General & Others Luffy's Proclamations
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If this is about ZKK, then nothing that happened this chapter at all surprised me or means it can’t happen. Here’s a quick collection of all the stuff I’ve said well before the last chapter was released about how I expect things to go down, with the most relevant parts in bold
Who beat Don Krieg, Luffy or Gin?
Or to put the cat even more among the pigeons, who beat Monet, Zoro or Tashigi?
If ZKK happens Luffy will still be the one who beats Kaido in a fight. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Luffy will overcome hybrid Kaido- the strongest form of Kaido- in a fight, but the thing the Scabbards talked about- it ain’t over until Kaido is dead- will then come into play, super Zoan recovery rate and Kaido’s own unnatural body will come into play, he’ll recover, go into dragon form and that’s when Zoro kills him- like Ryuma, killing a dragon, not a dragon-man hybrid.
If ZKK happens, I can guarantee that’s how it will go down.
Ah look, at one point I still cared about Zoro vs King. That was before I thought Oda would give Zoro so much of a fight against Kaido
This is as far as I can tell, the first time I said that ZKK could happen, and only if...
I’m sure there’s more, but my argument has always been that Luffy would take on Kaido one vs one at some point and come out the clear winner. But for Zoro, he was always going to cut down Kaido as a dragon, above the flower capital, so that the legend of Ryuma can get a modern day retelling. And if Kaido is to die- and unlike other villains, there is a very, very good reason to think he is- then that’s a damn good time to do it.
So this last chapter, the only mildly surprising thing for me was that the 1 vs 1 phase has started (comparatively) early and opened back up Zoro vs King.
Who beat Don Krieg, Luffy or Gin?
Or to put the cat even more among the pigeons, who beat Monet, Zoro or Tashigi?
If ZKK happens Luffy will still be the one who beats Kaido in a fight. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Luffy will overcome hybrid Kaido- the strongest form of Kaido- in a fight, but the thing the Scabbards talked about- it ain’t over until Kaido is dead- will then come into play, super Zoan recovery rate and Kaido’s own unnatural body will come into play, he’ll recover, go into dragon form and that’s when Zoro kills him- like Ryuma, killing a dragon, not a dragon-man hybrid.
If ZKK happens, I can guarantee that’s how it will go down.
If ZKk happens, it’ll be after Luffy’s already beat Hyrbido in a 1 vs 1 but he gets back up again because of awakening.
With a scene like that.
Then it’ll be Dragon Kaido that Zoro kills, cause that’s what all the parallels with Ryuma are about.
We might even see three separate Kaido defeats. A round one defeat, where the Supernova all “beat“ him. Here Zoro’s big role will be opening the scar.
Then a recovery round 2, where he gets up and displays his powers of recovery with Awakening and knocks out everyone bar Luffy. Then you can get the Luffy vs Kaido one-vs-one where Luffy comes out on top, and Luffy shows himself to be the strongest fighter, the only one who can go toe to toe, solo, with Hybrido and win.
Then a final round, Zoan awakening kicks in again and that’s where Zoro lands the final killing blow on dragon form Kaido.
I think that would satisfy the most people. Luffy proves himself the better all-round fighter, Zoro still plays a huge role in the defeat of Kaido and it’s not really an execution per se.
With a scene like that.
Then it’ll be Dragon Kaido that Zoro kills, cause that’s what all the parallels with Ryuma are about.
We might even see three separate Kaido defeats. A round one defeat, where the Supernova all “beat“ him. Here Zoro’s big role will be opening the scar.
Then a recovery round 2, where he gets up and displays his powers of recovery with Awakening and knocks out everyone bar Luffy. Then you can get the Luffy vs Kaido one-vs-one where Luffy comes out on top, and Luffy shows himself to be the strongest fighter, the only one who can go toe to toe, solo, with Hybrido and win.
Then a final round, Zoan awakening kicks in again and that’s where Zoro lands the final killing blow on dragon form Kaido.
I think that would satisfy the most people. Luffy proves himself the better all-round fighter, Zoro still plays a huge role in the defeat of Kaido and it’s not really an execution per se.
Ah look, at one point I still cared about Zoro vs King. That was before I thought Oda would give Zoro so much of a fight against Kaido
This is as far as I can tell, the first time I said that ZKK could happen, and only if...
