ONE PIECE CHAPTER 1011: RED BEAN CODE OF HONOR

[Peroroncino]

Zoro couldn't cut steel until he just learned it on the spot when fighting mr.1, you don't think if sanji fought mr.1 he could just get a powerup like zoro did? or being as smart as he is just figure out a way to win without needing to break steel. Look at anti manner kick course, sanji can kick with force mr.2 never showed back in alabasta, so if a normal kick like that could send mr.1 back a well placed kick from sanji could do much more.

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Well doriki didn't measure the effects a carnivorous zoan has, which is stated to be a more ferocious type in combat, jabra also was the only one capable of moving while using tekkai and you are forgetting that jabra had been using his fruit for longer than kaku had. Besides sanji was beat up badly before engaging with Jabra and still finished his fight faster than zoro. So ya swords are an addition but then its all up to debate as to how much in boosted him, I may say it boosted him 20 percent you may say 50 percent who knows whats important is Oda chose to make them that close.

Ferocious doesn't mean stronger in fact the ferocity may make them dumber and less capable of tactics weakening them also giraffes have the strongest kick in the planet and kaku had the strongest rankyaku without it so add that to his power too

 

[pg13]

Zoro couldn't cut steel until he just learned it on the spot when fighting mr.1, you don't think if sanji fought mr.1 he could just get a powerup like zoro did? or being as smart as he is just figure out a way to win without needing to break steel. Look at anti manner kick course, sanji can kick with force mr.2 never showed back in alabasta, so if a normal kick like that could send mr.1 back a well placed kick from sanji could do much more.

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Well doriki didn't measure the effects a carnivorous zoan has, which is stated to be a more ferocious type in combat, jabra also was the only one capable of moving while using tekkai and you are forgetting that jabra had been using his fruit for longer than kaku had. Besides sanji was beat up badly before engaging with Jabra and still finished his fight faster than zoro. So ya swords are an addition but then its all up to debate as to how much it boosted him, I may say it boosted him 20 percent you may say 50 percent who knows whats important is Oda chose to make them that close.

Argument is Flawed because Sanji does not grow like Zoro does in fights.

 

[Taper]

Ferocious doesn't mean stronger in fact the ferocity may make them dumber and less capable of tactics weakening them also giraffes have the strongest kick in the planet and kaku had the strongest rankyaku without it so add that to his power too

But you see what I mean, we can go on and on adding things to both but ultimately what we fall back to is the most unambiguous, which is doriki itself. Jabra was not shown to be incompetent, he actually tried to trick sanji during their fight and its also your opinion that it makes them dumber, I may say it makes them more dangerous and you have no way to disapprove that.

 

[Peroroncino]

But you see what I mean, we can go on and on adding things to both but ultimately what we fall back to is the most unambiguous, which is doriki itself. Jabra was not shown to be incompetent, he actually tried to trick sanji during their fight and its also your opinion that it makes them dumber, I may say it makes them more dangerous and you have no way to disapprove that.

you also have no way to disprove the power up from devil fruits but you keep pretending it doesn't exist anyway

 

[Taper]

Argument is Flawed because Sanji does not grow like Zoro does in fights.

They all grow during their fights to be capable of winning/beating their respective opponents, so saying it would not happen to sanji just because he doesn't grow during fights is flawed in itself and has no basis.

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you also have no way to disprove the power up from devil fruits but you keep pretending it doesn't exist anyway

No but we have clear dialogue telling us that doriki and df are not correlated.

 

[Peroroncino]

They all grow during their fights to be capable of winning/beating their respective opponents, so saying it would not happen to sanji just because he doesn't grow during fights is flawed in itself and has no basis.

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No but we have clear dialogue telling us that doriki and df are not correlated.

we also know that zoans increase physical ability the exact same thing that was measured there.

 

[draganax]

Yea Mr.2 only looked good whenever Mr.1 Wasn't using his abilities. And he didn't do any damage he just sent him flying. I dont think Sanji could defeat Mr.1 until Diable Jambe was introduced.

yeah, zoro was clearly much stronger in that fight, mr. 1 had the advantage of the DF he didn't even take blunt damage, but once zoro knew how to cut steel he got one shoted

 

[zzShinichi]

She's looking fucking stunned as he'll.
Poor girl though. Maybe she'll finally enter this plane of reality.

If she tries to headbutt Big Mom in the next chapter, she will be my number 1 girl.
She's currently standing at like 3 or 4

 

[Taper]

we also know that zoans increase physical ability the exact same thing that was measured there.

We are going around in circles arguing something that is clear, I provided panels you provided headcanon anyway I am walking away from this discussion.

