Speculations 5 reasons why Sanji will not fight King.

Sorry I moved my post to the Queen thread.


But you're actually helping my point lol. Queen is fine despite some fans wanting Sanji to aim at the next guy up. He looks underwhelming but for Sanji there is truly nothing wrong with it as a solo win and Oda wouldn't have to strain to come up with a way for him to beat a guy already out of his league.
If he can write him beating Queen then can also write him beating King and the latter wont go against established storylines. Every strawhat right now is facing someone they should technically die to excluding jinbei, giving king to sanji will not be something to flinch at. And there is a stylistic element to this that oda cares about, queen vs sanji will not look as good as king vs sanji, the author cares about theses things since he is a visual storyteller.
 
This makes absolutely no sense.

First of all how do we even determine what kind of growth she underwent when we know so little of what she went through in details?

Only thing we can cling on is to speculate circa the chance she grew more than Jinbe did, specifically by the time she fought with Ace till today; and there's no substantial reason for now to believe she more probably didn't grow more, due the kind of environment she would experience compared to Jinbe's. And even that is a mystery, this is why I call it bet to begin with.

In other words we can at least more safely assume that a Full Power Yamato is probably stronger than Jinbe going by that notion and pinning the full power factor in.
The problem is the starting lines aren’t even.

Even if Yamato grew more than Jinbe did; why are you so certain Yamato and Jinbe started at the same measure?

Luffy in the span of weeks grew exponentially once he started invading the territories of the Emperors, how do you know Ace didn’t have similar growth by the time he fought Jinbe since he was also going through territories at the time.
 
If he can write him beating Queen then can also write him beating King and the latter wont go against established storylines. Every strawhat right now is facing someone they should technically die to excluding jinbei, giving king to sanji will not be something to flinch at. And there is a stylistic element to this that oda cares about, queen vs sanji will not look as good as king vs sanji, the author cares about theses things since he is a visual storyteller.
Queen has more visual appeal imo since he's drawn more white than black. Trying to do Raid Suit vs King when they're gonna be hardening with Haki sounds like a total pain in the ass.

Zoro sought Kaido. Usopp and Nami don't want smoke, but the smoke is coming to them so they're forced to have to exceed themselves. WW has good numbers and mystery on his side, Sasaki has sheer force. Robin vs a legit officer is something we haven't even touched since Skypiea, and that's if we're being generous to Yama. Those are the fights so far. Sanji got pinned by King and like Usopp, wants no smoke. But unlike Usopp, he has agency to choose his fights, as we saw him just opt out of one. Is he heading to King? No. He has no interest.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
The problem is the starting lines aren’t even.

Even if Yamato grew more than Jinbe did; why are you so certain Yamato and Jinbe started at the same measure?

Luffy in the span of weeks grew exponentially once he started invading the territories of the Emperors, how do you know Ace didn’t have similar growth by the time he fought Jinbe since he was also going through territories at the time.
Because there's no substantial element suggesting that Ace grew more in relation with Yamato during that small timeframe. Remember that he presumably fought Jinbe right after encountering Yamato or close that, so still being a rookie and before joining the WB Pirates.

Don't put words into my mouth with that certain, please.
 
Queen has more visual appeal imo since he's drawn more white than black. Trying to do Raid Suit vs King when they're gonna be hardening with Haki sounds like a total pain in the ass.

Zoro sought Kaido. Usopp and Nami don't want smoke, but the smoke is coming to them so they're forced to have to exceed themselves. WW has good numbers and mystery on his side, Sasaki has sheer force. Robin vs a legit officer is something we haven't even touched since Skypiea, and that's if we're being generous to Yama. Those are the fights so far. Sanji got pinned by King and like Usopp, wants no smoke. But unlike Usopp, he has agency to choose his fights, as we saw him just opt out of one. Is he heading to King? No. He has no interest.
But what if King heads to where sanji is heading? we know sanji engages in fights through the want to protect....he is heading to momo, maybe momo at some point will need protection from king its really not difficult to write this since we already have the foundation of that relationship established early on in the raid. The visual thing is subjective but most people would agree that an aerial battle between 2 dudes that use kicks and fire is cooler its shallow i know but it matters. The point about sanji wanting no smoke makes no sense, he does not fear king never shown any sign of fear and it goes against sanji character to fear a potential opponent in a war where he is one of its top fighters.
 
But what if King heads to where sanji is heading? we know sanji engages in fights through the want to protect....he is heading to momo, maybe momo at some point will need protection from king its really not difficult to write this since we already have the foundation of that relationship established early on in the raid. The visual thing is subjective but most people would agree that an aerial battle between 2 dudes that use kicks and fire is cooler its shallow i know but it matters. The point about sanji wanting no smoke makes no sense, he does not fear king never shown any sign of fear and it goes against sanji character to fear a potential opponent in a war where he is one of its top fighters.
I'm not saying it's impossible. King tried to kill Momo so they can definitely fight again that way. What I said though is Sanji has no interest in fighting King and that's obviously true, with nothing to do about fear. He wasn't afraid of Doflamingo either despite the ass kicking, and he wouldn't even fear the emperors if he got cornered. But there's no point in that fight until Sanji figures that there's no other option despite his lack of interest.

Meanwhile, Queen can probably show his own interest and get him hot with all the Judge talk
 
Queen has more visual appeal imo since he's drawn more white than black. Trying to do Raid Suit vs King when they're gonna be hardening with Haki sounds like a total pain in the ass.

