General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet

[Ravagerblade]

Don't worry I'm not like you wearing those questionable avys if that's what you were insinuating

It's OK, you assuming and trying to start something just makes you look the ass. Without even bothering to inform yourself.
Once again you show yourself beneath me.

 

[Raughtale]

Still haven’t heard a cohesive argument against Tama and Momo, since “They’re kids!” really doesn’t constitute a defense whatsoever. Already listed the (admittedly few) ways in which Tama could be useful on a ship, and as far as Momo, he should be much less of a sniveling asswipe by the end of this arc, and he’ll still have his quasi-Kaido DF powers as well as the Ame no Habakiri, so it’s also not beyond the realm of possibility that he could prove helpful in some ways. Don’t come at me like I’m saying they’re both guaranteed to join the crew because that’s obviously not what I’m doing, but if it’s not the age bias or personal distaste, I’m not seeing any good counterpoints for why they couldn’t be on the Thousand Sunny.

Anyone can be on the ship but in the case of Tama and Momo we have instances that point to them staying so that's why they're less likely than others.

Tama has had a few scenes about wanting to eat freely and see a better Wano and even had a moment with Luffy telling her he would make Wano that kind of place for her before he leaves, on Momo's side he recognizes he wants to be different from Oden but also seems more interested in helping Wano so making the same kind of journey his dad did seems less likely than staying and making the kind of Wano his father never could. All of that could be dismissed one way or another in the case they do join but the main point is that they do have reasons to stay beyond their age or usefulness.

 

[sorukingu]

If Gaimon had joined the crew 20+ years ago, the SHs would have found the One piece without timeskip and 2 weeks after entering the NW. Facts.

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Anyone can be on the ship but in the case of Tama and Momo we have instances that point to them staying so that's why they're less likely than others.

Tama has had a few scenes about wanting to eat freely and see a better Wano and even had a moment with Luffy telling her he would make Wano that kind of place for her before he leaves, on Momo's side he recognizes he wants to be different from Oden but also seems more interested in helping Wano so making the same kind of journey his dad did seems less likely than staying and making the kind of Wano his father never could. All of that could be dismissed one way or another in the case they do join but the main point is that they do have reasons to stay beyond their age or usefulness.

Yes, obviously there are more realistic candidates, I don’t know why you feel the need to point this out to someone who’s acknowledged that fact a million times. The point I was making is that there ARE good reasons for them to join Luffy’s crew; some people here are acting like it wouldn’t make any sense at all, as if logic has always been the guiding principle in a series about people eating magical fruits and beating the shit out of each other.

 

[Raughtale]

Yes, obviously there are more realistic candidates, I don’t know why you feel the need to point this out to someone who’s acknowledged that fact a million times. The point I was making is that there ARE good reasons for them to join Luffy’s crew; some people here are acting like it wouldn’t make any sense at all, as if logic has always been the guiding principle in a series about people eating magical fruits and beating the shit out of each other.

I only replied because I took at face value that you had only seen ''they're just kids'' as an argument, never mind then.

 

[Sheer D. Lusion]

Law is just like Luffy's Oden he wants to know about the Will of D. and he can do that only if he accompany Luffy and Robin.Just like Oden accompanied Roger , to know about the Poneglyphs and the role of the Kozuki.
Momo and Tama are like Shanks and Buggy. Tama wanted to sail with Ace and Ace promised her if she became a Ninja he will take her with him . she became now and Luffy will fulfill Aces promise just like with Yamato too.
Momo has a power that Luffy will need at the end , and he will be save if he accompanied Luffy. since i think he is an ancient weapon like shirahoshi

chopper: doctor of the strawhats pirates
law: other doctor of the strawhat pirates

 

[thedarkdragon11]

Where are the Batman4Nakama guys?

 

[Ravagerblade]

Where are the Batman4Nakama guys?

 

[Jew D. Boy]

Where are the Batman4Nakama guys?

In Hell, where they belong

 

[Sigran101]

Regarding Law, for those of you who don't think he will join, how do you think he will find out the meaning of the will of D? The Strawhats are certainly not going to tell him given how much Luffy values the secret of Raftel, and the only way he's getting there himself is on the pirate king's ship. I keep hearing that he would never abandon his crew, but Franky abandoned the Franky Family and Jinbei abandoned the Sun pirates (who he went through a lot more with than Law did with his crew), and I think if it becomes clear that Luffy will be the pirate king and joining him is the only way to achieve his dream, Law's crew would give their blessing just like the Franky Family and the Sun pirates. I just can't see Law calling himself Luffy's rival anymore if he really does 1v1 Kaido. At a certain point it's just delusional.

