Character Discussion Why Zoro is a horrible character

[BleakAsh]

Yeah seriously wtf

Luffy is generic but he’s definitely not bland

name me one protagonist that is as air headed but has iron cald wits

 

[Shuyaku]

People who don't like Zoro.Do they like others character like law or katakuri?
Or do they like any others character from others shonen who are just like him.Ex:Erza,Vegeta,Sasuke.....

Vegeta is nothing like Zoro.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

name me one protagonist that is as air headed but has iron cald wits

that is the archetype for a lot shonen protagonist

but to reduce luffy to that is......
goku
naruto
sakuragi hanamichi
from the ones I have seen.

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Vegeta is nothing like Zoro.

yeah sasuke isnt like zoro either
maybe sasuke as an adult when he matured and got over that rivalry complex
became more of a support system than a possible antagonist.

 

[BleakAsh]

that is the archetype for a lot shonen protagonist

but to reduce luffy to that is......
goku
naruto
sakuragi hanamichi
from the ones I have seen.

none of them are as air headed as Luffy..

luffy is relatively pretty unique ..

its just way he deals with difficulties, the worth he puts to others, and the variations of his emotions makes the nuance that separates them from other.


you can say that the concept of his character is to be as enthusiastic as other protagonists but his demeanor is fundamentally different...

 

[Gyro The God]

name me one protagonist that is as air headed but has iron cald wits

You can be as delusional as you like but
Luffy is not unique at all
He’s the typical generic shonen main character
Like goku naruto asta natsu etc.....

 

[Doggo]

none of them are as air headed as Luffy..

luffy is relatively pretty unique ..

its just way he deals with difficulties, the worth he puts to others, and the variations of his emotions makes the nuance that separates them from other.


you can say that the concept of his character is to be as enthusiastic as other protagonists but his demeanor is fundamentally different...

Yoh Asakura from Shaman King.
Luffy takes the more "energetic child", while Yoh is more "chill".
But they are basically the same thing.
Even freaking Manta is the "Coby" of the series. The initial Luffy-Coby and "Yoh-Manta" interaction is the same.
SK came after, though.

 

[Gyro The God]

that is the archetype for a lot shonen protagonist

but to reduce luffy to that is......
goku
naruto
sakuragi hanamichi
from the ones I have seen.
.

Please don’t bring the tensai into this shit

 

[Charlotte Sky]

everything has an initial development phase before it meets its designated place/fate .. zoro too surely deserved to be on the roof top and the arc is kinda centered around him and the huge jump in power he just had.. and from him reciprocating the town folk's anguish he mustered the intention to bring down kaido.. and along with that plot came enma as the SOLE source zoro had atm to even cut Kaido in the first place.So what oda has been doing is exponentially progress zoro for his future encounter with Mihawk but with that his character has been progressing as well. and just coz zoro said he wants to cut Kaido into pieces doesn't make him certainly the one who brings him down as he just mentioned "Luffy figured something and he will win"

Now as the right hand of luffy he ought to be up there as a SN as well.. you can't blame oda that "OMG YOU HAVE MONEY FETISH BITCH THATS WHY ZORO ENDED UP ON THE ROOF" no this is a weak opinion.. it has all been set up from the beginning of wano where zoro has been independent for the most part and has been comprehending scenarios and making decisions, a personal time u may say.

So now zoro gets on the roof and he utilizes his power to full extent, we get to gauge how strong he has gotten after post time skip and what enma can do and see zoro's potential with enma so after the rooftop events his fanbase got something to wank over and they sure did wank it dry...all this bias BS about zoro on shot'in YC and all that exaggerated crap is what his (zoro's) shallow and desperate fan base comes up with which has 0 sense of reason or logic entailing it.. you can't honestly blame oda for the fact that zoro's fan base's majority are this unreasonable and adrenalin driven

Now even if you argue that Oda has a bias for zoro, he'd still know better than to blight his story to make a certain character rise above others.. Oda won't do that coz he knows what gradual progression is and its logical.. people who think zoro is going to fight king in his sorry state after he recuperates in a MATTER OF HOURS, BRUH he has 30 broken bones for lord's sake mate.. how would that even make sense it would straight up be nonsensical and a desperate attempt to show zoro off.. whilst ignoring the same development for other SHP, it would ruin his characterization . plus oda would know better to make zoro fight this trivial and underwhelming fight after making him do what he did on the roof.... and still is logically inconceivable even from a narrative stand point .


So in a nutshell if you see zoro's fans drooling over and desperately trying to show zoro off with their BS... don't take it as oda using zoro for $$.. the popularity poll is a great way to gauge how fair oda has been

1st) Luffy has got consistent gradual development every as a captain and a nakama every arc and is a great character who deserves that spot

2nd) Zoro, a 🐐 most of us Love for who he is and his ideals.

3rd) Nami, fan service, and a consistent character wise (you can actually blame oda for being a pervert for making nami )

4TH) SANJI THE GOAT, has his whole posttime skip dedicated to his character and his ideals, great character from within.. he's a classic tho he hasn't been done justice as a combatant him coming 4th is a cue unsatisfactory form many fans due to that and he as a character and combatant hasn't been holistically covered yet.

So in conclusion regardless of oda's "bias" zoro's character comes second to the MC and the runner-ups aren't even that far behind.. so Oda's mature enough to be maintain the consistency of his characters development wise and logically speaking as well, you can just ignore the BS zoro's fanbase spews honestly and try to comprehend zoro as a character and as someone with iron clad ideals... look zoro from the same light you'd look at your fav character from so that way you'd be doing justice to his character..

