Powers & Abilities Does Kaido or Big Mom have Ryuo or what?
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What do you mean, no? When KAIDO was suffering damage from the remnants (samurai), he talked about them having the same Ryou as ODEN, ZORO cut KAIDO with tatsumaki, although it was superficially.We saw Luffy punch KAIDO with normal COA, Base Kaido 0 damage(chapter 921), following the logic, you can only cut KAIDO with ACOA (Ryou), And even if you’re cutting it’s superficial.
Luffy punches with ACOA = Superficial damage.
ZORO cuts with ACOA(Tatsumaki) and other attacks, while the fight was OFF. = Superficial.
Luffy Blows with ADCOC = causing recognizable damage.
Asura with ADCOC = Recognizable damage.
Luffy punches with ACOA = Superficial damage.
ZORO cuts with ACOA(Tatsumaki) and other attacks, while the fight was OFF. = Superficial.
Luffy Blows with ADCOC = causing recognizable damage.
Asura with ADCOC = Recognizable damage.
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Kaido never said Zoro has the same Ryou as Oden. Zoro directly implied he doesn't have ADCOA when Luffy hit Kaido with Red Rock. The scabbards were cutting Kaido like butter and none of them have ADCOA.
It was an inconsistency IMO like how Luffy is able to touch Kaido even when he was using ADCOA.
Coz she's also using COA?
It was an inconsistency IMO like how Luffy is able to touch Kaido even when he was using ADCOA.
Coz she's also using COA?
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The concept of ADCOA in swords was never explained, KAIDO even claimed it could be RYOU ... That is a fact, although they had Ryou to cut KAIDO, they had no firepower, so the attacks were classified as: Superficial, after TOGEN TOTSUKA combined.
KAIDO never claimed that they (samurai) did not have Ryou, just like Luffy, KAIDO acknowledged the damage done to him, as superficial, just like G4 Luffy with ACOA. Unless you are suggesting that ZORO was using the normal COA and cut off KAIDO, but I totally disagree, the normal COA does not work on KAIDO. If it worked well, Luffy would not have learned ACOA. And if a normal COA worked, Luffy wouldn't be using ADCOC.
KAIDO never claimed that they (samurai) did not have Ryou, just like Luffy, KAIDO acknowledged the damage done to him, as superficial, just like G4 Luffy with ACOA. Unless you are suggesting that ZORO was using the normal COA and cut off KAIDO, but I totally disagree, the normal COA does not work on KAIDO. If it worked well, Luffy would not have learned ACOA. And if a normal COA worked, Luffy wouldn't be using ADCOC.
So I take it you have no answer?
First things first, Ryou is just another name for the color of armament. It's not some advanced form of COA. Secondly, I am not quite sure I understand where you're getting at. Kaido presumed the scabbards are using Oden's Ryou which in this case is some advanced form of COA because they were able to damage him but it was never confirmed which form of advanced armament it is that they're using. On the other hand, We know for a fact that Zoro doesn't have ADCOA Stage-2 i.e., internal destruction based on the fact that he didn't recognize it when Luffy used it on Kaido. But still he managed to damage Kaido.
What doesn't that change? She's also using COC. In case, if you aren't getting it. COC can also hit without making contact. On a much better scale in fact. That's why Oda's been spamming it left and right as soon as he revealed the fact that COC can be infused in your attacks.
First things first, Ryou is just another name for the color of armament. It's not some advanced form of COA. Secondly, I am not quite sure I understand where you're getting at. Kaido presumed the scabbards are using Oden's Ryou which in this case is some advanced form of COA because they were able to damage him but it was never confirmed which form of advanced armament it is that they're using. On the other hand, We know for a fact that Zoro doesn't have ADCOA Stage-2 i.e., internal destruction based on the fact that he didn't recognize it when Luffy used it on Kaido. But still he managed to damage Kaido.
What doesn't that change? She's also using COC. In case, if you aren't getting it. COC can also hit without making contact. On a much better scale in fact. That's why Oda's been spamming it left and right as soon as he revealed the fact that COC can be infused in your attacks.
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As I said, the concept is different for swords, can a sword do internal damage without cutting?
Use the same Ryou from ODEN with a sword and not with a punch, but ... So, whatever ACOA the sheaths are using, ZORO also has it, because he cut KAIDO, as you suggested, it could be another variation of ACOA for swordsmen, and I agree with you, but it will always be stage 2, as we saw the basic COA of luffy after WCI, failing at KAIDO.
Use the same Ryou from ODEN with a sword and not with a punch, but ... So, whatever ACOA the sheaths are using, ZORO also has it, because he cut KAIDO, as you suggested, it could be another variation of ACOA for swordsmen, and I agree with you, but it will always be stage 2, as we saw the basic COA of luffy after WCI, failing at KAIDO.
I see no reason it works differently for different weapons aside from the obvious fact that the nature of attack determines the kind of damage being done. COA just amplifies whatever you use it with; it doesn't work differently for different users. If you use it with a sword, it cuts better and if you use it with a punch it hits harder.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said in my previous quote to you. It was advanced COA but we were never given the confirmation about which level of COA it was but we later learned that Zoro doesn't have internal destruction but he still managed to damage Kaido which could only mean that it was a barrier armament which Zoro clearly posses.
lmao thanks man. This is one panel I needed the most to prove my point.
@HA001 I guess COA is not needed to not touch things.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said in my previous quote to you. It was advanced COA but we were never given the confirmation about which level of COA it was but we later learned that Zoro doesn't have internal destruction but he still managed to damage Kaido which could only mean that it was a barrier armament which Zoro clearly posses.
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Luffy did not need COA to stop the KAIDO club without touching him.
@HA001 I guess COA is not needed to not touch things.