusts me.

You literally shit on the fact that Zoro stood in front of this attack knowing it's something that would kill all five of them combined to buy the others time, solely to turn it into the most cringe push for some unquantifiable power scaling feat.

 

[HA001]

You guys are taking Zoro's best moment since TB and and using it in such a pathetic way it honestly disgusts me.

You literally shit on the fact that Zoro stood in front of this attack knowing it's something that would kill all five of them combined to buy the others time, solely to turn it into the most cringe push for some unquantifiable power scaling feat.

Waaaah waaaah keep fucking crying.

NOTHING in the manga shows zoro moved by Law

What disgusts me is you and how pathetic and shit your points are.

 

[Finalbeta]

The VIZ shows that Law admitted that Zoro took the strike so since there was an alleged barrier haki set and an explosion it's very intuitive to suggest he wasn't teleported , most probably, in that there was no need post attack and also it seems that Law most likely teleported the others during the attack was being blocked so Zoro was not included in that case.