Zoro sought Kaido. Usopp and Nami don't want smoke, but the smoke is coming to them so they're forced to have to exceed themselves. WW has good numbers and mystery on his side, Sasaki has sheer force. Robin vs a legit officer is something we haven't even touched since Skypiea, and that's if we're being generous to Yama. Those are the fights so far. Sanji got pinned by King and like Usopp, wants no smoke. But unlike Usopp, he has agency to choose his fights, as we saw him just opt out of one. Is he heading to King? No. He has no interest.
Also to add to this, sanji rarely seeks his opponents like in EL he fought jabra to protect ussop, nami and zoro, in TB he fought absalon to save/protect nami, arlong park to protect luffy, mr.2 to protect vivi and page one to protect the town that was being destroyed.
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I'm not saying it's impossible. King tried to kill Momo so they can definitely fight again that way. What I said though is Sanji has no interest in fighting King and that's obviously true, with nothing ti do about fear. He wasn't afraid of Doflamingo either despite the ass kicking, and he wouldn't even fear the emperors if he got cornered. But there's no point in that fight until Sanji figures that there's no other option despite his lack of interest.

Meanwhile, Queen can probably show his own interest and get him hot with all the Judge talk
No i agree with you definitely i am just saying that need to fight king will occur in the future.
 
I'm not saying it's impossible. King tried to kill Momo so they can definitely fight again that way. What I said though is Sanji has no interest in fighting King and that's obviously true, with nothing to do about fear. He wasn't afraid of Doflamingo either despite the ass kicking, and he wouldn't even fear the emperors if he got cornered. But there's no point in that fight until Sanji figures that there's no other option despite his lack of interest.

Meanwhile, Queen can probably show his own interest and get him hot with all the Judge talk
I agree with a lot of what youre saying, but in your opinion, Who will fight King if not Sanji?
 
Why would Marco continue fighting king and not queen... Marcos fighting both of them and even after queen tried attacking someone else Marco still kept his attention on queen as well.

Marcos going to b taken out soon
Don't think so remember that Marco was considered to be the new younko and also he is there for something yeah he is tired but that should be a fair match against King.Sanji has only to take Queen of him and Chopper will fight perspero Witherspoon Carrot's help
That is how i see
 
Don't think so remember that Marco was considered to be the new younko and also he is there for something yeah he is tired but that should be a fair match against King.Sanji has only to take Queen of him and Chopper will fight perspero Witherspoon Carrot's help
That is how i see
Why would sanji go to queen when he is headed to momo …why would marco say to king that you are facing the new gen and cp0 say that the new gen will face the executives if marco will take king out when he will clearly be taken out by pero?
 
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Don't think so remember that Marco was considered to be the new younko and also he is there for something yeah he is tired but that should be a fair match against King.Sanji has only to take Queen of him and Chopper will fight perspero Witherspoon Carrot's help
That is how i see
The way I see it, there’s no reason for Sanji to fight Queen if Marcos still standing because Marco is fighting both.

The way I see it Marco is going to get shot in the back by Perosperos arrow that he was afraid of earlier taking him out of the fight.

After that Carrot and Bepo will fight Pero
 
Why would sanji go to queen when he is headed to …why would marco say to king that you are facing the new gen and cp0 say that the new gen will face the executives if marco will take king out when he will clearly be taken out by pero?
The way I see it, there’s no reason for Sanji to fight Queen if Marcos still standing because Marco is fighting both.

The way I see it Marco is going to get shot in the back by Perosperos arrow that he was afraid of earlier taking him out of the fight.

After that Carrot and Bepo will fight Pero
I don't want to reply here anymore until the matches are Settled
This is how i see
Marco vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Chopper +carrot vs Peros
Sanji's level at the end of Wano should be YC2 not 1
 
I don't want to reply here anymore until the matches are Settled
This is how i see
Marco vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Chopper +carrot vs Peros
Sanji's level at the end of Wano should be YC2 not 1
Those levels don't exist, purely made up by the fandom with no real consistency and queen has not been shown to be an inferior threat to king.....actually everything suggests their pretty much relative so sanji beating queen decisively would pretty much make him capable of beating king through portrayal.
 
I don't want to reply here anymore until the matches are Settled
This is how i see
Marco vs King
Sanji vs Queen
Chopper +carrot vs Peros
Sanji's level at the end of Wano should be YC2 not 1
This is about the straw hats surpassing the previous generation, Sanji will be surpassing Marco this arc.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
Sanji will be surpassing Marco this arc.
There's absolute no firm indicator regarding that, no reason to be too confident for now :kayneshrug:

Even if Sanji v King occurred and finished with Sanji victorious in a 1 on1 , which is unlikely, aforementined scenario would not be automatically implicated.
 
After Zoro getting CoC I wouldn’t be surprised if Sanji got it as well, tho there’s a good chance for Usopp to get it only due to lying about having it cuz as we know Usopp’s lies always come to reality in some why of form. I honestly never thought about Usopp getting CoC prior lying about it so we gotta wait and see.
 
There's absolute no firm indicator regarding that, no reason to be too confident for now :kayneshrug:

Even if Sanji v King occurred and finished with Sanji victorious in a 1 on1 , which is unlikely, aforementined scenario would not be automatically implicated.
Sanji isn’t only fighting a calamity in this arc. Besides after Calamities, who do you think is left to fight for Sanji? Beckman then the BB matchup both who are going to be stronger than Marco. So yeah he will be at least as strong as Marco if not stronger.
 
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