Character Discussion I feel like Kaido got the short end of the stick when it comes to the Yonko's despite all the hype and build up
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Kaido is not really a villain. He is an amalgamation of random and generic villain traits who’s roll in the story is to elevate Luffy to Yonko level . He is not a villain, he is not a character, he’s not even a person really: he is just a sentient plot device.
Oda could’ve accomplished the same thing he is trying to accomplish with Kaido, by introducing this really big rock that no pirate has ever been able to lift, and then having Luffy lift the rock. Kaido does not have any focus or personality because he isn’t meant to be a real character, just a stepping stone for Luffy and nothing more. No other villain in One Piece could’ve been replaced in this manner, every other arc conflict was built around the motivations and character of its villain. For example, Crocodile’s plot to conquer Alabasta. Replace Crocodile with a heavy rock, and the entire conflict of Alabasta falls apart. The rock would not be able to construct such a delicate plan to conquer a WG affiliated Kingdom from the shadows. With Kaido, you can replace him with any generic lifeless strength-measuring device and the story to Wano does not change much.
Did Kaido get shafted? Absolutely. His character had a lot of potential back in 795 before Oda flushed it down the toilet, and it really is a shame because his introduction in a vacuum was awesome. But instead, Oda decided to make Wano about Oden and Orochi instead of Kaido.
Kaido is easily Oda’s worst villain and an F-Tier character. I do not think Oda has ever written a more generic, forgettable, and low quality character than Kaido. Half of his lines of dialogue are so pathetic that I almost vomit when I read them.
“These brats...so strong!!”
“I’m actually taking damage..this is fun!!”
“This brat injured me...how is this possible??!!”<-Kaido states after Luffy used literally the exact same Haki against him that the scabbards did (??)
“When you’re having fun, you smile!!”
Yeah I have nothing remotely good to say about Kaido. He is complete trash and is the central reason that OP has been an F-Tier manga lately.
Oda could’ve accomplished the same thing he is trying to accomplish with Kaido, by introducing this really big rock that no pirate has ever been able to lift, and then having Luffy lift the rock. Kaido does not have any focus or personality because he isn’t meant to be a real character, just a stepping stone for Luffy and nothing more. No other villain in One Piece could’ve been replaced in this manner, every other arc conflict was built around the motivations and character of its villain. For example, Crocodile’s plot to conquer Alabasta. Replace Crocodile with a heavy rock, and the entire conflict of Alabasta falls apart. The rock would not be able to construct such a delicate plan to conquer a WG affiliated Kingdom from the shadows. With Kaido, you can replace him with any generic lifeless strength-measuring device and the story to Wano does not change much.
Did Kaido get shafted? Absolutely. His character had a lot of potential back in 795 before Oda flushed it down the toilet, and it really is a shame because his introduction in a vacuum was awesome. But instead, Oda decided to make Wano about Oden and Orochi instead of Kaido.
Kaido is easily Oda’s worst villain and an F-Tier character. I do not think Oda has ever written a more generic, forgettable, and low quality character than Kaido. Half of his lines of dialogue are so pathetic that I almost vomit when I read them.
“These brats...so strong!!”
“I’m actually taking damage..this is fun!!”
“This brat injured me...how is this possible??!!”<-Kaido states after Luffy used literally the exact same Haki against him that the scabbards did (??)
“When you’re having fun, you smile!!”
Yeah I have nothing remotely good to say about Kaido. He is complete trash and is the central reason that OP has been an F-Tier manga lately.
Like i actually didn't really care for BMs character until her Elbaf flashback. She was massively elevated once we found out she ate the kids, granted yes she's been a joke with O Lin lol
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KAIDO I LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Who is KAIDO o MR TOP 1? For the blind, it is light.
For the hungry, it's bread.
For the thirsty, it is the source of water.
For the dead, it is life.
For the sick, it is the cure.
For the prisoner, it is freedom.
For the loner, it is the companion.
For the traveler, it is the way.
For me, it's all.
WORORORORORO!!!
OMOSHIROIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII HATERS.
OMOSHIROIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII HATERS.