Zoro is an awesomesauce of a character with alot of depth to him... tyt (take ur time) and understand him and don't get your opinions of him get tainted by the bias BS his fanclub spews.. explore every aspect of him so that you know that you have understood him enough to shuv other's exaggerated and childish opinions under the rug.

Just because something was set up doesn’t make it good writing. Big mom hunger pangs were set up early in the arc but I think everyone agrees that it was trash writing.

 

[BleakAsh]

Naruto : is sensitive to opinions and is more articulate and complex where luffy is simple but gets complex as situations unfold.. luffy take pride in what he want to achieve so does naruto but he doesn't let it get to him when he gets criticized

Goku: idk but conceptually the same cas like luffy... again but is articulate and isn't that nonchalant and easy going as Luffy who as reciprocates without showing or opening up to others and doesn't justify and reason like naruto or goku would.. he would just pursue the person he wants... in conjunction with his captaincy that provides a unique nuance



luffy provides nuances that separate him from other..

all of them are different when it comes to how they deal with things.. they have similarities but nuances that separate them from other characters that are based on the same concept

 

[Doggo]

that is the archetype for a lot shonen protagonist

but to reduce luffy to that is......
goku
naruto
sakuragi hanamichi
from the ones I have seen.

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yeah sasuke isnt like zoro either
maybe sasuke as an adult when he matured and got over that rivalry complex
became more of a support system than a possible antagonist.

Sakuragi looks way more like Sanji, ngl.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

none of them are as air headed as Luffy..

luffy is relatively pretty unique ..

its just way he deals with difficulties, the worth he puts to others, and the variations of his emotions makes the nuance that separates them from other.


you can say that the concept of his character is to be as enthusiastic as other protagonists but his demeanor is fundamentally different...

uh
they are as air headed ........ maybe even worse

Please don’t bring the tensai into this shit

why not lmao

 

[BleakAsh]

Just because something was set up doesn’t make it good writing. Big mom hunger pangs were set up early in the arc but I think everyone agrees that it was trash writing.

sure but does that makes zoro a shit character? how is zoro even related to it

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Sakuragi looks way more like Sanji, ngl.

because he is a simp
as far as sanji's kindness
and intelligence
sakuragi is far from it.

 

[BleakAsh]

uh
they are as air headed ........ maybe even worse

why not lmao

they aren't as consistent as Luffy thats the point.. again conceptually they might be same but their demeanor varies and they way they deal with things

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

they aren't as consistent as Luffy thats the point.. again conceptually they might be same but their demeanor varies and they way they deal with things

its as consistent
in school he was an idiot
has always been an idiot
he became the hokage through determination and will.


I never argued their demeanour was the exact same
you said name one shonen protagonist that is air headed and has an unshakable will
I gave you 3 . the point is
luffy is more than just that but that part of him isnt unique.

 

[Charlotte Sky]

Meanwhile Big Mom effortlessly out-clowns Buggy even though she's supposed to be a serious character

Why bring big mom to this ?

LinLin is better character then zoro by miles...it’s not even close. Her immersive depths, her uniqueness, her themes etc

take the clowning aside and shit treatment of her characterization lately and she outclasses zoro in every category.

 

[BleakAsh]

Naruto : is sensitive to opinions and is more articulate and complex where luffy is simple but gets complex as situations unfold.. luffy take pride in what he want to achieve so does naruto but he doesn't let it get to him when he gets criticized

Goku: idk but conceptually the same cas like luffy... again but is articulate and isn't that nonchalant and easy going as Luffy.


luffy provides nuances that separate him from other..

all of them are different when it comes to how the deal with things.. they have similarities but nuances that separate then from other characters that are based on the same concept

Luffy's pride is him reckoning if something is worth his attention and his care for his friends.. which in turn describes and words hand in hand with his captaincy.

luffy's demeanor and ideology is fundamentally different. he reminds me of naruto but i can spot nuances that make him different..

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its as consistent
in school he was an idiot
has always been an idiot
he bwcame the hokage through determination and will.


I never argued their demeanour was the exact same
you said name one shonen protagonist that is air headed and has an unshakable will
I gave you 3 . the point is
luffy is more than just that but that part of him isnt unique.

yea true i conceded.. but ig i mentioned too little

 

[Gyro The God]

why not lmao

First of all because slam dunk is a masterpiece
And one piece is a hot garbage (post time skip)

And second of all because
sakuragi is a great character with great development and unique as a shonen main character for example , sakuragi is violent if you even looked at him funny he would beat your ass , he’s not a good guy or a hero for the people, he’s a normal teenager, he is not all about friendship, doesn’t go through power ups out of nowhere, he goes through the motions very slowly which makes his development very real. Doesn’t achieve his dreams like all the shonen mcs do . Still way below his rival even at the end of the series unlike the rest of the shonen mcs .

While luffy like I said is the generic shonen mc
Eats alot
Dumb beyond belief
Always Energetic
Wants to protect his friends and cares about friendship
Power ups out of nowhere
Etc.....

 

[Doggo]

because he is a simp
as far as sanji's kindness
and intelligence
sakuragi is far from it.

Sanji and Sakuragi are actually smart.
Usually overshadowed by gags.
simp.
has a gag rivalry against someone who initially doesnt give a shit about him, it's "stronger" than him, but then joins the gag rivalry as well (rukawa).

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Sanji and Sakuragi are actually smart.
Usually overshadowed by gags.
simp.
has a gag rivalry against someone who initially doesnt give a shit about him, it's "stronger" than him, but then joins the gag rivalry as well (rukawa).

hmm
I guess that part is similar
also gives naruto sasuke vibes

yeah sanji is smart
I dont think sakuragi is that smart tho he calls himself a genius
who are we to doubt that

am still on ep 50 tho