I’m sure there’s more, but my argument has always been that Luffy would take on Kaido one vs one at some point and come out the clear winner. But for Zoro, he was always going to cut down Kaido as a dragon, above the flower capital, so that the legend of Ryuma can get a modern day retelling. And if Kaido is to die- and unlike other villains, there is a very, very good reason to think he is- then that’s a damn good time to do it.
So this last chapter, the only mildly surprising thing for me was that the 1 vs 1 phase has started (comparatively) early and opened back up Zoro vs King.
Thread wasn't about who will kill Kaido neither the poll was but only who will defeat him (land the final blow).
Everyone knows here Luffy don't kill so it wouldn't even be an option and even less the most choosen of the poll.
You lied or you can't understand easy sentences (which will be a big issue since you tried to argue about Zoro killing Kaido)
Everyone knows here Luffy don't kill so it wouldn't even be an option and even less the most choosen of the poll.
You lied or you can't understand easy sentences (which will be a big issue since you tried to argue about Zoro killing Kaido)
Dude, Thread says "Final Attack"
So if Luffy Knocks Out Kaido & then he Get back up & Zoro Beheads him
Zoro's Attack will be called "Final Attack"
I didn't even say the word "Kill" in my Reply to you
You clearly can't Read anything so i won't bother explaining again
Believe whatever you want to believe
So if Luffy Knocks Out Kaido & then he Get back up & Zoro Beheads him
Zoro's Attack will be called "Final Attack"
I didn't even say the word "Kill" in my Reply to you
You clearly can't Read anything so i won't bother explaining again
Believe whatever you want to believe
The pattern is not convincing at all.
First of all Luffy claiming about crushing all four yonko is ambiguous. Would he crush Shanks either? Physically? Maybe he meant surpass?
Second, in one panel he also says: "we", lastly I explained my point about "I've got this" several times:
First of all Luffy claiming about crushing all four yonko is ambiguous. Would he crush Shanks either? Physically? Maybe he meant surpass?
Second, in one panel he also says: "we", lastly I explained my point about "I've got this" several times:
In relation to several claims of Zoro disobeying to Luffy's orders; let me say two things:
- First of all, what happened was situational. Luffy shouting "I've got this" is merely in that Zoro was off for that moment, he never orders him to stay down or infers to solo Kaido.
- Second, if his captain was endangered, Zoro would factually attempt to save him:
- First of all, what happened was situational. Luffy shouting "I've got this" is merely in that Zoro was off for that moment, he never orders him to stay down or infers to solo Kaido.
- Second, if his captain was endangered, Zoro would factually attempt to save him:
It wasn't a thread about Final attack but who will land the final blow which will defeat Kaido at the end of their confrontation. First sentence of the OP.
If you answer Zoro you basically say Luffy won't defeat Kaido ever.
You have reading issues.
Moreover if you believe Zoro will land the final attack, you can't say Luffy has defeated Kaido.
That's mean Kaido isn't defeated.
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@Paperchampion23 Yo could you add a poll with who believes in ZKK, Luffy solo, Kaido lives options, or wtvr u feel makes sense.
Anyways, glad this came up, wanted to talk some ZKK. I’m positive most Zoro fans believe Luffy is taking on Kaido right now until he’s out of hybrid. I’m simply not going to reiterate common points others address.
Basically I see Luffy defeating Kaido and Big Mom this arc. I see Kid putting in a big chunk of damage, Law as well. But ultimately it’s Luffys roles to be responsible for the downfall of the Yonko just like it he did to most warlords (Allies with Jinbei, Boa, Mihawk helps Zoro, Kuma helps him; Defeats Croc, Moria, Doffy).
Given Luffy takes down both Yonko, it has to exclusively be through his own hands and/or his crew bc this is the story of the strawhats, which a lot of Kid fans don’t get. Kid is not defeating either Yonko. Oda coulda had Law defeat Doffy but Luffy did so.
Zoro has way too big a role this arc to take a back seat now. Going thru all points is honestly a pain. Bu it boils down to paralleling Thriller Bark and Wano.
Several places throughout the story, magazines, SBS, where Oda introduces little teases of Zoro being the next Ryuma, slaying western dragon, getting shusui, cutting PH dragon, coming to Wano and Kaido IS a Weatern Dragon. Then we have all the recent SBS where Zoro is directly tied to Kaido and his sword were to have his devil fruit.