 

[Kurodiamondo]

Regarding Law, for those of you who don't think he will join, how do you think he will find out the meaning of the will of D? The Strawhats are certainly not going to tell him given how much Luffy values the secret of Raftel, and the only way he's getting there himself is on the pirate king's ship. I keep hearing that he would never abandon his crew, but Franky abandoned the Franky Family and Jinbei abandoned the Sun pirates (who he went through a lot more with than Law did with his crew), and I think if it becomes clear that Luffy will be the pirate king and joining him is the only way to achieve his dream, Law's crew would give their blessing just like the Franky Family and the Sun pirates. I just can't see Law calling himself Luffy's rival anymore if he really does 1v1 Kaido. At a certain point it's just delusional.

Isnt heart pirate simply going to raftel with SHs?

 

[vikas]

As long as oda doesn't segregate SH's story/journey apart from other characters I would say having a new Nakama is redundant. Like who knows Law might actually just travel till the end with his crew.

 

[Garp the Fist]

I’ve seen some people say that Luffy is completely against children joining him, because Shanks declined to invite due to him being a child, though I don’t think that should obligate Luffy even though he looks up to Shanks.

It’s not just that Shanks did it, but that one of the main lessons that Luffy himself learned in chapter one was that Shanks was right and the sea is too dangerous a place for someone who can’t properly protect themself. It’s not “I won’t let kids onto my ship cause Shanks said so”, it’s “I realised as an eight year old (same age as Momo and Tama) that the sea is no place for someone who can’t protect themselves.”

Ace also said the same thing to Tama when he rejected her, that a pirate had to be strong. I don’t think ”relying on animals to fight for you“ is what he meant by that.

Tama and Momo both are needing to be protected right now because they can’t fight by themselves. Tama’s schitck is that she gets animals to do her fighting for her because she can’t actually fight. Momo has been training, but we’ve yet to see anything that suggests he’s not still just at a kid’s level in strength.

I can see Luffy promising to take them to sea one day or even doing something vaguely Shanks like and inspiring them to do it themselves in the future, but as the two are right now- if the message of chapter one is consistent- they can’t go with the Strawhats.

Regarding Law, for those of you who don't think he will join, how do you think he will find out the meaning of the will of D? The Strawhats are certainly not going to tell him given how much Luffy values the secret of Raftel, and the only way he's getting there himself is on the pirate king's ship. I keep hearing that he would never abandon his crew, but Franky abandoned the Franky Family and Jinbei abandoned the Sun pirates (who he went through a lot more with than Law did with his crew), and I think if it becomes clear that Luffy will be the pirate king and joining him is the only way to achieve his dream, Law's crew would give their blessing just like the Franky Family and the Sun pirates. I just can't see Law calling himself Luffy's rival anymore if he really does 1v1 Kaido. At a certain point it's just delusional.

I’m not sure why you think that Robin’s dream entails perpetuating the status quo and keeping the truth about the Will of D and the Void Century hidden from the world. That’s the exact opposite message you should take from Clover and the others being executed in Ohara. Everyone in the world is going to know the truths of Laugh Tale, Robin’s not going to complete her life’s work and just... not tell anyone about it.

But for Law specifically, he can simply come along with them to Laugh Tale if he wants. It’s not that big a deal, Law’s like Vivi in that Luffy and the others consider him a member of their crew (not just friends, but actual crewmate). He’s just tsundere about it and he’ll never accept being an actual Strawhat, but the bonds between Law and the crew are strong enough that if he was to ask to come along so he can see the truth, without being a Strawhat, then he will. Oden, after all, was only “on loan“ to the Roger Pirates from Whitebeard.

 

[Sigran101]

It’s not just that Shanks did it, but that one of the main lessons that Luffy himself learned in chapter one was that Shanks was right and the sea is too dangerous a place for someone who can’t properly protect themself. It’s not “I won’t let kids onto my ship cause Shanks said so”, it’s “I realised as an eight year old (same age as Momo and Tama) that the sea is no place for someone who can’t protect themselves.”

Ace also said the same thing to Tama when he rejected her, that a pirate had to be strong. I don’t think ”relying on animals to fight for you“ is what he meant by that.

Tama and Momo both are needing to be protected right now because they can’t fight by themselves. Tama’s schitck is that she gets animals to do her fighting for her because she can’t actually fight. Momo has been training, but we’ve yet to see anything that suggests he’s not still just at a kid’s level in strength.

I can see Luffy promising to take them to sea one day or even doing something vaguely Shanks like and inspiring them to do it themselves in the future, but as the two are right now- if the message of chapter one is consistent- they can’t go with the Strawhats.



I’m not sure why you think that Robin’s dream entails perpetuating the status quo and keeping the truth about the Will of D and the Void Century hidden from the world. That’s the exact opposite message you should take from Clover and the others being executed in Ohara. Everyone in the world is going to know the truths of Laugh Tale, Robin’s not going to complete her life’s work and just... not tell anyone about it.