 

[Peroroncino]

If she tries to headbutt Big Mom in the next chapter, she will be my number 1 girl.
She's currently standing at like 3 or 4

ulti after she tried to headbutt big mom

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We are going around in circles arguing something that is clear, I provided panel you provided headcanon anyway I am walking away from this discussion.

yes it's my headcanon that devil fruits are a powerup, i see sanji fans ain't getting any smarter

 

[Ravagerblade]

If she tries to headbutt Big Mom in the next chapter, she will be my number 1 girl.
She's currently standing at like 3 or 4

I'm hoping she'll at least attempt to. Even in the face of a powerful Yonko she'll bite back. I wouldn't mind a little apprehension though. Maybe in the way of just seeing her brother pounded.
3 or 4 huh?

 

[Peroroncino]

I'm hoping she'll at least attempt to. Even in the face of a powerful Yonko she'll bite back. I wouldn't mind a little apprehension though. Maybe in the way of just seeing her brother pounded.
3 or 4 huh?

what if she runs away?

 

[Finalbeta]

Ulti would potentially get killed if she matched Big Mom physical strenght or simply more generically power wise.

Of course extensive PIS is a solid answer in certain circumstances.

 

[pg13]

They all grow during their fights to be capable of winning/beating their respective opponents, so saying it would not happen to sanji just because he doesn't grow during fights is flawed in itself and has no basis.

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No but we have clear dialogue telling us that doriki and df are not correlated.

I mean.... bro come on..... Sanji in total has like 3 prominent Power ups in the one piece series, Infact its actually 2. Since Sky walk has not mattered in any fight Sanji has had. So its really just Diable Jambe and the Raid Suit.

compare that to Zoro who has atleast 7-8 powerups in the series. They dont Grow the same way bruh...

 

[Ravagerblade]

what if she runs away?

Well that would suck. But strange things have happened.

 

[NAMELESS]

Zoans do change the users behavior thought!it was stated in the manga!Ulti's preference for headbutts as an attack in base could be a behavioral thing!Ulti has strong coa and decent strength even in base!

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I mean.... bro come on..... Sanji in total has like 3 prominent Power ups in the one piece series, Infact its actually 2. Since Sky walk has not mattered in any fight Sanji has had. So its really just Diable Jambe and the Raid Suit.

compare that to Zoro who has atleast 7-8 powerups in the series. They dont Grow the same way bruh...

For Eos Sanji:I could see him having future sight,learning rankyaku(flying slashes with leg kicks),improved raid suit by franky,unlocking his exoeskeleton,new diable jamble related power up(blue flames maybe) and improving his base stats(coa,strenght,speed,etc...)!People need to remember that Sanji is a cook that dreams about the all blue!
For Eos Zoro:three black blades,advanced coa(internal destruction),unlocking conquerors haki,improving other stats:speed,strenght,coo,etc...maybe learn sky walk too!
For Eos Luffy:stronger than Roger!Strongest character in the verse!
Other straw hats:improving their fighting styles to the limit and unlocking some basic haki that suits their fighting style(like ussop unlocking coo)!

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Wororororor!!!
... parece que você está gostando dessa luta...
quanto mais desesperado é o risco onde você se encontra...

mais você rir!
Qual parte ele não completou?

lol this dude kaido d stronger
he's actually laughing like kaido
what would you do when the arc ends d stronger
who else do you like in one piece

 

[Taper]

I mean.... bro come on..... Sanji in total has like 3 prominent Power ups in the one piece series, Infact its actually 2. Since Sky walk has not mattered in any fight Sanji has had. So its really just Diable Jambe and the Raid Suit.

compare that to Zoro who has atleast 7-8 powerups in the series. They dont Grow the same way bruh...

Sanjis powerups will not be as obivous as zoros, he gets new swords and we can see that, sanji is not going to get new shoes to indicate he kicks harder, he will just be faster and kick harder. Sanji has gotten diable, HM, Sky walk and the raid suit that's just what we know of, along side haki of course but that's standard, this arc he will probably unlock something new and his suit will be upgraded. So no what you are saying is incorrect.

 

[NAMELESS]

Sanjis powerups will not be as obivous as zoros, he gets new swords and we can see than, sanji is not going to get new shoes to indicate he kicks harder, he will just be faster and kick harder. Sanji has gotten diable, HM, Sky walk and the raid suit that's just what we know of, along side haki of course but that's standard, this arc he will probably unlock something new and his suit will be upgraded. So no what you are saying is incorrect.

Luffy can't skywalk in base,so that means Sanji's legs are stronger than luffy's!I also think Sanji is as fast as g2 luffy!

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Sanjis powerups will not be as obivous as zoros, he gets new swords and we can see that, sanji is not going to get new shoes to indicate he kicks harder, he will just be faster and kick harder. Sanji has gotten diable, HM, Sky walk and the raid suit that's just what we know of, along side haki of course but that's standard, this arc he will probably unlock something new and his suit will be upgraded. So no what you are saying is incorrect.

We don't even know if Sanji is hiding some new technique he hasn't used yet!

 

[pg13]

Luffy can't skywalk in base,so that means Sanji's legs are stronger than luffy's!I also think Sanji is as fast as g2 luffy!

Sanji has better kicking technique than Luffy, idk if his legs stronger tho, Luffys a physical monster and uses Kicks a lot in combat as well.