The information you presented indicates that Luffy will defeat Kaido. Which most people already accept. The thing is, a Yonko is an overwhelming force that you don’t just beat by punching to the ground. Rob Lucci healing up has put him back to first place as a front runner for CP0, Kaido healing up just makes him energetic to become that much stronger. You realize he will continue wreaking havoc on the world? And his death is the only solution.
Anyways, glad this came up, wanted to talk some ZKK. I’m positive most Zoro fans believe Luffy is taking on Kaido right now until he’s out of hybrid. I’m simply not going to reiterate common points others address.
Basically I see Luffy defeating Kaido and Big Mom this arc. I see Kid putting in a big chunk of damage, Law as well. But ultimately it’s Luffys roles to be responsible for the downfall of the Yonko just like it he did to most warlords (Allies with Jinbei, Boa, Mihawk helps Zoro, Kuma helps him; Defeats Croc, Moria, Doffy).
Given Luffy takes down both Yonko, it has to exclusively be through his own hands and/or his crew bc this is the story of the strawhats, which a lot of Kid fans don’t get. Kid is not defeating either Yonko. Oda coulda had Law defeat Doffy but Luffy did so.
Zoro has way too big a role this arc to take a back seat now. Going thru all points is honestly a pain. Bu it boils down to paralleling Thriller Bark and Wano.
- 2 Yonko/2 Shichibukai
- Zombie Hogback Animals/Gifters
- Rocks Tease/Rocks In the Flesh
- Shusui/Enma
- Team Defeat of Oars/Supernova vs Kaido
- Soul Soul Powers/Shadow Shadow Powers
- Ryuma Origin/Ryuma Continuity
- Hogback/Caesar or Queen
- Hogback & Chopper / Queen & Chopper
- Absalom Invisibility/Raid Shit
- At the end of TB Zoro gets big moment that goes under the radar. Wano the same thing is due to happen
Several places throughout the story, magazines, SBS, where Oda introduces little teases of Zoro being the next Ryuma, slaying western dragon, getting shusui, cutting PH dragon, coming to Wano and Kaido IS a Weatern Dragon. Then we have all the recent SBS where Zoro is directly tied to Kaido and his sword were to have his devil fruit.
The information you presented indicates that Luffy will defeat Kaido. Which most people already accept. The thing is, a Yonko is an overwhelming force that you don’t just beat by punching to the ground. Rob Lucci healing up has put him back to first place as a front runner for CP0, Kaido healing up just makes him energetic to become that much stronger. You realize he will continue wreaking havoc on the world? And his death is the only solution.
I think about ZKK and it have a lot of similiraties with two Characters in DB
Vegeta : First time you see him, you will say he's not like the others Villains so far.
You can't Just beat him he needs to be killed.
Goku choose to let him alive later Vegeta comeback as an ally and a member of Team Z.
Freezer : He don't come back as an ally but once he was defeated him and all his underlings he wasn't a threat anymore. He came back to be an HypeTool for Goku and Trunks.
Freezeer needed to be killed way more than Kaido
He killed Krilin in front of Goku and was ready to kill Gohan
He Killed all the sayans and Nameks and was a tyrant in the universe.
This is worse than everything Kaido did.
He should also have been Killed by Vegeta by your standards as he destroyed his planet.
But nothing just defeated and used as an HypeTool.
Goku just taked the DB, and broke Freezer's dream of being Immortal
(Kaido's dream of dying or conquer the world thanks to the Poneglyhs, that Luffy will take)
Pain Killed Jiraya, hinata and wasn't kilked
I could spent hours on this topic.
Vegeta : First time you see him, you will say he's not like the others Villains so far.
You can't Just beat him he needs to be killed.
Goku choose to let him alive later Vegeta comeback as an ally and a member of Team Z.
Freezer : He don't come back as an ally but once he was defeated him and all his underlings he wasn't a threat anymore. He came back to be an HypeTool for Goku and Trunks.
Freezeer needed to be killed way more than Kaido
He killed Krilin in front of Goku and was ready to kill Gohan
He Killed all the sayans and Nameks and was a tyrant in the universe.
This is worse than everything Kaido did.
He should also have been Killed by Vegeta by your standards as he destroyed his planet.
But nothing just defeated and used as an HypeTool.