But for Law specifically, he can simply come along with them to Laugh Tale if he wants. It’s not that big a deal, Law’s like Vivi in that Luffy and the others consider him a member of their crew (not just friends, but actual crewmate). He’s just tsundere about it and he’ll never accept being an actual Strawhat, but the bonds between Law and the crew are strong enough that if he was to ask to come along so he can see the truth, without being a Strawhat, then he will. Oden, after all, was only “on loan“ to the Roger Pirates from Whitebeard.

If Robin simply wants to expose the truth, why did she refuse to have Rayleigh tell her the secret of the void century when he offered? She values the secret just like Luffy. Likewise, I have a hard time seeing Luffy just bring along a crew that didn't find their own way there. I also have a hard time seeing Law accepting that level of charity from someone who's supposed to be his rival. If one of the arguments against him joining is that he has ambition of his own and wouldn't bow down to Luffy, than him accepting a free pass to Raftel from his competition is a hard sell.

 

[Garp the Fist]

If Robin simply wants to expose the truth, why did she refuse to have Rayleigh tell her the secret of the void century when he offered?

Because she couldn’t do anything with the information at that time and might come to a different conclusion than the Roger Pirates over what the truth means.

It’s nothing to do with “valuing secrets.” That’s solely on Luffy not wanting his own journey to be boring. That’s the exact opposite of what Clover and Ohara wanted, to let all of mankind discover the past and make their own opinions on what happened in the Void Century

I also have a hard time seeing Law accepting that level of charity from someone who's supposed to be his rival.

He let his supposed rival defeat his lifelong mortal foe Doflamingo for him.

 

[Sigran101]

Because she couldn’t do anything with the information at that time and might come to a different conclusion than the Roger Pirates over what the truth means.

It’s nothing to do with “valuing secrets.” That’s solely on Luffy not wanting his own journey to be boring. That’s the exact opposite of what Clover and Ohara wanted, to let all of mankind discover the past and make their own opinions on what happened in the Void Century

He let his supposed rival defeat his lifelong mortal foe Doflamingo for him.

Fair enough on the Robin part, though that does not mean she will spread the meaning of the will of D, but to be fair on the second part, Law never planned on actually fighting Doflamingo, he was just going to have Kaido do it. When that failed, they fought him together. Law was out of commission halfway through and couldn't do anything about it. Also, I really think it would seem odd for the culmination of the dream of such an important character to just be that someone tells him. What kind of resolution is that?

 

[Sheer D. Lusion]

Regarding Law, for those of you who don't think he will join, how do you think he will find out the meaning of the will of D? The Strawhats are certainly not going to tell him given how much Luffy values the secret of Raftel, and the only way he's getting there himself is on the pirate king's ship. I keep hearing that he would never abandon his crew, but Franky abandoned the Franky Family and Jinbei abandoned the Sun pirates (who he went through a lot more with than Law did with his crew), and I think if it becomes clear that Luffy will be the pirate king and joining him is the only way to achieve his dream, Law's crew would give their blessing just like the Franky Family and the Sun pirates. I just can't see Law calling himself Luffy's rival anymore if he really does 1v1 Kaido. At a certain point it's just delusional.

oda planned the strawhat pirates early. he changed the designs but he had the crew planned before he started

oda said he hadn't planned any of the sn and created them to make shabondy last longer. later he said he was surprised law became a relevant character because he didn't had plans for him but had for kid.

if law joins it means oda changed his plans for the crew just because law is popular.

 

[Sigran101]

oda planned the strawhat pirates early. he changed the designs but he had the crew planned before he started

oda said he hadn't planned any of the sn and created them to make shabondy last longer. later he said he was surprised law became a relevant character because he didn't had plans for him but had for kid.

if law joins it means oda changed his plans for the crew just because law is popular.

Oda seems to have changed plans anyway. There was a character in the concept art that wasn't used at all, and you really can't call the concept art shipwright the same character as Franky. He's also stated that the fishman in the concept art isn't Jinbei. It's been over 2 decades, so I think it's reasonable if he's made some changes in that time.

 

[TEACH D TEACH]

oda planned the strawhat pirates early. he changed the designs but he had the crew planned before he started

oda said he hadn't planned any of the sn and created them to make shabondy last longer. later he said he was surprised law became a relevant character because he didn't had plans for him but had for kid.

if law joins it means oda changed his plans for the crew just because law is popular.

He didnt plan the supernova as a group to be that, but he might have planned some in different roles and later changed them into supernova. Like, where would Robin come from if he didnt plan the shichibukai from the start? Or Brook? He planned the SHs before im sure, and later figured out where and how in the story to use them. Maybe its the same with Law, his concept was planned before and then Oda used the supernova to sneak him in.

I mean the guy went to Marineford to save Luffy, he was there with Hancock (i think she has great chances as well) and Jinbe when his crew wasnt. Then from the start of the NW we have him present. He even got a character arc, flashback, and was kinda 'saved'. Doesent seem like a character Oda just came up with on the fly to make an arc less boring

 

[Sky]

I want both Yamato and carrot...but I guess carrot will join the grand fleet

So Yamato.