The character ould easily be more complex but clearly Oda wants him to be focus on one thing and that's strength.
But its strange seeing threads like these, usually people complain about characters having too much personality example Big Mom. If she had Kaido's trait the strawhats would have been dead from wci
But its strange seeing threads like these, usually people complain about characters having too much personality example Big Mom. If she had Kaido's trait the strawhats would have been dead from wci
For the folk saying "Wait and see his backstory", the fact that he needs a flashback to make him even remotely interesting, respectable or enjoyable in any way, already shows how bad he is as a character.
A reader should anticipate a character's flashback because the author has made the character interesting enough for the reader to be invested in the character's backstory, not because the backstory is the only thing that might make a character interesting.
Look at how how much people love and enjoy Crocodile. The man has done nothing in over a decade and he still polls at the Top 20 in Popularity. Nobody ever needed a backstory for this character to enjoy him.
Other villainous characters are in a similar situation of being popular despite having either no backstory at all or a minimalistic backstory such as Enel or Lucci.
Then we have characters like Doflamingo and Katakuri who were loved by the fandom before their respective backstories were revealed. Cause folk were already invested in those two characters, they were invested in their backstories.
If anybody is still unconvinced then I can whip out a character that readers generally lost their investment in and whose backstory did not help them at all.
Linlin. Over the past two popularity polls, she has consistently remained at the high 80s mark. Her backstory did not help her at all in terms of making her more enjoyable, likeable or respectable in any way as a character.
Likewise, a backstory is unlikely to change Kaido's poor standing amongst the fandom due to overall lack of reader investment.
I sincerely doubt that Kaido will ever crack the Top 60 in the Popularity Polls.
A reader should anticipate a character's flashback because the author has made the character interesting enough for the reader to be invested in the character's backstory, not because the backstory is the only thing that might make a character interesting.
Look at how how much people love and enjoy Crocodile. The man has done nothing in over a decade and he still polls at the Top 20 in Popularity. Nobody ever needed a backstory for this character to enjoy him.
Other villainous characters are in a similar situation of being popular despite having either no backstory at all or a minimalistic backstory such as Enel or Lucci.
Then we have characters like Doflamingo and Katakuri who were loved by the fandom before their respective backstories were revealed. Cause folk were already invested in those two characters, they were invested in their backstories.
If anybody is still unconvinced then I can whip out a character that readers generally lost their investment in and whose backstory did not help them at all.
Linlin. Over the past two popularity polls, she has consistently remained at the high 80s mark. Her backstory did not help her at all in terms of making her more enjoyable, likeable or respectable in any way as a character.
Likewise, a backstory is unlikely to change Kaido's poor standing amongst the fandom due to overall lack of reader investment.
I sincerely doubt that Kaido will ever crack the Top 60 in the Popularity Polls.
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I will admit that Pero, Jack and Queen are far better villains imo than King or Kaido at this time. All of them are way better characterized in general.
I do understand that Kings' mysterious background may be contributing to why he's just not as "good" imo, but he also doesn't have the benefit of having big presence at Zo or Udon like Jack and Queen did.
Idk, I do hope their fight and flashbacks elevate King and Kaido, but we'll see
I do understand that Kings' mysterious background may be contributing to why he's just not as "good" imo, but he also doesn't have the benefit of having big presence at Zo or Udon like Jack and Queen did.
Idk, I do hope their fight and flashbacks elevate King and Kaido, but we'll see
No thats big mom the one who was overshadowed by her own son even in the popularity poll people showed that she is the worst emperor and it is funny when people ask more from Kaido as if other villains like Doflamingo and Enel were different 
they took over Dressrosa and Skypeia then they got defeated.
the thing is some people hated Kaido since his introduction because they thought their favourite character was the strongest
I remember when they laughed at Kaido when the scabbards attacked him then they kept their mouth shut when he destroyed them
they took over Dressrosa and Skypeia then they got defeated.the thing is some people hated Kaido since his introduction because they thought their favourite character was the strongest
I remember when they laughed at Kaido when the scabbards attacked him then they kept their mouth shut when he destroyed them
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