Goku just taked the DB, and broke Freezer's dream of being Immortal
(Kaido's dream of dying or conquer the world thanks to the Poneglyhs, that Luffy will take)
Pain Killed Jiraya, hinata and wasn't kilked
I could spent hours on this topic.
Frieza still died and not to the mc. That's the point.
The only kill goku actually got in z was kidd but out of all the main villains.
On topic. Post wano luffy won't be > kaido
Kaido can ko luffy at any time and IF there's no one to save him easily kill him.
Not the same as goku who once went ssj was > freiza.
The only kill goku actually got in z was kidd but out of all the main villains.
On topic. Post wano luffy won't be > kaido
Kaido can ko luffy at any time and IF there's no one to save him easily kill him.
Not the same as goku who once went ssj was > freiza.
Yes because he came back as an HypeTool not because he will destroy everything and start again (like we read for ZKK) it's make a huge difference.
Who Told you. If he beats Kaido in a final 1v1 and broke his records. He will likely be stronger or strong enough to defeat him if he came back.
At the start of the fight but not anymore. If he could he wouldn't be pissed of that luffy get up again.
They had a long fight even after Goku went SSJ and they were pretty close.
The difference was made during the year after the fight. (Goku had time to practice with SSJ, like Luffy will have to practice with AdCoA and AdCoC)
Who Told you. If he beats Kaido in a final 1v1 and broke his records. He will likely be stronger or strong enough to defeat him if he came back.
At the start of the fight but not anymore. If he could he wouldn't be pissed of that luffy get up again.
They had a long fight even after Goku went SSJ and they were pretty close.
The difference was made during the year after the fight. (Goku had time to practice with SSJ, like Luffy will have to practice with AdCoA and AdCoC)
Tbh this is not really true.
Zoro bonded with Hiyori,O-Toko,Yasu and the Ebisu people specifically and felt their pain and despair through the smile effects on them.
Luffy on the other hand bonded with Tama in Kuri and then various imprisoned people(thousands) from all Wano regions in Udon; he got infected with Queen's virus and helped them overcome their fears of challenging Kaidou and Orochi.
Zoro may have traveled more through Wano but he certainly didn't bond with more Wano citizens than luffy.
Zoro bonded with Hiyori,O-Toko,Yasu and the Ebisu people specifically and felt their pain and despair through the smile effects on them.
Luffy on the other hand bonded with Tama in Kuri and then various imprisoned people(thousands) from all Wano regions in Udon; he got infected with Queen's virus and helped them overcome their fears of challenging Kaidou and Orochi.
Zoro may have traveled more through Wano but he certainly didn't bond with more Wano citizens than luffy.
Before AdCoC. AdCoC improves Luffy's defence. Just see how he deflected Kaido's Kanabo first time he did this yet.
Yeah Zoro and Law did a great job without them it will be tough. Now their roles isn't to defeat Kaido maybe Law but I don't think.
Luffy fought Fodders all his way to the Top, had a little skirmish with Yamato, PageOne and Ulti and taked 2 free shots from Apoo.
That's a lot too.
I'm just talking about the final 1vs1. I don't count everything they did before.
(By your Logic Luffy didn't get a clean 1vs1 since Crocodile I think).
It last for something like 5 hours in the anime. As for the manga I forget how much cahpters those 5min lasts
Yeah Zoro and Law did a great job without them it will be tough. Now their roles isn't to defeat Kaido maybe Law but I don't think.
Luffy fought Fodders all his way to the Top, had a little skirmish with Yamato, PageOne and Ulti and taked 2 free shots from Apoo.
That's a lot too.
I'm just talking about the final 1vs1. I don't count everything they did before.
(By your Logic Luffy didn't get a clean 1vs1 since Crocodile I think).
It last for something like 5 hours in the anime. As for the manga I forget how much cahpters those 5min lasts
Did you just compare luffy fighting gifters and his interactions with apoo to the 14 people kaido fought ? Really ?
You think kaidos not gonna hit luffy again and luffys just gonna one shot him next chapter ?
Every time luffy knocks kaido down he gets up and knocks luffy out.
5 mins is 5 mins I don't care how many episodes.
You think kaidos not gonna hit luffy again and luffys just gonna one shot him next chapter ?
Every time luffy knocks kaido down he gets up and knocks luffy out.
5 mins is 5 mins I don't care how many episodes.